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Posted By: Redside 358 STA love - 08/25/14
Ok, I had this smithed by Ray Romain a number of years ago but haven't shot it until recently because I've been working on other projects. It loves the Sierra 225 Gameking and doesn't really like the 225 Nosler Partition. Using Reloder 22 I get 3150fps with no signs of pressure.

98 Mauser (Weatherby Southgate)
Mcswirly Olive, Black and Gray
Barrel is a Douglas 26 inch 1-14 twist
Leupold VX-III 4.5-14x40 with CDS
Weight is just under 9 pounds ready to go, I wouldn't have it any lighter.

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I have used the 225 Gameking on a large black bear about 10 years ago and got full penetration so I did a milk jug test today. From about 50 yards away it destroyed four milk jugs and lodged in the 5th. Here is what it looked like

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Accuracy has been outstanding here was my first group with it at 100 yards. The gamekings are on the left the nosler partitions are on the right.

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So I tried accuracy at 200 yards. The three shots on the bottom are gamekings and three above are partitions.

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Can't wait to take it out, look forward to hearing from some other 358 STA fans.
Posted By: beretzs Re: 358 STA love - 08/25/14
I like your rifle alot! I always wanted a big 35. I have a 358 Winchester, 35 Remington, and the 35 Whelen. I figured I needed a big 35 to round out the .358's.

My buddies had my old 338 Win Mag rebored to 35 Newton. Mine is bobbed at 20.5" and I topped it with a Leupold 2-12.

It'll run 225 AB's at 2950 and I am currently running 250 PT's at 2810.


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I really like the big 35's. Yours is the king, but I am having a blast with the Newton.


Posted By: bsa1917hunter Re: 358 STA love - 08/25/14
Originally Posted by Redside
Ok, I had this smithed by Ray Romain a number of years ago but haven't shot it until recently because I've been working on other projects. It loves the Sierra 225 Gameking and doesn't really like the 225 Nosler Partition. Using Reloder 22 I get 3150fps with no signs of pressure.

98 Mauser (Weatherby Southgate)
Mcswirly Olive, Black and Gray
Barrel is a Douglas 26 inch 1-14 twist
Leupold VX-III 4.5-14x40 with CDS
Weight is just under 9 pounds ready to go, I wouldn't have it any lighter.

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I have used the 225 Gameking on a large black bear about 10 years ago and got full penetration so I did a milk jug test today. From about 50 yards away it destroyed four milk jugs and lodged in the 5th. Here is what it looked like

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Accuracy has been outstanding here was my first group with it at 100 yards. The gamekings are on the left the nosler partitions are on the right.

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So I tried accuracy at 200 yards. The three shots on the bottom are gamekings and three above are partitions.

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Can't wait to take it out, look forward to hearing from some other 358 STA fans.



Beautiful rifle. Where was your POA on the green target? Looks like the first group was way low and to the left. Or Is there that much deviation in POI between the different bullets? Beretz, that Newton is too cool too buddy..
Posted By: beretzs Re: 358 STA love - 08/25/14
Yeah, it's worth saying twice, that 358STA is a beautiful rifle and a smasher of a cartridge. I know the big 35's don't get a whole lotta love, but they are impressive hunting cartridges.
Posted By: Redside Re: 358 STA love - 08/25/14
Actually I had just gotten the rifle onto paper so that was my first group without establishing zero yet. A 35 Newton definently is probably the coolest 35 caliber a person can own. I just always wanted a 358 STA after reading Layne Simpsons article those years ago.
Posted By: beretzs Re: 358 STA love - 08/26/14
I know what you mean. I am really loving the Newton. I read alot about Newton's stuff as a young lad and found a set of old RCBS dies for next to nothing.

After I developed the load, I have been doing nothing but shooting from the ground, prone, sitting or kneeling and the rifle is just shooting well for me.

I shot the 1st three with the sling, proned out on the deck. They were just under the bull.

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I added 5 clicks of elevation (200 yards) and shot the next 5. I let one slip out, but I am very happy with the load and rifle.

Not to derail your post at all, cause you have the king of 358's. I couldn't have dreamed up a better set up than what you have.
Posted By: bsa1917hunter Re: 358 STA love - 08/26/14
Originally Posted by Redside
Actually I had just gotten the rifle onto paper so that was my first group without establishing zero yet. A 35 Newton definently is probably the coolest 35 caliber a person can own. I just always wanted a 358 STA after reading Layne Simpsons article those years ago.


