Looking a building a real fast rifle. Say a .257 on down and over 4200fps.
I have the 22-250 40 gr and the 220 swift 52 gr and 243 and 6mm shoting 58gr.

I just want something really fast and dont care if it burns out the barrel in 1000 shots. Just looking for a hellova Coyote gun.

Thanks

8 twist 6/06AI, run 105 Amax's

Dober

That would make deer real sick.

The ultimate, The Eargasplitinloudenboomer. 22-378WBY. Seven twist of course.

6.5STW,1 of the guys at the gunshop had 1 built and using 120gr NBT'S he pushed it to 4012fps,bullets were exploding when it hit the paper.He said he backed it down to about 3800fps and when deer where shot with it,they threw themselves backwards upon impact,like theyed been hit by lightening.

I had a CATBIRD(6mm-270Win)built 3 years ago and hand load 105grAMAX for it.It has killed several deer,hogs and varmints with no problem.It's faster than a 240Weatherby.

.22-6mm with a 40-50 grain bullet will fill that need.

This is mine a Interarms Mark X,Montana Rifle Co barrel 26" 1-12 twist,B&C stock with desert camo and a Leupold 3x-9x scope.

This coyote was shot at 30 yards hit the shoulder blade with a 55 grain Nosler Ballistic Tip,with a muzzle velocity of 4000 fps.

Here is another coyote shot with the .22-6mm,but at 50 yards.

A scope with turrets.

That all sounds a little "optimistic" to say the least.

I have a load for my 300WBY that does the same thing on paper with 110 round nose 30 carbine bullets. Don't know how fast it is, but just a grey puff behind the target frame! I hope to try a couple of them on squirrels this spring.

PS: I didn't go about looking for the load, I had to pull some 200 grains that were too hot and just grabbed them off the shelf and stuck them in there. If anyone has quick load and wants to run the #'s, it is 80 IMR7828ssc with sierra 110 rn carbine.

Maybe take a look at the new GAP speedster - which I think is a 6.5 SAUM?? Supposed to be pretty awesome.

22 Dasher. I'm Getting 4200 With The 50 Gr B.T's. With No Pressure And No Recoil. Easy To Spot Hits. I've Killed Crows Out To 450Yds.And Buddy Killed A Young Groung Hog At 717Yds.

.257 or 6.5 WSM or SAUM.

I think a 6mm Rem AI shooting 55 gr. BT's would be fun..

The dumbest gun I own is a 700 chambered in 257 Scramjet. It's basically a 257 RUM. Was built buy Terry Cross, is stupid accurate, and stupid fun. I can get a 100 grain pill to just under 3,800.

I have a 25-300 Weatherby and shot 100 gr 3950FPS. Just looking for that 4200 FPS Gun.

17-204

Mine would be an 8 twist .22-6mm.....

257 RUM

22-243 -or- 22-6mm. Not a lot of options to break the 4000k mark. My 22-250AI with 40's is at 4260 or so.

6mm-284 with 55 gr Nos bt. My 24" barrel with varget goes 4178 fps. A longer barrel should make your goal.

The high quality 6.5-284 lapua brass (necked down) still has tight primer pockets after 8 firings.

BTW the 6mm 55 gr NBT has a higher BC than the .224 55 gr NBT.

A 22-250 spitting 40 gr. NBT's.
Funny thing is when you start thinking ranges pass 250 yards or so and impact velocities builds go a whole different direction.

Good thing you had all that velocity. Might not've made it all the way out there without it.

Yea,at 60 yards I might have shot under it.

Been thinking about this one for a while.

I have a hard time believing that round would come anywhere close to the 4000 fps mark. Probably more like 3300fps? I guess we need to define "speed demon."

You're probably right, but then again, I wasn't considering the OP's 4000 fps requirement myself.

IMHO, that case size is about as big as I'd want to go in 6 mm.

I think the law of diminishing returns catches up real fast when talking about .22's and 6mm's.

As FVA mentions, I think more in terms of "impact velocity" as opposed to "muzzle velocity". Something that will push bullets of .375-.450 BC at 3,500 or so is going to be fast enough to be flat, but still arrive with a good chunk of retained speed inside of 500yds. What will a 6-06 AI do with the 87gr V-max?

I wonder if a 105 AM would tolerate being pushed over 3300ish, or if you'd start to see some core/jacket separation.

I'd also think the plain .257Wby would be tough when paired with the 90gr BlitzKing. BC is almost .400 and it could likely make 3,700fps+ in most 26" barrels.

Carnivore..........

There is that. What would it do with a 95gr V-Max?

If looking for pure speed, build a big 17. Not sure why folks are talking about 25s when 4200 fps is mentioned as a goal.

Just offering a different outlook on the intended results. Running a .17cal 25gr V-max at 4,300 vs the .257 90gr Blitzking at 3,700, that 500fps MV advantage is gone by 275yds or so. The better BC just walks away after that. This is just pondering on a 400-500yd coyote gun.

No idea but I imagine it would scream!!

There is no such thing as a point and shoot gun out to 400-500, but it can be achieved on a small target like a coyote with enough velocity within 300.

Ranging and spinning turrets while calling, when you are trying to sit completely still is impossible. That is why speed and flat shooting guns rule over turrets. Unless a dog hangs up and sits there barking at you at 400, you usually don't have time to set up for a shot. Really wide open country might be different, but not where I have traditionally called.

Completely agree. For a truck gun, a point and shoot cartridge is where it's at. 3-5 seconds is about all you get. Something like a 17-204 or 17 Predator with a Kindler Gold has the combination of BC and velocity for such shots, and the ability to spot your shots.

If a guy has time to run a rangefinder and spin turrets, about anything with a decent BC will do.

.300/408 chey tac improved should boogie with 130tsxs or better yet 300/416 barret. Just suggestions I dont need anything that dumb.

I shot a 17 Rem for yrs and it was a heck of a Fox rifle. But if I shot a Coyote in the shoulder at 200 to 300 yds they were runners. Just not enough bullet or energy to do the job like a 22-250 or a Swift would do at that range with 50 to 52 gr bullets. Thats why a want a Rifle that has speed and a pretty good bullet.

In that case, build a big 6 shooting 55s for the point and shoot coyotes, along with some 95 or 105 grain Bergers for the long range, take your time coyotes.

I'm switching to monos out of my 22-250AI. I was getting kabooms on impact due to the high velocity, which resulted in a wounded dog hauling ass into the sunset.

What bullets were you using and what velocities? I am contemplating building one of these and would appreciate the info.

20cal-.284win

You want fast..there ya go.

I haven't read the whole thread, but I built a 22-284 several years ago. I used up to 90grain JLKs that Jimmie Knox was fooling with at the time. They just evaporated. Kept slowing it down and it shot pretty good. I found it was really hard to beat a 22-243.

The 22 CHeetah.



