Someone posted up a detail of how much various actions weigh a while back.

Can't find it.

Could someone repost that?

Thanks (probably oughta be a sticky or something...)

Go to www.brownprecision.com and click on "Selecting Components".

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Got it.

Thanks!

Figure I'll post it up, jfsag....

The following weights of full actions (bolt, guard screws, trigger guard magazine liner, trigger assembly, recoil lugs, follower and spring) - everything except the barrel, stock, scope and mounts.
Remington 700 short ADL ............. 2 lbs. 3.5 oz
Remington 700 short BDL ............. 2 lbs. 4 oz
Remington 700 long ADL .............. 2 lbs. 6.5 oz
Remington 700 long BDL .............. 2 lbs. 7 oz
Remington 600 ....................... 1 lbs. 15 oz
Remington 788 long (.243, .308) ..... 2 lbs. 11 oz
Remington 7.......................... 2 lbs. 2 oz
Mauser Mark X ....................... 2 lbs. 15 oz
Sako medium (current production) .... 2 lbs. 5 oz
Sako long ........................... 2 lbs. 13 oz
Ruger short dovetail receiver ....... 2 lbs. 6 oz
Ruger long dovetail receiver ........ 2 lbs. 8.5 oz
Weatherby Model 70 post-64 .......... 2 lbs. 13 oz
Weatherby Mark V .................... 3 lbs. 3 oz.

Kinda new at this,didn't how to post it and wifeys gone. Your welcome.

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So, if the Ti action is about 5 oz. lighter than it's CM/SS counterpart, that'd make the SA Ti about 1 lbs. 15 oz., and the LA ti about 2 lbs. 2 oz., at least in BDL form....

Figure that at least 2-3 oz. of that weight savings is from the fluting (BT/DT), the Ti receiver don't save much, it would appear.

Hmmmmmm..... a 600 action, fluted, would come in at about 28-29 oz., as would a 700 SA fluted with a lightweight shroud..... hmmmm.....

hat are you thinking about, curious minds want to know? LOL

Trying (for one thing) to figure how woofer got that rifle of his so damned light....

Trying to figure out what Woofer does is futile, LOL

This thread really makes the argument for the NULA rifles...

Here is a few more:

g33/40 and husky small rings about 40 oz and the Browning SR FN 98 at 38oz

In my note I've have the Rem TI long at 8oz lighter than its counterpart. 31oz vs. 39oz and the model 600 at 31oz, too.

for what my notes are worth...

I just wish I new which Ruger model Brown weighed for that little table...

I have a complete Rem 700 Ti SA (bolt, 3 screws, trigger guard, mag box, screw for mag box, spring and follower, trigger assembly, recoil lug)

weighs in at 25oz complete

So a long TI would be about an ounce or so more, say, for that 1/2" more receiver wall??

Sound right?

VA,

How light are you trying to go in your mind?

Something about those advertised weights with ADL vs BDL...I'm thinking the hinged floorplate on a BDL makes a fair difference in the weight between the two.

I've weighed ADL and BDL's years ago, I'm sure their buried soemwhere in my notes.

I thought the fluted bolt was only good for an ounce at most?

Casey

Spiral flute on a LA only saved me .75 oz. heavy, deep flutes, just like factory Ti

Got this weight savings from Kampfeld Customs via a bolt flute on a LA 700, even after adding a hunter knob to the bolt:

Thanks for posting the action weights. I've seen that list a half dozen times and never saved it. I will now!!!

Don

Edit to add. CAS posted before that the Remington 700 Ti actions weigh 4 ounces less than the standard Steel actions.

Interesting. Would have thought the Rugers would ahve been heavier than that.

Gents:

I think I remeber seeing it on the Remington site that the LA TI was an 8oz saving--but can't be sure--the past is a fog.

But that doesn't square with the other posts above.

Has anyone ever weighed a TI long action?

I can't see unscrewing a barrel to find out

I have wondered what the vanguard actions weigh. They even have a lightened action that I wonder how much it really is lightened.

Tom,

I saw that too, but when I asked the question here on 24HourCampfire, CAS said that he weighed them and found the Ti's weighed 4 oz less. I believe CAS... Somehow I got the idea that the weight Remington claimed included MORE than just the action.

Don

Hey DMB--good day for hanging close to the wood stove...

I think I caught that post, too....not disbelieving CAS, it just that we have quite a range here--maybe missing something in the comparison.

Fosteology coming in at 25oz is quite a spread.

woofer

off the postal scale....

1#15oz remmy short CM. bolt complete. with lug, trigger and follower/spring.

3.2oz adl t/g (alloy) screws and box

3.8oz bdl t/g with screw and saum box (i didn't have a reg bdl box and remember that the saum boxes have the entire sides cut out)

my spare long was shipped last week and i ain't breakin' the 7 down

the contour on the 7 barrel is sick. and dont forget the callahan f/p ass.... the stock has not been bedded and wears no paint. i am really wanting to slab the action sides to see how far i can go. i am milling the bolt for more weight loss for sure. doubt i will flute it though...

i know the 7's aren't even close in popularity to the 700s but they should be. if weight is a concern a youth model wearing a bansner would be very close to 5# if not under. now that is a 20" tube but big deal.. if a 22" is perfect for a 06' case in a mountain rig the 20 will do absolutely ok in an 08' dress....