I remember reading those shooting times Alaskan articles and shooting times westerner write-ups. I probably still have the magazines. Very good reads, those guys really liked the big cartridges back then. Boddington was pushing them hard and so many guys building cartridges off of the 404 J. I'll bet that STA is a hammer. It looks great too. Good luck on your hunts with it.
Posted By: bearstalker Re: 358 STA love - 08/26/14
Nice rifle! I've always been intrigued by the 358 STA cartridge as well, but I got a Model 70 358 Norma Mag in the safe that has kept me from having an STA built.
Posted By: bsa1917hunter Re: 358 STA love - 08/26/14
Damn, 358 Norma. What more could you want cool
Posted By: Kodiakisland Re: 358 STA love - 08/26/14
I had a STA built on a M70 after reading Laynes articles many years ago. 250grs at 2950fps from a 23in barrel makes an impression on both ends. I have used it on many hunts and have shot many animals with it. Deer, Caribou, Mnt Goat, Moose, Wolf, Bear. Can't say it's a favorite but it sure has gotten a lot of use.

If I was building today, I doubt I'd do the STA. A 358-375 Ruger is probably the route I would go.



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The last pic it is wearing an MPI Hamilcar stock. Great for shooting but not so much for carrying.
Posted By: Redneck Re: 358 STA love - 08/26/14
I built one on a Rem 700 action for myself when I got into this biz.. Was hopin' I'd get a chance to use it on a large animal - but it wasn't in the cards.

That was a good article by Layne. Made me drool... laugh laugh



Posted By: safariman Re: 358 STA love - 08/27/14
Congratulations on a fine rifle in a great cartridge. To be a little different, I went with the same case in .338 for my big wildcat and big critters in AK and Zim have absolutely HATED it, to death.... grin

My fast 33 pushes 225gr TTSX's out the snout at 3100fps backed with a case full of IMR 7828SSC lit by federal 215M's.

But just wait, the little men and thier little cartridges will be along any minute with some chit about BC's and Boolits and placement trumps headstamps and all of thier campfire PC crap. Yeah, BC is good, and placement is critical, but sometimes pure horsepower is useful, too. And FUN! An idea lost on too many here.

If you are going to make a hole, make it a hole to REMEMBER! cool
Posted By: SKane Re: 358 STA love - 08/27/14
Originally Posted by safariman

But just wait, the little men and thier little cartridges will be along any minute with some chit about BC's and Boolits and placement trumps headstamps and all of thier campfire PC crap. Yeah, BC is good, and placement is critical, but sometimes pure horsepower is useful, too.


There should be an award for the campfire's slowest learner.

Little, non magnum cartridges? Not for me or THIS hunt.....
https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbth...ttle_non_magnum_cartridges_N#Post8739685


redside,
Fantastic rifle. And, I'm in agreement on the weight - any lighter and touching that one off would be akin to chewing tinfoil. grin




Posted By: Redside Re: 358 STA love - 08/27/14
Originally Posted by safariman

But just wait, the little men and thier little cartridges will be along any minute with some chit about BC's and Boolits and placement trumps headstamps and all of thier campfire PC crap. Yeah, BC is good, and placement is critical, but sometimes pure horsepower is useful, too. And FUN! An idea lost on too many here.

If you are going to make a hole, make it a hole to REMEMBER! cool


To me this has been my experience with hunting big game. All calibers work. But I've just had many more bank flops using the bigger bores .338 and above then I have had using the .270/7mm and below. They all die but I know typically they are going to run a little further when shot with my .270 on average.
Posted By: McCray Re: 358 STA love - 08/28/14
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My STA, just back from the blueing company.
Model 70 Classic action
Lilja 24 inch barrel
Winchester Super Grade take off stock
Williams Oberndorf style bottom metal
Just over 9 pounds as is with the Swarovsky scope, which will probably get replaced with a Leica
Posted By: KDK Re: 358 STA love - 08/28/14
Beauty!
Posted By: beretzs Re: 358 STA love - 08/28/14
Wow, now that is beautiful! What a rifle!

Kurt, I bet a guy with a M70 300 RUM could make a beauty of a 358 STA, Newton or Norma! grin
Posted By: whitebread Re: 358 STA love - 08/28/14
Beautiful rifle in an excellent caliber.

A few hundred more rounds and my 300WM will be re-barreled in 358 STA.
Posted By: McCray Re: 358 STA love - 08/28/14
Originally Posted by beretzs
Wow, now that is beautiful! What a rifle!

Kurt, I bet a guy with a M70 300 RUM could make a beauty of a 358 STA, Newton or Norma! grin


Easiest way is one that was originally 300WBY or STW. Just rebarrel and rock on!

At one time I had three 300 Weatherbys. Now one is a STA, another is a 375 Weatherby and the most accurate one is still a 300.
Posted By: McCray Re: 358 STA love - 08/29/14
And thanks for the comments!