I ended up running 52g Berger bullets at about 4100 FPS.On my first rifle.
My second one was even faster.
Need about 2.75 of up, from a 100 yard zero, to be on, at 400 yards.
I killed piles of chucks from 350 to 600 yards.
Do it right and run light bullets with the 1-16 twist.
Instead of that turd lobben stuff...
If you cant get BR brass.
The I'd look real hard at Lapua Palma brass.
Just dont try to use the small primer stuff in cold weather.
Barrel life is rather "short".


dave

Dave, had a Cheetah when they first came out..a great shooter and super chuck rifle..In those days I shot the Nosler BTBT in 50 grain...

84, I have a 22-250 AI and have shot it for about 18 years..At present it is about 2400 rounds old and a I have had great success with it on everything from prairie dogs to whitetails..I often shot 64 grain WW on deer, but my favorite bullet is the 50 grain Blitzking..I am not sure just how many coyotes but far more than a few..It is my favorite .22 caliber for coyotes after my Swift..I have had no bullet failures..the last time I checked the speed, it was about 4050fps..

For two 6/06 barrels I've used a combo close to that. The 55 NBT at well over 4K has been awesome on called dogs. Miss the big bones and there's lil to none at all exits. We've used the slug to take some lopes and deer as well.

Our main reasons for the 55 NBT was to have a fur friendly load.

Dober

WCH-another bullet I've long loved is the 63 Sierra (I call it old ugly). Accurate as they come, fur friendly and very game capable.

Dober

Mark, that is another one I have used a great deal, but mostly in my old .22-250...I shot it some in the AI, but somewhere along the line I bought 500 64 grain WW so have been shooting those..But those old 63 grain bullets are one of my favorites also..

WyoCoyoteHunter

I can remember running 50g Sierra SPs up to 4300fps.
That was with the big gun.
I did try it on a few chucks.
It was a blast so to speak....
Mine operated at and I kept at,just under 4100 fps with the 52g Berger.
Both of mine shot real well there.
It messes up the clock in your head when to see an "instant" bullet impact 650 yards away.
The 22-250 AI is a more practical round.
But its not as much fun.

dave

How bad do you want to tear them up? Accurately....
- 4200 with a .223AI and 40's.
- with a 22-250AI....well over 4200 with 50's and 4000 with 55's.
-70's through a 6mmAI doing 4150, quite a bit faster with lighter bullets.
-Or a 257Wby and 100's @ 3850 with a 26" barrel, 4000 with a 30"barrel, a lot faster with lighter bullets.

Over 4200 is awfully d#mn fast, 4000 is cooking along real good.

My speed demon would be a .358 Shooting Times Alaskan (28" bbl)...coyotes and much more.

I just don't believe some of these stated figures, or I have a slow gun -or- I have a slow chrono.

I am at 4266fps with 40's out of my 22-250AI before I started feeling a stiff bolt from a 24" barrel.

I am at 3850 with 40's out of my 223AI with a 22" barrel before I started feeling pressure.

Your numbers are about what I've seen as well (except the 22-250 AI was a Swift). 4225 for a 25" Swift, 3850 for a 22" 223 AI.

Yeah, those figures (of Ackman's) are ridiculous. I get a bit better than 3900 fps out of my 223AI with 40's and a 22" barrel. I am leaning on it about as hard as I care to.
I don't doubt that can be improved on with longer barrels and at the edge loads. But 4200 with 40's out of a 223AI is in no way a balanced description of what to expect from a 223AI and 40's.

Always funny when someone calls bs if they're not getting the same numbers......since they're not doing it, somebody else can't do it. Nothing ridiculous about those numbers. Targets are all filed with chrono tape attached. Pact Pro chrono checked against my friend's Oehler 35.....within 20fps of each other. There's nothing magic, just brass/powder/primer and chamber, anyone can do it. I know others who are. Instead of calling bs, tweek your own stuff and get it working better.

*** I have 4 - 223AI's all 14" twist, chambered with the same tight reamer - .250"nk 0 freebore. The 3 that I've shot.....25" Schneider, 24" Douglas/Virgin Valley, and cheap 24" A&B. The same 40gr load that's 4100fps in the Schneider, is only 3950 in the Douglas and 3900 in the A&B. I'd expect a top-quality match barrel - or one with a properly sized bore - to equal the performance of that Schneider. The 22-250AI is a 28" Hart and another 25" Lothar Walther is just as fast, both 14 twist. The 257Wby is a 12 twist 29" Hart. The 6mmAI is Krieger. All chambers are semi-tight neck with 0 freebore and about .010" longer than the brass. Well spec'd chamber and barrel make a difference.

dave7mm,Those Cheetah's are some rifle..I think mine was the most accurate rifle I ever owned..I have thought of putting another together as I still have dies, etc..right now I am .22 caliber poor, and don't get all the rifles I have shot each summer since the prairie dog shooting here has become a rich man's sport..Still when one of my big .22's goes, I have a new Douglas barrel, I might just make up a Cheetah..!!.I loved shooting crows with that rifle..Had the first 6.5-20 Leupold I ever owned on it..Crows looked huge in that after using nothing more powerful than a 10x..With a good hit, crow parts rained everywhere.....AHHH times passed.

When I get around to it.
Im going to rebarrel my old one.
I'd like to build new.
I have a stock.
But need everything else.

In time ....


dave

What is COAL? Using 2.26 the lowest pressure reading I can get a 40gr bullet going 4200 fps from a 223Ai is in the 78Kpsi range. You might be gaining a tad of capacity seating them longer but 40gr bullets are pretty damn short so I do not see a huge gain there. You sooting 550? A tight chamber might make a difference in masking pressure signs but it does not lessen pressures. I do not care in you run them in the 100K pressure range but you peaked my curiosity. Maybe you can tell us a bit more about this magic load like bullet powder etc. I just went with 40gr bergers a different bullet might make a difference.

Here is proof from my 22-250AI, 24" 12 twist pacnor barrel and 40 gr Sierras.

I am about 3800 with 55gr Bergers out of the same gun.

i was on the reloadersnest i saw a 6 mm class that i liked called a .240 incinarator the data claimed that the speed was to say the the least very fast . But i thought it would burn the throat out quickly. i guess it would be an incinarator if memory right 70 were around 4700 ...

6mm Mach IV. I would order barrels two at a time.

Dink

Don't know COAL, I don't measure that......0 freebore, touching the lands a 40BT is about .050" off the neck/shoulder junction. Also I don't shoot 40's in these guns, just wanted to see what they'd do and the guy asked about speed demons. These guns just get 50's. A 50BT is about .030" off the neck/shoulder, 50TNT is .120" up.

Sooting 550? I don't know what what you're asking.

COAL just combined over all length. Was asking whether you were shooting N550 powder which is one of the powders that was at the lowest pressure range to reach 4200 with a berger 40gr. That powder does not work well with the BT.

[quote=DINK]6mm Mach IV. I would order barrels two at a time.