FWIW

woofer

if you get a chance to put them (7 vs 700) side by side it is 1/2 of metal in the action. not the tang either.. the full circumference. i dont know what that sliver weighs but my guess is a good bit when splitting hairs......

woofer

To add to the confusion, here is a quote I had pasted in my notes when I was pondering TIs at some point in time--but I sure don't know who wrote it--am sure it wasn't my wife.

"IIRC.......The Ti action that I used for my 284 started at about 28 oz in ADL form. With tubbs pin, alloy guard, alloy shroud and Wyatt's box, it came in around 24 or so. After some machine work it ended at about 20 oz. By comparison, the 600 that I used for my 6.5x284 ended at about 20 oz. as well. (There was much more agressive machine work done on that one"

Sound familiar??

Woofer: FWIW, also had this "steel weighs .29# per cubic inch" ...which be about a shade under 5oz. So a wild ass guess would be a 1/2" longer CM action would be 2-3oz?

That may very well have came from JimF who, unfortunately, doesn't post here much anymore...

was jimf. he was poppin' very cool stuff. IIRC that 6.5 was around 5.5# scoped he fluted the #1 or #2 tube.. sick stuff... he was my hero

those 7's are a really cheap way to get the weight off for free... if i get the chance i would like to weigh one with simple mods done and the alloy parts swapped... dont forget also my 7 was weighed with a alloy 700 t/g.. there is a difference there also....

enjoy

woofer

should have said this earlier--

if you use steel bottom metal with the FN Browning small rings or the Husky, you would be adding another 3oz or so to the total weight depending on how much contouring was done.

so the lightest Mauser 98s would be the VZ33/G33 as they have some milling to lighten the actions.

Some of the fancy aftermarket steel bottom metal for 98s will weigh more than the original stuff.

My VZ.24 weighed 2lb, 12&7/8 oz., my yugo m.24/45 weighed 2 lb, 11&3/4 oz, complete actions, military bottom metal, shrouds and triggers.

My STA Barbara weighs 2 lb, 13.2 oz. Complete w/ trig,bottom metal and filler screws in the base holes.
I sold my 700 SA, that I had set aside for a light build, for a Mexican Mauser. Working on an Encore light build now. The Encore weighs 1 lb, 8 oz. and 5lb 4.6 oz with barrel and base/rings. If somebody knows of a manufacture of lightweight stocks for a Encore I'm all ears!!

bump....

bump for what? want that pile of parts in 7saum? just picked up 400 pcs of virgin brass for it..........

evil bastad

woofer

So, a Rem 600 with a fluted bolt would beat the Ti in being light?

doubt it. the 600 above was slab sided and cut and twisted and skinned however, if you can live with a few extra ounces it would a be a great starting point.... your sling would probably have more to do with overall weight....

the 7's and 600's are lighter starting for sure. the 700's were a great platform cause the takeoff stuff in the ti fodder was a cheap way to get light. now that the prices have all gone up it is really a toss up... a 7/600 in a bansner with a skinny tube is a really light rig.. if you want barrel weight just toss on a standard sporter take-off (most can be had for peanuts or free). your still in under 6# i would bet...

or, just buy a tikka and go shoot

woofer

woofer;

What SAUM pile of parts?

that 7saum i have been looking as in a pile on my bench. you made mention that you were trying to figure out how ended up at the 5# mark....

just thought i would throw that out for fun.....

woofer

It looks like the list at the top of this thread (and on the Bansner website) has a typo for the "Weatherby" M-70 post 64. Pretty sure they're meaning Winchester. Does anyone know what a Win Model 70 Short Action weighs with bottom metal? Thanks.

45 ozs. E

Heavy little bastids, ain't they.....

A couple of things. While the weights on the chart appear pretty accurate, it will depend on which one. The Rugers, for instance, have different weights because of their materials used in their FP & TG. So do the Winchesters. The SS FP & TG for my SA M70 classic weighs 7 ozs. alone.
Another is that you can lighten an action by additional milling, etc. My local rifle maker tells me he can get a basic Mauser lighter than a Ruger Mk.II. He did get my Ruger tang safety model lighter than either.
You should see and fondle some of JimF's rifles. I got to shoot some of them. His 6 lb. .338-08 (before it became legal as the .338 Federal) was really well balanced. Not bad in the recoil department either. The trick is to make sure the rifle isn't muzzle light. The biggest flaw you can have in a light rifle. If done right, they are a real pleasure to carry and shoot. E

Just put a MRC from the initial run (in '03?) short action, Stainless, mag bolt face came in at 2.84 lbs. That's 2 lb 13 1/2 oz.

SOS

Here's a few more for the list

Savage SA (blind mag) - 36.0 oz
Savage SA (single-shot) - 38.0 oz
Savage SA (single-shot; small port) - 42.0 oz

GREAT!! THANKS alot Jim!