I built it for African plains game...now if it would just cool off enough to get to the range to finalize loads...225 TSXs and H4350 looks good!
Posted By: Redneck Re: 358 STA love - 08/29/14
Originally Posted by McCray
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My STA, just back from the blueing company.
Model 70 Classic action
Lilja 24 inch barrel
Winchester Super Grade take off stock
Williams Oberndorf style bottom metal
Just over 9 pounds as is with the Swarovsky scope, which will probably get replaced with a Leica
Now THAT'S a rifle!!! OUTstanding...

Originally Posted by McCray
Originally Posted by beretzs
Wow, now that is beautiful! What a rifle!

Kurt, I bet a guy with a M70 300 RUM could make a beauty of a 358 STA, Newton or Norma! grin


Easiest way is one that was originally 300WBY or STW. Just rebarrel and rock on!
THAT... It's why I've stockpiled a few STWs...just in case one has the need.. laugh

Posted By: Redneck Re: 358 STA love - 08/29/14
Here's a factory original (Custom Shop item):

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One of only 90 made... Every time I open the box I gotta wipe the drool off my face.. laugh
Posted By: Scott Re: 358 STA love - 08/29/14
Redneck built mine a bunch of years ago. M700 in a Bansner Sheephunter stock & Douglas #3 countour 24" barrel. Around 7.5 lbs including scope, sling, 3 in the belly. 92gr of RL22 and 225 NP is current go-to load but have some Barnes blue tips loaded to try.
Posted By: woofer Re: 358 STA love - 08/29/14
And detached retinal insurance is how much? Sounds like something I would do.... Good on ya'...

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Posted By: BrandonGleason Re: 358 STA love - 08/31/14
Redneck, those photos make me green with envy every time you post them! Absolutely beautiful rifle.
Posted By: gunner500 Re: 358 STA love - 08/31/14
Ya, same here neighbor, gotta go hang my drool soaked shirts across the damn fence every time I see Rednecks rife, pure sweetness. grin
Posted By: KDK Re: 358 STA love - 09/01/14
Originally Posted by beretzs
Wow, now that is beautiful! What a rifle!

Kurt, I bet a guy with a M70 300 RUM could make a beauty of a 358 STA, Newton or Norma! grin


Pretty sure the guy with said .300 RUM already has plans for something else with it, starting with ".404" and ending in "Jeffery"! That would be nearly as cool as a Newton!

If I ever find a couple of 7 RM or .300 WM donors, one will surely end up at Lee's to be turned into a .340 (the other a Mashburn).
Posted By: Brian Re: 358 STA love - 09/05/14
beautiful rifle!
Posted By: safariman Re: 358 STA love - 09/07/14
McCray and Redneck, WOW, what wonderful rifles in both of your cases. Just perfect!
Posted By: Cowboybart Re: 358 STA love - 09/10/14
VERY Nice rifles!!!
I have always had a love affair with the 35 cal. The STA eludes me as I have a Norma on a 700 and on a 98 action. At this point I don't see a need for the extra 150fps of the STA. But given a chance to do it over again, I think the 700 would be made into an STA!!
Posted By: Kodiakisland Re: 358 STA love - 09/10/14
I no longer see the need for the speed of the STA either. I now run mine around 2850fps regardless of bullet weight. Its extremely inefficient at those speeds but it sure is more fun to shoot. Unless pushing the 280gr A-frames or 310gr woodleighs, I just don't see the need to run it full bore anymore.

Posted By: Scott Re: 358 STA love - 10/10/14
Just ran some 200gr Barnes thru it last night. I weigh about 50lbs less than when I started with it 10+ years ago and was only wearing a light shirt and fleece. Got my butt walloped. Gonna stick to the 225gr partitions as they are more accurate.
Posted By: Redneck Re: 358 STA love - 10/11/14
Originally Posted by Scott
Just ran some 200gr Barnes thru it last night. I weigh about 50lbs less than when I started with it 10+ years ago and was only wearing a light shirt and fleece. Got my butt walloped.
Oh, c'mon, man up... Heavy recoil's good for the soul..

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Posted By: Scott Re: 358 STA love - 10/11/14
Yea, I know. Don't want to lose my man card from whining.
Posted By: 22WRF Re: 358 STA love - 10/13/14
I wonder how something lightweight would compare, like a .325 necked up to 35 caliber in the Kimber Montana
Posted By: Les7603006 Re: 358 STA love - 10/13/14
Originally Posted by 22WRF
I wonder how something lightweight would compare, like a .325 necked up to 35 caliber in the Kimber Montana


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