Dink [/quote

yes that is just what i thought. i do have a 6mm-06 with a 28 douglas xx that shoots 55gr combined tecs at 4248 fps with 55gr of varget and a cci br#2 primer safe in my gun. 1 in12 twist.

I know what COAL is......it's not something I measure.

Folks will take numbers without taking a lot of factors into consideration:

twist rate
Chamber dimensions
barrel length

Here are some hot rods that I have put together:

22/250 AI, 27" 1-12 twist Hart, 50's at 4150, 55's at 4050 with extrme accuracy in both using Win 760, Fed 210's, Rem and PMC brass. Chamber had 0.2245 throat, and 1 1/2* leade angle, Zero freebore(trapped all the gases behind the bullet).

244 AI(6 Rem AI), 1-14 Shilen select match, 26" long, Minimum spec match chamber with .2435 throat dia, zero freebore. 70g Noslers at 4100 fps shot a tiny ragged hole with Win 760 and 210 primers, 80g Sierra BT Blitz with R#19 shot tiny groups at 3800 fps, Win brass. 60g Sierra's at 4400 fps with win 760 detonated chucks like paint balls on black rocks.

Now, take the same reamer, used in a 1-10 twist Stainless match barrel, 70's velocity dropped to 3850 with extreme accuracy, same length barrel...twist does make a difference.

223 AI with a minimum specm match reamer, zero freebore, I shoot the 50's at 3800 out of a 1-12 twist using N135, IMI brass, Rem 7 1/2 primers...ungodly accurate at 400 yards.

N550 is very slow for that case, I can't imagine using it. People make this into way more than it is......add a little capacity to the 223 you've got a 223AI and another 150-175fps. Same powders for both. Accuracy loads with 40's in a std. .223 can be 4000....I've done it, so have several other people and posted about it on here. The AI is about 1-1/2gr more powder.

It is very slow for that round, and you probably could not get enough powder in the case to pressure it up. When I asked that I did not even look in the % of case filled it would probably be something like 130% but if you could stuff it in there it would get you to 4200 and stay below 100K pressures and was one of the few powders that would.

With my 223 AI, 1-12 twist, zero freebore, I got 4170 fps with the 40g Nosler with N133, IMI brass, Rem 7 1/2 very tiny groups, did not have to full length size the brass afterwards. I settled on 28.0-28.5g of N133 with the 50g Nosler at 3800-3850(1 1/2" groups at 400 yards very often).

Qickload obviously has some quirks.

So do some chronographs. Maybe you should invest in pressure trace to what is really going on there.

I burned out a couple of 6-06 tubes and enjoyed it immensely.

As for right now, a 22-250 AI twisted 1-7 would be fun.......

Interesting thread...and enjoyable!! Lots of cool cartridges mentioned. As with my driving fast, my need for speed has diminished considerably in the last 30 or so years. Now my idea of driving fast is plowing in 3rd gear. My rifle velocities have also abated...2000-2400 fps is screaming for me these days.

Im leaning towards a 6MM Ackley improved. If went with a 1-12 or 1-14 twist could shoot 58 gr Vmax over 4200 fps maybe closer to 4300 fps with a 28" barrel.


Now that would put the hurt on a Coyote.

Just wondering can you build a 22-6mm ackley? Has anyone ever had one/

That would be a screamer

Seems like you'd know immediately that 550 is no way a powder for the .223 case. This is getting silly.....100K psi....brass is only so strong and starts to fail long before that, someplace around 75Kpsi. Despite what you may think, signs of overpressure show quite readily with AI cartridges. I've been there with other AI cartridges during workup. I've blown many primer pockets but not in one of these. And I've shot 223AI loads continuously in 100+ summer temps with never an overpressure sign, not ever. Stop fooling with QL and actually have a 223AI and shoot it. If you want the cartridge to really do it's thing with 50's or 40's, use a 12-14 twist barrel with a little length to it.

What? Keith's been chrono'ing all loads for 30yrs or more. I've been using one since early-mid '90. And there's nothing wrong with them, they both work fine, readings are accurate.

I use an Ohler 35P.

Data and chamber designs I use were copied from very knowledgable engineers in the gun business, I just used their loading data.

How about this, a 6BR with a 27" barrel, 1-12twist shooting the Nosler 55g at 3900 fps +. At 400 yards, this load out performs all loads with 87g-65g bullets for their accuracy loads. Speed can make up for a lot of BC, to a certain point.

How about the 243 WSSM shooting 55gr ballistic tips?

Starting with a Lilja 1:10 #2 .257 barrel and several actions to choose from... with the caveat that I already have three 25-06s... And a very long history with the Bob that makes me yawn. I recognize the bullets were the issue, but it cannot be overcome for this discussion.

Looking at a 25-284 on a 700 action... so then I would have four 25-06s, but one would be a SA. One of the 25-06s has a Pac-Nor "hunter" contour barrel which is super skinny and it is extremely accurate. It weighs less than down and flat performs...

So the SA advantage gets tested...

Using the same barrel on a LA magnum 700 action on hand looks like a 257Weatherby and marginal advantages over the 25-06s on hand.

And then there is a 700 223 action sitting there... Anyone with any 25-223 experience?

Now comes the interesting thought... I was gifted a Seven in 300SAUM with a badly bent barrel. It shot poorly but a quick tweak on the bent barrel and suddenly it looks surprisingly straight.

If it shoots it will stay the way it is (six boxes of Federal Premium ammo came with it) and if not it could be a 25WSSSM...

So, any action length, almost any bolt face, barrel as given; what is the best answer for a fun gun?

Actually if you shot some real bullets in the 223 you would know that N550 is kick ass with heavy bullets like the 90 vlds. I have a built several 223 AIs (actually the reamer says holland but 223AI dies work) You told me that you do not shoot that 40 gr load that you only tried it, now you shoot that load all the time in summer heat?

I think your chrono is busted. Like I told you before shoot them as hot as you like, until you can show me some published load data saying a 223AI can push a 40gr BT 4200 fps I think it is actually irresponsible to put the notion in folks heads. I am gonna rely on QL which has been very close on the many rifles I have used it on. Nearlly ever rifle I own and nearly ever rifle I build gets load work done using quick load. QL predictions are close enough that I am almost always within 1/2 MOA on my drops to 800 yards when I plug them into a ballistics program.

Good chambers, ackley chambers small case head diameters, and good brass are all very good at masking pressure signs. Like I told you before via PM it is science, not reading tea leaves which many akin looking for pressure signs.

Here is what QL says, but you are welcome to shoot them as fast as you wish. Your about 750 fps over the top load for the 223 on hodgdon's website.

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbth...h/true/Things_I_have_learned#Post3576960



dave

This has become tedious. Ok.........

