Is a gel coat swirled EDGE Hunter a possibility? I could care less about the slight increase in weight.

Paint sucks(ALL paint)...................

I'm in line if possible! I'd love a swirly in a stock weighing in the neighborhood of the KS.

Roads

Stick,

I thought you didn't give a rip about the cosmetics of your tools. All paint can do is wear off.

Roads

<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> If it comes in French Walnut...let me know!!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

But gelcoat cain't and I'm partial to the elimination of variables.

The Cool Factor always warrants being weighed,al else being equal.................

I agree. Weight has been my only hang up. You know those extra two ounces could kill a fella.

Roads

The trick is knowing whatcha want and why.

I don't fret my preferences......................

Are those "edge" stocks the lightweight ones?

Roger that............

Can anyone remind me what Rem patterns I could order using the Edge technology?

BTW, I like Stick's idea a LOT!!! Sign me up asap if we can do it!

ahh....

I want one of those for the Ti i'm gonna do.

To my (limited) knowledge,the EDGE technology is available in but a sole Sporting pattern(Hunter's EDGE),which is SUCKS compatible.

If given free reign,I'd specify an EDGE technolgy Mountain Rifle handle and if really given the reigns,would prefer texture to checkering ala HTG/M40A1.

Beggars cain't be choosers and I'll take what I can get,as long as it ain't black......................

Stick,
McMillan is now offering the EDGE technology in all of their stocks. You can get a Mountain Rifle EDGE stock now (I'm contemplating a sub-7lb 223 AI right now).

I gave up the EDGE pursuit,when I was told "no gelcoat".

Am hoping that too,has changed..................

We can make a Remington Mountain rifle stock weigh 28-30 ounces without using EDGE technology(for a .223 AI it would be at the lighter end Specify Rem KS fill). With EDGE technology we can make it weigh 22-24 ounces. With EDGE technology and molded marble finish we could make a stock 25-27 ounces. We have a hard enough time justifying the extra cost for the graphite material with a savings of 4 to 8 ounces. I don't feel good about the extra charge for a savings of 3-5 ounces.

The worst part is that with the 100% graphite cloth(jet black), we would have the weave of the cloth show through so bad we could never get you guys to accept them. Once we have added the extra weight of the molded gel coat, they would be too heavy to paint.

Unfortunately there are just somethings that aren't possible, like making all of you happy all the time. :^)

My lightest KS,went 24oz,prior to bedding. It's a great handle,but wears paint.

I've zero qualm doing the light-filled Swirly Thing,as it's a path I know well.

I figured it hurts none to ask,so I'll continue along in familiar territory...................

Whats the defination of KS ?

If I new the answer I plumb forgot...............

"Kevlar Stock".

You've been remembered.............

Actually that's not right. Yes, we do put Kevlar in the KS's but against our wishes. Remember back when we first started making these stocks, Remington was owned by DuPont. Kevlar is a DuPont product. They insisted on being able to say they were Kevlar stocks, so we put some Kevlar in places where it would com,promise the quality of the stock, in small amounts just enough for them to be able to make their claims.

Most probably don't know this, but we started working with Kevlar back in 1980 when we were working with the Marines on an M-14 project. All of our research and the tests the Marines did convinced us and them that Kevlar is just not a good material to make stocks out of. The type of strengths that it possesses is not the strengths needed to make a good gunstock. Those that are were negated when laminated. Example: It's damn hard to cut a piece of Kevlar with a sharp pair of scissors and damn near impossible to machine it with endmills. But take a piece of Kevlar that has been laminated in epoxy resin and you can tear in two with your fingers. The resin makes the fibers so brittle it loses it's tear strength.

So to answer the question. KS fill is a special mixture of the materials we use specifically designed to produce a stock that weighs 1lb 10-12 ounces. It will not contain Kevlar.

Kelly, is that what you get when you specify "light fill" or is this even lighter? I'm guessing if it's different you could ask for it with any of the McSwirly patterns?

"KS" isn't Remington's nomenclature for a Kevlar stock via McMillan?

Dat's what I have and referenced.................

Sorry Stick, I thought he was asking me what I meant by KS fill. But you are right, KS I'm sure stands for Kevlar stock.

Light fill will get you Weatherby glass in the action area. You need to specify Remington glass in the action area, but it's easiest just to say make it like a KS.

My KS Mountain handle,bests my lightest "light filled" offering,by 6 ounces.

Obviously the heavier handles are more rigid,but I FL bed my light tubes and the KS 25-06AI shoots like a dirty bastard in that guise,if not a touch better. It is sinister.

Back to wishin',I'd dig a 24oz all up Swirly EDGE Mountain Rifle pattern,but cain't bitch a whit about my current configurations.

Dreams is free................

Kevlar Special.

Mucho light.

Mountain Hunter Kevlar Specials ROCK!

I found another and IT AIN'T FOR SALE! Gonna make a third custom on one. This one a Roy in ultra light configurations.

Thanks Mr. Sisk!

Rick

Rub it in...Rub it in.

I hear good things about the Roy/McMillan combination...................(grin)

Not trying to be a smart-a here, this is an honest question.

Without reading about these options on this forum, where would a potential customer find this information? I complimented you on your website but admit haven't totally read every last word on all the pages (yet) so if it is there then I apologize or not doing my homweork.

I've read about specifying "light fill" or "heavy fill" but again, only on this and a couple of other internet forums. Now I see "Weatherby glass", "Remington glass", "make it like a KS" - how do you know to specify the right option you want or even ask the right questions about options available unless you know those options exist?

Again - not bitching here, just offering hopefully constructive customer feedback.

Yup.

Can't not have another.

Was hoping they'd make a Ti in a LA .532, but no luck yet.

Prolly gonna go with a SS.

Besides, it's hard to rub it in to a guy with your quiver. I'm still a greenhorn.

Rick

Jim:

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Rick

Unfortunately it would be impossible for us to publish all we have learned from 30 years of making stocks. Our catalog is already large and expensive. Even on the website, someone would have to write the information. Dick and I are the only people who could do that, and to be honest, we both have other jobs that keep us busy. So, calling us on the phone to discuss what it is you want, is the best way to get obscure information that you might find usefull.

Rick-

Teeder just posted the whereabouts of a SS Mountain rifle in .338 Win Mag over on the Free Classifieds thread about the 25/06 SS Mtn rifle, if you don't already have an SS laying around.

C&B

Its seems like the Remington KS Mcmillian is a hard to find stock. Have you guys thought about offering it or something very similar in your own lineup?

We have an agreement with Remington not to sell the stock to anyone but them. The only stocks they buy are for rifles they sell. Since they don't break or wear out, not many people are changing them. I suspect that is why they are hard to find.

But, we do offer the Mt Rifle stock, which I like better than the KS.

McMillan,
1. How about posting pics of different swirl combo's with recipes here or on your website so people know what they're getting.

2. What is the weight difference betwix the Hunters Edge and a Swirl mountain rifle stock (For a Rem 700).

Thanks