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Anyone know how much the mini Mauser actions (799, Charles Daly, Interarms, CZ527) weigh?

yuk, yuk yuk. it never ends......

woofer

how about a 16" barreled 458 socom on a mini mauser?!

woofer

THUMP!

VA,www.bpgunsmith.com/daly.pdf has it at 31.8oz.

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well dang, only an ounce or 2 savings from a standard short 700. model 7 or a 600 would have you in same w/out the box constraints or stock headaches.. but if crf is your bag the game is certainly smaller....



woofer

I may be wrong but I thought I read at one time that the mini-mauser,like the M77 Ruger,is not a CRF. Anyone know for sure?

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i just assumed....

woofer

The Charles Daly Mini is not CRF. Have to go CZ for that option.

31.8 oz, with steel bottom metal.....

Hmmmm.....

ADL style, aluminum trigger guard, aluminum bolt knob (hollowed), a little millwork to the sides to off the ugly azz engraving; I'm guess that should drop it to about 24ish oz. 1.5 lbs... nice. At 18 oz. for a Bansner.... maybe another 6 oz. for bases and rings.... 3 lbs, minus tube. Helluva starting point.

Brown's list is very old, The Ruger weights are the top of tang & the SAKO are for A's & L's.

Thanks!

Has anyone slapped a MKII action on a scale? I do know that my MKII 338 WinMag barreld action weighs 5.75#. I'd be real interested in what a MKII or Hawkeye barreled action in a standard long action caliber weighs...!

VA, just do it and let me know... save me mucho work

woofer

Pointer, my M77 MKII .257 Roberts barreled action with bottom mettle weighs 5.265 lbs., 5 lbs, 4.24 oz. The .257 is built on a long action. I've been meaning to take an old take-off barrel to work to get an accurate weight so I can find the actual action weight. Sure wish I could take about 3/4 lbs off that .257, 8.765 lbs. all up for such a small caliber seems heavy.

Thanks for the info! Seems like my .338 with the heavier barrel is only 0.5#s heavier... Makes some future choices of mine a bit easer!

also, in the barrel dept....

weighed a pair of ss mountain tubes.. 08 and 06'. the 08 a 20" and the 06" the 22"

22" weighed 1# 14.8 oz the 20" weighed 1# 14.0 oz....

FWIW

WOOFER

...I never knew the weight of the Rem. 600 action, but knew it was a light one since my Brown precision "High Country" built on a 600 action back in 1978 by Chet Brown weighs in at 5.5 lbs with a Shilen 20" SS barrel, and Chet's kevlar stock. After all these years it is still my favorite hunting rig!Just imagine if Les Webernick (sp?)got his mill-work done on that sexy little model 600 action!Ive got another model 600 Rem in 6mm Rem with a lovely trimmed down walnut stock that would cobble up into a delightful 358 Winchester chambered hunting rig for timber cruising. I ought to get busy on it!

Pointer and interested others, weighed a couple of barrels today. Take off sporter barrels from Rem and Ruger. The Rem. .270 barrel from about 1972 went 2.485 lbs and the M77 .257 barrel went 2.495. Cosidering the long shank on the Ruger, I thought it would be heavier. The Rem tapers faster from the action, but carries more dia. to the muzzle than the Ruger. Since I weighed the M77 barreled action the other day at 5.265 lbs, that leaves 2.77 lbs or 44.32 oz. for the action. That would include mag box, bottom metal and screws. If the M700 BDL weighs 39oz. per the chart on page 1, then the Ruger is 5 oz heavier,not as much as I'd thought. Suppose I need to drill out that buttstock and trim some off the forearm to get the weight down.

Thanks a ton (pun intended ) for the information. I have this pipedream of building a 270 Win on a MKII action to match my 338 Win and having it come in at 7.5# or less. With the numbers you posted I may just get there... I've found two sources (MPI and Brown) that make stocks for the MKII that could come in as light at 22-26oz. Coupling that with your info a factory barreled action in a 26oz stock and a Leupold 6X36 would come in at close 7.75#. Using a barrel calculator I got from someone on this website an aftermarket barrel in a Win FWT contour should come in at roughly 6oz lighter. AND if the stock comes in a shade lighter I'd be there easily! Now, the only question is how the thing would balance...? If it'd be to butt heavy I guess I could get a hold of the 'smith that E has used to lighten the action. Or just use a different, but very similar action...

Thanks for taking the time to share that information.

Hey Pointer:

Have a 22" Win FW takeoff barrel in 280 that weights 2.06#.

My MPI stock on an FN action weighs 27oz (1.67#)--Classic style
The Douglas 24" 338 bored barrel goes 2.46# with a muzzle OD of .630
FN action with steel bottom metal weighs 2.75#
Total 6.88#

Have a Kelvar mix whatever, MPI stock in the Classic that weighs 19oz all up, on an M-70.

Thanks a bunch for the info! I think I could definitely come in at my desired weight, or at least close enough not too matter. Now, I just need to start gathering the pieces!