1) So there it is......the real thing is that you shoot heavy bullets and think they're the deal. Fine. And you claim to have built a couple 223AI's.....they were fast twist/short barrel guns weren't they? Have you actually owned or messed with one yourself, a gun set up for lighter bullets? The OP was asking about over 4K speed demons and I told him. Over 4,000fps is fast but not a huge deal, a bunch of cartridges will do that with accuracy. I know at least a few guys who shoot several over 4000fps cartridges.

2) Don't try to be clever. Yes..... I wanted to see what 40's would do and found out. No.....I don't normally shoot them and always use 50's. The load in that gun is a 50 @ 3825. Interpolating, at that speed you could reasonably expect 375fps more velocity for 10gr (20%) less bullet weight.

3) Think whatever you like. Keith's must be broken too. And I know a few other guys with broken chronos.

4) "Published data".....I posted my results, Keith posted his, but you think you know better. If you or that other ex-purt don't get the same thing from your fast twist and probably short barreled gun, then you just don't.

5) Rely on whatever makes you feel warm and fuzzy.

6) So these things will even mask your claimed (bs) 100K psi? Don't be thinking so highly of yourself.

7) Complete nonsense.

And that huge bunch of numbers....you have nothing better to do? You may love that stuff but I'm not gonna' pore through all that crap. Other than notice that..... 1) You called for a 50gr @ 4200 and......2) None of those powders are even remotely applicable to that case and 40 or 50gr bullets. But that stuff is supposed to show me that what is, isn't....and that what I know works, doesn't? Get a grip.

It messes up the clock in your head when to see an "instant" bullet impact 650 yards away.


dave

When the snow leaves the range I will be attempting to break 4000fps with 85gr sierra HP in my 264 wm 30" barrel 1 in 8 twist. Also have other bullet weights to play with.

With my 25-300 Weatherby shooting 100gr Hornady interlocks I can get 3980FPS.

It really shoots just want I lighter recoiled gun

Whatever man, you doth protest too much. Like I have told you at least five times though not in these words, I do not give a [bleep] how fast you run (or we should say ran) those 40 gr BTs that one time at band camp. I do think that anyone who relies on your reported data that is 750_800 fps over lapua's and hodgden's published 223 data is an idiot.

I can run QL with any powder you wish, not that it would matter to you. It is apparent that you are blind to anything you do not want to see. I can guarantee that you will never ever in your wildest dreams reach 4200 with those 40bts in a 223AI and stay within saami pressures for the parent case. If you think that you are, your delusions are showing.

BTW 100K pressures are not all that bad. Especially with the small case head leading to lower bolt thrust. On several occasions I have run 6ppcs in the 90K PSI range and never pierced a small rifle primer. Admittedly those are custom actions but if your firing pin hole is not too sloppy I do not see why it should be a problem for you to do the same.

It is not the pressure that has me giggling, it is your choice to turn a blind eye to the pressures that is amusing. You were the guy that said the 223AI would run 40s @ 4200 fps then took issue when people said it was ridiculous. That places the burden of proof on you. Unless you can tell me something other than "I did it one time at band camp" I don't think the BS flag is coming down. Show me some .223 40gr BT data in any published source that is above 3900 fps and I will let you have the last word. I doubt that you are even going to argue that improving the 223 is going to give you more than a 250fps advantage over the parent case....right?

Eddy - This gets stupider and stupider. Tell me again about the 750-800fps too much? WTF. Nosler has 40's at 3860 with 2-1/2" less barrel and 2" faster twist, saami chamber, and that's in a manual.....manuals are conservative. Go look in a mirror you want to see an idiot.

The "band camp" stuff is cute....you're getting frantic. And the rest of your dumb bs is just that. Funny how you don't want to believe people who've done it, they're liars with busted chronos. And a clueless quickload-suckling nitwit who hasn't done it, is an ex-purt. You're one dumb sob. Giggle yourself silly.

Working - accuracy - load for my rifles.....223AI is 185fps more than the .223. Comparing two different guns would most likely be different. I've also seen several guys on this board post 4000 with 40's and a 223. Lots of liars with broken chronos out there.

Saying that your 4200 fps load is safe and not over pressure, despite all published evidence to the contrary is very much akin to a meth addict saying "meth hasn't killed me yet, so it must be safe", despite all evidence to the contrary.

http://www.nosler.com/Reloading-Data/223-Remington--5.56x45-NATO-40-Grains.aspx

All my books are out in the shop and it does not mean enough to me to walk and get them. I did happen to speak with a buddy who had a nosler manual on hand and got that load you referenced. You were right about some of the book loads being light. These are the loads I looked to say 750 fps. Notice the low velocity and pressures. You can also look on the lapua page.




QL agrees thaat each is pretty low and notice how each corresponding load plays out in QL.

Got pretty close to Noslers data on that varget load with QL



Got pretty close to that w748 load too, within 80.


Hmm pretty close to that 322 load as well. Within 60.


Rl7, not to bad, within 60ish.



Here is the book load you referred to. But that benchmark nosler load is very close to saami max for 223. QL is pretty close there to their results, nothing unusual about that.


Now here is your load that you PMed to me. See something odd there? The pressures are pretty high see that red line of the curve up into the red in the top left box. Velocity is a couple hundred short of that magic 4200. Velocity in that chart below should actually be 4073 fps, (shorted you a little barrel there), there would not be a significant change in pressure still in the 73400 range, which is a far cry from the 55000 psi saami max.

[img]http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j184/eddybo69/ackmanactualcorected_zpsdda7c1e8.png[/img]

Now here is the load it would take to reach 4200 fps, just a grain higher than the load you tried. Velocity is way up there, so are the pressures, nearly 8400psi.

[img]http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j184/eddybo69/ackman_zps3fc341bf.png[/img]

You do see the correlation between pressures and velocity. Now slowly explain to me what makes your rifle defy physics. You can't, so the other rational explanation is your chrono had a bad day, or your fudging. Even if your barrel is fast and we stack all errors caused by different lots numbers and twist differnces your load is still pretty stiff and well over saami max.

I did not actually look at the powder listing I ran for the 223AI yesterday, just ran them and posted them, because they are what they are. I had the powders limited by burn rate. I reran the query with it not limited it is 5 pages long I will post it if you are interested, but I am sure you would rather remain blind to the pressures, not that I think those pressures are going to blind you.

+1

I forgot another hot rod, 257 Weatherby:1-10 twist Pac Nor three groove, zero freebore, .2575 throat dia

85g Nosler win Combined tec bullet
4137fps
tiny groups

Was reading a thread on another forum where some guys were getting 5000-5200 fps out of a 22/06 and another was a 22/300 wm with 30 grain bergers.

Also someone mentioned he heard of a guy that had some superduper rifle able to hit 7k - I'll take that with a grain of salt though.

Well there eddybo.......you posted some max loads in that Nosler book that are up to 600fps slower than my 40gr load. From 10 powders/loads, that whole you chose the 4 slowest at the top. Think you're being really clever? The faster loads are 500fps more. And you do realize that loading manual data is based on the old 55Kpsi rating for 223 brass...that their loads aren't at that level.....and that 223 brass is actually rated to 62 or 65K psi now. You want so badly to prove yourself right about something. But cherry picking numbers.....have some self respect.

All the rest of that stuff, the old saying applies here.....when you don't know what you're talking about, overwhelm them with bs. Even if it were large enough to read, I wouldn't wast time on all that crap. It's like you're playing to an audience and desperate to prove what an expert you are. You and a few other idiots are poster boys for Stuck on Stupid. Don't you guys ever stop to think? A couple fools post about their 223AI's..... 22" barrel, (7-8-9 twist for heavy bullets 75's or your touted 90's, "real bullets") long freebore for those things, and then say they can only push 40's to 3850 or 3900. What do you expect? Set it up for lighter bullets and it'll work. But instead, a couple of us have and your excuse is that we both have broken chronos. You're a dope.

Talk like that'll get you slammed around here. Shoot some "real bullets" lol

Posted those loads where you could see a relation between velocity and pressure, as I expected you would ignore. I am thinking that since you had no pressure sighs on that 40gr 4200 fps load you should try and get 4500 fps out of it

No, you posted those slowest Nosler loads because they were slow. And you just don't get it. There was no goal, I was out to see what velocities would be and how they'd shoot. You're a dope.

I posted those because those were the loads that were 800 feet per second behind your load, which you took issue with. I agreed and QL agreed that they were conservative loads as you suggested they were. Your such a dope you want to argue when people agree with you.

I posted the book load you mentioned because QL showed that it was an upper limit load, right on the cusp. And so that you can see how QL works and how pressure and velocity interrelate.

I then posted your load and a load that is required to reach 4200. They all are what they are.

As I have told you shoot whatever you want, lord knows I do.

223: 4000fps - 3383 - 617 difference.
Nosler AA2015/25.5gr=3796 - 24"/12. My load 26.5/AA2015/26.5gr=4010 -26"/14twist.
You're a dope.

Who the hell said a word about a 4000 fps load.
4200-3383 =817 difference.
Your load AA2015 29grs & 40BTs- 4195fps
apparently your a dope head.

Yep.

So now you're playing switcheroo. First you claim the 4K/223 load was 700-800 higher than listed. Now you're saying it's the AI load being that much more than the slowest 223 loads you can find. You're beyond stupid.

Each as ignorant as the other.

Reading is fundamental. I went to the websites of the components you used. What 4000 fps 223 load? The only load I have been discussing with you is a 40gr 4200 fps load?

You're fudging. This gets nowhere. It's not difficult to shoot 40's at 4K through a std 223, without excess pressure. And 4100-4200 through an AI....but not with a 22" fast twist barrel and tons of freebore. You've no idea, have no experience.....quickload is all you know, and loading manuals. You've dug yourself into a hole. You're a dope.

Run a 40 @ 4000? Yes you can do it. Yes you can do it without popping primers. Yes you are over saami pressures when you do it. If you want to run 68K plus pressures have at it. (68K was the lowest pressure given for any powder , yes in QLs library) Your 2015 load will get you there around 7100 PSI. Run that if you like.

I question why would someone who does not care what any reloading data, and apparently does not shoot long range given their projectile choices, even needs with a chronograph? You may as well throw that thing away.

I have explained to you that I often run crap over published pressures. It does not mean you are a bad person. Do you know why most people use a chronograph? It is to make sure they are running velocities in line with published data. They do that because there is a definite correlation between pressure and velocity. A concept you have apparently not grasped yet.

I do find your discounting of quickload, a tool you have never used pretty amusing.

Proove me wrong.

I do not think too much of quick load. I think that if P.O. Ackley and Roy Weatherby had access to Quick Load, none of those cartriges would ever have existed.

I did owen a speed demon once a 68 dodge charger 140 was no problem. ;-)

No I don't have to prove anything. I've done it and know what'll do what. Find out for yourself. But you won't, you'll just parrot what these other idiots say.

Stop trying to be the expert. You don't know anywhere near so much as you think........

1) That 4K 223 load - std case without the benefit of AI "masking overpressure signs" is one gr. over book.....not a real hot load.... in a case now rated to 65K psi. No signs of overpressure, none. You have no idea what's going on except what quckload tells you.

2) Again quickload. You haven't done it, don't know, so quickload is your gospel.

3) Interesting.....nobody need a chrono unless they shoot long range? A lot of people don't need them then. And what is "long range?" Can't believe anyone would say something that stupid.

4) This is even stupider. What I expected....your gospel is loading manual data and quickload. Things to hide behind when you don't know/ haven't done it. Actuall....people use a chrono to see what velocity they're getting. And manuals....no loading manual has ever used my same setup....barrel-chamber-components. People who actually know what the h#ll they're doing know that manuals are a rough guide and not gospel. You really are clueless.

5) Pressure makes velocity. Mr. obvious.

6) Instead of spouting quickload and making it your mantra, actually find out for yourself. "Amusing" is you presuming to know so much about what you've never done. "Amusing" is that you could actually believe the ridiculous things you say.

Did you consult quickload first?

Hilarious. You buy into Quickload when you thinks it supports your position on the 4000 fps load. So now you admit that the load is over pressure just "not that hot"
Where are you getting that saami has changed loading pressure to 65K? My favorite loads with 55gr bergers are in the 63K range maybe a tad hotter, but I do not see think where saami raised the pressure rating.
I have worked up more loads with QL for more different rifles than you have probably ever shot, barring some employment in the business. Right now I do not know a thing about you other than your a prick and you ran some high pressure one time running 40gr bullets at 4200. Once again that does not make you a bad guy, enjoy your loads.
And what is your opinion as to increased velocity by ackleying a round?
I dont have time to argue with you tonight, heading out to the shop to chamber a rifle, catch ya tomorrow.

Eddy's mantra.....lie, overwhelm with BS.

1) Yeah hilarious. You're creating again. I bought into quickload? Where? Not hardly...... I don't care squat about quickload and said so many times. And sure's h*ll don't need quickload to tell me what works.

2) Read again.....I said the load was over "one gr. over book", did NOT say "overpressure." You like to make things up.

3) It's not a secret. You're just ignorant.

4) Wonderful. But more than I've ever shot.....seriously doubtful.

5) Lessee......you PM asking about loads, the real purpose being to attack and throw a bunch of crap. What I know about you is you're an azzhole troll.

6) I've shot AI cartridges since '90. Anything I say about them, you'll argue. Give it a rest.

I still cannot understand why you get so slobbering mad because someone says you load is hot. I have never called you a liar. Heck I believe you there were no pressure signs. Heck you were probably only in the mid 80s pressure wise. I have run higher than that in some match rifles. But I am beginning to see that you are not exactly a rational person. BTW you have lost your friggen mind, you PMed me you prick, just one of your lies I guess, like your saying saami moved the pressure to 65K. You still have shown no AA2015 data showing your load to be anything close to within pressure. GFY.

Yes but they recomended I check all the body and wheel bolts first then give it a good coating of teflon and stuff the gas tank with avation gas behond recomended capicity no more than 1 gallon. Behond that it is unsafe and the driver could receive fatal injurys. They also recomended not to dump the clutch at 8500 RPM I didn't heed there adviced and ripped the shock mounts off the body.

Eddy you're absolutely right, it was me pm'd you first. You got that one bless your little heart. My mistake, I surely must have lost my mind.

Myself and couple others on the board have been through this kind of "no way, prove it, you're way overpressure, the chrono is wrong, etc" bs several times with other people as ignorant as you. People who haven't done it but think loading manuals and quickload are gospel. I don't like to talk specific loads for that reason and pm'd you to get it off the forum. After two of your messages I saw what you were about and didn't want to waste time with your crap. It was a mistake to answer your bs on the thread.

Again, I did pm first and it was a good diversion for you. You're good at making dumb statements and diverting, but answer a few of them.



1) Where did I ever "buy into quickload?" Show me.

2) Read again what I said.

You're good at diverting and distorting. Try answering.

Don't do nuthin' without talking to quickload first.

So what your saying is that reloading manuals don't mean chit and people should just rely on your experience, even though you only shot the 4200fps 40gr load this one time and do not even know the combined overall length and think that VV 550 is way to slow for the .223. Whatever, I do not care how freakin hot you run them. Please wear ear and eye protection.
I do not owe you any answers, GFY.

My God you're a jackass......just looking for things to argue.

1) No, what I'm saying is that reloading manuals are a rough guide, a place to start and not gospel. Most people know this. You want to argue it.
2) I've told you that. I don't care about coal, only distance from lands. With 0 freebore, coal is hardly a concern.
3) For the bullet weights I shoot, yes 550 is way too slow. I've not even seen it listed in any manual. But use whatever makes you feel warm and fuzzy.
4) I always do. It's nice that you're concerned.

5) No you don't. But I figured you'd chickensh#t out and not back up what you've said.....you did.
6) Geee.......

You're a phony.

If by phony you mean that I do not post loads that could potentially get some inexperienced reloader to lose an eye, yea your right. I am still waiting on your qualifications, other than you shot this load one time and and did not have pressure signs. Go ahead regale us with your exploits. Tell me why I should trust your judgement as to level of pressure behind that 40gr pill. You do not mention any case head measurements, only say you did not blow any primers. You do not even tell us if your firing pin has been bushed. Sorry that my questioning your load gets your goat.

If I was going to chase speed, I'd build a .25 Gibbs. The .240 would be faster, but I already load for a .257 Bob so I wouldn't have to add 6mm bullets to the shelf.

6mm Rem AI(244 AI) will equal the gibbs on 70g bullets, we have been down that route with 4100-4150 fps on each, amazing accuracy both had 26" barrels and both had 1-14 twist rates.

257 Weatherby with zero freebore will equal the 25 gibbs with both putting out the 100g bullets at 4000 fps on 30" tubes.

Neither will pass the quick load tests on pressure I am sure.

Knowitall ex-purt arguing about something he's never messed with. You're a phony.

"...one time..." I've shot this load quite a bit more than "one time."

What gets my goat is you're a chickensh#t....you say real stupid things and are chickensh#t to explain them.

The .240Gibbs is definitely a speed demon but I'd recommend against it. My load was 70's@4100 which wasn't anwhere near max.....one guy (a barrel manufacturer) told me he'd shot that cartridge at 4500 but not what bullet weight, I'd guess it was 60's. At 4100 it just demolishes a rockchuck. But Gibbs are pretty much bastard cartridges and most people have never even seen one. Forming brass is a hassle compared to an AI. That gun now wears a long 6AI barrel. As Keith said, the 6mmAI will do that same velocity and with a bunch less powder.

And also as mentioned, the .257Wby is a 4K fps cartridge with 100's and a long barrel. A 100gr bullet going that fast does terrible things to a varmint.

As I thought you are not willing to answer anything about your experience. Sorely lacking in that department?

Your the guy claiming your load runs a40gr bullet at 4200 fps from a 223AI and is done at safe pressures.

Speaking of your less than credible claims. I see that you still have not shed any light on the 223 saami pressure being raised to 65000 psi. Not saying that it did not or should not happen, just that everything I see on the subject rejects that claim.

Okay lets look back on our conversation. You made a claim. I offered evidence to rebut your claim. Now this is the point where you direct me to some tidbit of information that supports your claim other than you shot this load one day and did not pop any primers. Or at least bolster your claim with you qualifications.

BTW if there is an answer you want from me on any subject, put the question in a single post, not a list of your BS in a post. Because if you have not noticed I don't really read your posts very closely when I see that they contain no substance just deflection and name calling. I will quote it and answer the question. So long as you are willing to answer the same, I will do my best to respond.

I am beggining to wonder if your name should be Yackman. All BS no substance.

Eddy just give it up. You are wasting your time on him. He has an idea in his head and won't let loose. You're a better man than fooling with his BS.

But but but I have been enjoying myself immensely. Okay it has been a lot of laughs, but I will let it go. I just wanted there to be an opposing view out there.
BTW guys if you want to try and run a 40gr bullet 4200 fps please contact me before trying yackman's load. His idea for components for doing it are not really realistic.

Ok Eddy.....

1) Reamer bought 3/99. Started shooting the gun early summer '99. Fireformed 1,000rds brass on pd's and groundsquirrels, did AI load workup early 2000's. About 2005 I tried the 40's. I have 4 barrels chambered with that reamer, 2 of them are slower. Two (2) other guys have rifles chambered with my reamer...... one is in So. Carolina the other is in Michigan. Their velocities are about the same + or - as mine.

2) Myself and at least one other person.

3) Yes. My post said 62K or 65K, I've seen both listed. The information is out there if you look. And I'm sure you have.

4) I've just told you. And again the "one day" thing, more of your made up bs. Again no, not just "one day." I've used that load in the field a couple times. So, what's your experience? How much have you shot this cartridge, and with less than heavy bullets? I didn't think so.

5) This is your deal, snow 'em with bs. You throw out ridiculous statements with ease. Four times I've asked for an explanation, so now you say ask again one at a time? You know exactly which I'm talking about and won't answer. You're Chickensh#t Eddy.

Ackman,
No reason to get crude. He disagrees with you. Get over it, it probably won't be the last time it happe3ns in your life. You are convinced that you are right, just go with it then.

Butch,
He asks, I've answered. And if you look back it was he got crude first.

You said 65K and have offered no support for it, as per your usual. From my understanding it is still 55K.

Is that the only gun you have ever loaded for? Surely that is not the depth of your experience...on second thought, maybe it is.

What question are you talking about? Spell it out for me in a single post I will answer it. I do not read most of your yack. I have no freaking clue what your asking.

You're tiresome.

1) The information is out there. Easy to find.

2) You keep coming up with crap ass-umptions.

3) Snow 'em with bs. You freaking know exactly what I've asked you several times to explain. This is your little game.

204 Ruger

Factory Hornady ammo with 32gr vmax is 4200fps at the muzzle.

If speed and less than .257 are the only requirements, why make it harder than it needs to be?

I think you have lost your sanity and apologize if I had any part in causing your breakdown. If you wanted an answer you would have asked a direct question. If it was easy to find you would have posted a link. I came up with the assumption as it is the only experience you listed.

You're delusional.

Easy choice for me, I'll take the vast experience of EddyBo over the unknown, but clearly speculative, experience of Ackman.
Especially when it's backed up by Hartmut Broemel and his fantastic QL program.
Funny how my Pressure Trace correlates so well with the predicted pressures from QL in my admittedly limited testing of PT so far.

Ackmam,

You are incredibly full of [bleep] schit,but points is warded for you being [bleep] stupid enough,to believe you. Kudos for Imagining pards that are as [bleep] stupid as yourself,though admittedly,keith is a consumate dumbphuck too and neither one of you [bleep] idiots could pour pizz outta a boot. I'd not let either of you dumbphuckers reload an ice tray,with fresh water.

Should it cheer you up,I've currently got (13) 223AI's,with twist rates ranging from 1-7" to 14",barrels 20-26" and throats running from a 2.425" 75A-Max kiss to a 2.525" A-Max kiss. Feel free to use all the Pretend and Imagination you deem requisite,to make your Dream fly,as I just might be lookin' forward to it. As an aside,I've a [bleep]' "hunch" that there's prolly another 50 or so 223AI's floating around,should that help fuel your Imagination. I just might could have some familiarity fueled with Reality in regards to said chambering,but please do not let them facts sway your Imagination,because this schit is phunnier than [bleep]!

Gots me this hunch too,that there's more than one flavor of boolit in the house. Hell...I prolly shoot it in SAAMI too and welcome any and all of your delusions,as you feverishly talk out your azz and try to make your Pretend "real".

Bless your heart.

If I see that Boxer has posted in a thread, I'm opening that thread. Every single time I either get a good laugh or learn something. Sometimes, both...

One could do much worse than following Boxer around and listening.

You gotta love it......... Boxer the bigmouth drunken dwarf, shares his self loathing with the world.

Is that all you have Ackman?
Pretty lame.

Now tell us how you know more than Hartmut Broemel and can determine actual pressure generated better than Pressure Trace.

Some folks can actually MEASURE the pressure rather than speculate on it.

Ackmam,

I'll feign my "surprise",that you went wayyyyyyyy outta your way,to sidestep ALL things the rifle and instead went right to [bleep] whining. Laffin'!

I get a [bleep] kick outta how "real" your Imagination is to you.

Bless your heart.

Bobysoxer........

Some of the tallest people I've known were short. Nobody noticed their height because they didn't need to prove anything, or make a big deal out of overcompensating. And they're not alcoholics.

No more playing Eddy's games.

I asked a simple question when I started this topic. And some people went way out of there why to help and others just wanted to show people how much they know or dont know.

Then someone else came aboard and showed how he could be a bully and figured know one would say anything.

Well you never helped or added some useful knowledge so as you would say SHUT THE [bleep] UP

Oh ya bless your little heart

That's still all you've got Ack?

Might possibly look into getting this.

http://www.shootingsoftware.com/pressure.htm

And this.

http://www.neconos.com/details3.htm

No games Ackman. A first I had a real curiosity, but you became pretty obtuse, it went downhill from there with your failure/refusal accept/see anything but what you wanted to see.

Ackmam,

Groovin' on the heartfelt whine. You were really doing "well" there for a while,with your contrived Expose on Boolistics 101 and the like...but for some curious reason,you went to full retreat. Laffin'!

I enjoy how "real" your Imagination is to you and there sure as [bleep] is no way to slight just how badly you need same.

Bless your heart.







'dog,

I'm thinkin' a coupla Midol,450cc's of Vagisil and a Super Sized Tampax in your usual locations,is gonna bear lotsa fruit for you and your Vagina Monologue.

Very much enjoyed the eipc display of your sheer and utter Dumbphucktitude,as your Estrogen High took Stupidity to places it's never been before: "Then someone else came aboard and showed how he could be a bully and figured know one would say anything." Just what is a "know one"?!!? Laffin'!

I get it that you are a Windowlicking Mall Ninja,talking out your azz about the things you know the least about and please don't think that your impressive display of Dumbphucktitude ain't absolutely hilarious. If I Mail you say $20,could you please video one of your hissy fits and send it to me? Your crossed eyes,drooling yap and itty-bitty foot stomp would be hilarious to view on tape,along with holding your breath.

The only thing you shoot is your [bleep] mouth and I'm happy for you,that the dumbest [bleep] schit that anyone has ever [bleep] heard of,rates as amongst your "best" ideas,as per your ability to "think".

So please don't stop now,mebbe give thought to eating some more glue and chewing on some more crayons,as an epic way to frost your incredibly hilarious cake and add style points to boot.

Perhaps you and Ackmam can form an allegience and a new Axis of Imagination,as you boldly schlep Stupidity to places it's never been before. It always lends credence,when you add a chart. Hint.

You incredibly stupid dumbnphuckers are a [bleep] riot!









nsa',

If you remove poor/dumb Ackmam's Imagination from the equation,she'll have nothing left and that'd be mean. Don't slight the humor of simply providing more rope and bracing yourself for a fresh round of excuses.

Don't underestimate how "real" her Pretend is to her.







'Bo,

It's an intellesting correlation,that them who do the least...bitch the most.

I'm rootin' for Ackmam to become the first Do Nothing Dumbphuck to bitch herself happy,despite the unsightly length of them "odds".

Wanna see sumptin' REAL funny?!!? Ask 'er for a picture. Luckily for her,Imagination and Pretend is free.

Laffin'!

It was only a matter of time before the little twerp with the big mouth showed up.

Yes games. And nothing obtuse, you just see what you want to see and ignore the rest. It doesn't matter anyway, this is going nowhere and I'm done with it. Keep thinking whatever you like and I'll keep doing what works for me.

After reading your posts in this thread, never expected you to do otherwise.

Boxer shorts:

Its real nice of you to get your Mom to spell the big words for you. She feels like she has to being she dropped you on your fat head.

Have you always been a loser. you know the last one picked for dodge ball or maybe band camp.

It must be hell living like you do, you know no friends to talk to so you have to come on here and try be a bully. Your nothing but a [bleep] sissy,cry baby and maybe a bed wetter to. Thats ok your Momma will wash and powder your poor little chapped azz.

Now go back to band camp where you belong.

Maybe with the 20$ you can buy a boyfriend to help you throw the rough times ( YOU KNOW THE CROSSDRESSER YOU ARE ). Heaven knows no Woman would put up with your sorry azz.

Is that a tear rolling down your cheek, guess not your mommy forgot to wipe your azz when you went #2

I have a job so maybe you can come up with something all by yourself tomorrow. ( dont forget to get your Mom to spell the big words )

You know I think your the biggest retard I have had the pleasure not knowing.

Get a life you lazy azz loser or curl up in a ball like the little punk azz sissy you are and start balling then people will leave you alone.

Good nite you putz

You're not the first he has requested for particulars re: their rifles and examples of what they do with them and the how and why. I doubt if you will, but why not prove me wrong?

Come on, make it a little interesting.

My my Lessdog, having a bit of a chit conniption aren't you?

Maybe your mother needs to help you with your spelling too as you seem to be a bit confused on when to use "your" and "you're" in a poorly punctuated sentence.

Fact is, you got bad dope from Ackman and Eddybo did his best to rectify the error. Sadly, to no avail.

If you were truly interested in what a .223AI can safely do you'd have PM'd Stick and he'd have provided you the benefit of his substantial experience with that cartridge. That avenue, I'm afraid, is closed now.

I'd suggest you relax with your favorite beverage, put your feet up, and take in an uplifting movie.

You know nasqam I never had a problem with you.So dont go and try something.

Just wondering what the bloody bucket gang is???

I could careless about a 223AI. I have a 220 swift and a 22-250 AI that are alot better rounds.

That's it? You have a Swift and .22-250AI. Interesting pair no doubt, but surely there is more to the story.

The Bloody Bucket gang thing was just something I did to piss off Larry Root.
He used the symbol as the avatar for one of his numerous usernames and bragged in a PM that he was so clever and that nobody knew what the symbol stood for.
I've known about the 28th Infantry Division and their symbol for a very long time. The Germans in WWII christened the 28th the Bloody Bucket Division for obvious reasons.
I don't know how to change the sig line and another member here set it up for me initially.
No matter, I'm honored to honor one of our great US Army divisions.

Ackmam,

It seems not so curious,that you's suddenly on a mission to distance yourself further and further from all things the rifle...for some reason. Laffin'!

[bleep] hilarious for you to think you were ever "in" anything,except over your head.

Happy Imagination to you.







'dog,

Kudos for being a dumb enough [bleep],to rate "know" as a "big word". I'll feign my "surprise" that you came barging outta the closet,cramming things in your mouth and azz,just as feverishly as you could and rest assured...it weren't my intent to horn you up.

One thing is for certain about you,is that when it's all said and done,there's gonna be a lot more said than done. Do not think however,that your Imagination ain't plum [bleep] entertaining and it's assuredly a [bleep] riot to grant you the opportunity to showcase just how incredibly inept your best is. Feel free to cite the Mall in which you Ninja and perhaps enclose a few pics of your crossed-eyes and "hard charging" ways. Laffin'!

It must really be sumptin' to be a proud owner of a whole 22-250AI and a Swift all by yourself. Don't be ascared to note some of the "particulars" in their regard and again in the interest of side-splitting laughter,hang a coupla pics of same. Use all the Imagination you deem requisite,to try and pull it off. Laffin'!

Just where do you incredibly stupid dumbphucks come from?

Wow +P.









'tue,

You are mean,baiting a hook for her like that.(grin)









nsa',

In her Imagination,she's "great" with words.

And these turd polishing broke dick dumbphucks,perpetually wonder why they cain't get a leg up and why Life is so "unfair".

'Course as [bleep] incredibly stupid as she is,I'm thinkin' she'll refrain hangin' a pic of herself and connecting all them dots in one fell swoop.(grin)

Boxer:

I need some pictures of you cutting down trees - haven't seen those in awhile!!

Thanks Tater Tot!!

Or guns or fish or maybe some pics of kids doing what kids are supposed to do would be cool as well.

'MAG,

Nothin' like the Romance of getting paid to kill 500+ year old victims and basking in the satisfactions of doing daily,what others couldn't on their best days. The sights,sounds and smells alone,are quite a reward. So I savvy your wellfounded fascination and vicarious fixations,as you Dream aloud about things you've never seen or done and marvel rightfully in their magnitude.

I musta missed it...whattya do again?!? Laffin'!

Feel free to return "grandly" amongst the ranks of The Paper Hat Brigade and wax eloquent upon all the things you almost did,with all the wares you almost had and from all the places you've almost been.

Too bad I cain't link Reality to your Imagination. Or hell...mebbe I can. Laffin'!

LINK


You Do Nothing Dumbphuckers...are a hilarious lot.








Eddy',

I'm still on pins & needles awaiting Ackmam's 223AI Plasma Rifle,as well as poor/dumb 'dog's fascinating Tutorial on her High Zoot 22-250AI and Swift.

I've never been around a 22-250AI or Swift,as it seems like they're overbore to me,though I'd like to hear any/all particulars the Clueless [bleep] would care to guess about...if only because I can see where it'd get funnier than [bleep].

Be curious to hear the speeds Ackmam's Imagination could garner,with a platform as sinister as this. Barrel strikes me as bein' lengthy,twist rate ain't "too fast" and The Paper Hat Brigade knows that thick barrels are faster than skinny ones. Laffin'.




Just where do these clueless dumbphucks come from?!!?

All I can add is that my 20 PPC will push 40 gr 4000 FPS and beyond. Unfortunately I made a very foolish mistake last week and blew up the gun. It was a beautiful earlyish Dakota Predator. On a previous outing I was shooting Surplus 8208, but the cases came out covered in soot. In my journal I wrote "geez might need two and a half more clicks"

Now whether that was written literally and foolishly, or frustrated and sarcastically shouldn't have made a difference because that jump too high. After the accident I noticed that the sooty loads were sending them out at 3970 FPS already. That shoulda been a clue the powder combustion wasnt ideal in cool weather but does not mean I should try and find a clean load above all else... (see what hoarding has done?) we risk life and limb because we dealing with component shortfall.

My point is if anything Ackman says is true may god furnish him with hockey goalie mask faced off with Plexiglass as I wish I had. The stuff is very serious and very real but most of all no second chance. Good nite


Tim jurczak

Thankfully you were lucky. Not being careful and blew up a gun, you're the one needs a hockey mask.

Enjoyed the tripping trees segment

Wait until you let a buddy borrow your loading room and he switches the 870 your loading in 7mm/338lapua with some old 8208. I sent one 180 berger 3700ish fps. I knew something was up when the chronograph clocked over 3600. As a rule only one jug of powder makes it to the table where my chargemaster sits. And there was only one jug there, just the wrong one that was almost identical to the one I thought was there. Pressures best I can tell were in the 190,000 psi range. Swole the tennon threads .003.