Has anyone handled or purchased this action? I've had some of his non titaniums actions, but don't know anything about thisin a custom rifle. Thoughts?

my thoughts are it is as good as his standard action and all should be fine with it....Jim is a very meticulous person and likes for things to right

I've been eye-balling his new stuff on his updated website. Thinking about ordering a titanium Alpine for a build, I sure like my other Alpine a lot.

Was actually going to start a new thread about which Ti actions to choose, there are several out these days.

I'd like to see/hear this discussion. The new LPA fuzion TI action is one that has my eye.

To the original question, I've not handled the Borden TI, but if you've owned his none TI actions I can't imagine them being much different other than lighter.

I'd like to hear this as well. It looks to be that Mcwhorter rifles have tried Jims ti action on some of their rifles....just haven't seen them on the forums.

Yup, I've been really looking into that one as well. I recall Calvin saying if he built on a Ti action it would be that one. Between the Borden, Pierce and the Lone Peak Action not sure any would be the wrong choice for a build.

Link?

Skip it... AK has a better link below...

https://bordenrifles.com/tag/borden-titanium-action/

Marty, here is the link to the Lone Peak Ti. Its not as pretty as the Borden but seems like a nice action & decent price.

http://www.lonepeakarms.com/razor-ti

Sure been pondering a Ti Borden for that 7stw Gradous build! The Pierce I have are nice too!

Jim makes a great receiver. It appears that John's is $300 lesser expensive. I think it may be a little lighter.
Quality wise, I would use either. If you buy one you need to do the PVD either on the bolt body or receiver.
I have a Pierce Ti and it is a very good receiver.

Yes 300.00 lesser(Jim @ Pierce), but weight all done up with cuts and recoil lug you're looking @ approximately 1oz and change difference in weight. Spoke with Jim Borden and he said the Timberline is 21 oz and Jim @ Pierce LA magnum is 19.9 without his Ti lug or the standard. This thread have me possibly doing a Bordan depending on my funds 😁!

Of all the 700 clone choices on the market, Echols selected the SS Borden for his daughters rifle.
and Mr Borden will tell you- that the only thing with Ti Bordens, is they are not as smooth as the SS ones,
simply because of the metallurgical nature of Titanium.


However some form of modern hard-coating like DLC over titanium , will deliver a much better coefficient of friction
on bearing surfaces, even better than SS. ...DLC has one of the lowest co-efficient of friction ratings.

But me, based on smoothness level of the rem700 Ti, could quite easily live with uncoated Ti no problem.

Thanks for the information....

Just talked to John. The Pierce Ti receiver with a Ti recoil lug and the new Ti bolt is $1800 and weighs 16oz. The all Ti units are 5-6 months lead time. Ti with the light CM bolt is a 3 month lead time. They are having the bolts treated, but I didn't ask which treatment.

looks like by the time your done you will be at the price of a nula and the weight of a nula roughly

New Ti bolt is interesting short or long action on the 16oz Butch?

For those interested, this is a 700 clone with Ti reciever and Ti bolt.
and was made at least 15 yrs ago, so the idea of an all Ti '700' is not ground breaking.

Be aware one can encounter metal galling issues with Ti on Ti.
Make sure anyone offering such a product has got that issue properly sorted out.
Hence why a differential surface harder steel is typically used for bolts in preference to Ti.

Galling^^^^ is what I'd be afraid of but feel the coating Butch mentioned would minimize if not eliminate it on the Ti Pierce. Starman nice rifle!

Bigamp,

Do you want a Ti bolt cause you are absolutely crazy about saving weight or is it just a feature you want to have
for the sake of having it?...not to talk you out of a Ti bolt, but
Ive handled a 24" barrel custom 4lb 9 oz Rem700 Ti with the orig. factory deep fluted steel bolt.

Anyway if you go the trouble and expense of all Ti, are you going to also get Ti scope mounts?
and Ti action screws?...Ti magazine box? , Ti follower? Ti firing pin?...and why isnt someone making
Ti bottom metal for 700 clones?

No I really don't have to have it, just think the Ti bolt is a nice addition to the ti body!

Only if it had no barrel.

Said it was the LA.

Thats going to be really nice!

Neat thread. Meanwhile I could stand to lose 10-15 lbs.

Is that a 40 degree cat and does that turret make the rifle top heavy?

People can rest assured there are custom Ti700s that weigh 4lb 9oz including 24" barrel with factory fluted steel bolt.
in your case, you really need to leave your village and get out more to learn something about the greater real world rather
than cast your ignorant doubts.

Like to hear the blueprint on that feather-lite. Wonder how it steadied in field use?

I'm at 5 lbs 2 ozs on my sa Ti, could drop maybe 4 more ozs if I dropped it in a Hunters Edge but its already darn light as is. Be interested to know what barrel your using on a rifle like the one you mention??

And you are?

TFF! You, Starman, have no idea you're calling ignorant.

Please continue sharing your ignorance.

Ed

who...who dammit!!! 😜
Now back to the thread. There is too much good stuff in here to be derailed by some stargazer....

Where can I order helium microballons?

Crickets.....

Yes, OM - I too was thinking that was an awful thin bbl.

Bringing this one back around ... been a year, has anyone got their mitts on a borden ti yet?
The LP ti in the classifieds has gotten the mind swirling...never a good thing.

I have a Borden Alpine Magnum in titanium that’s being built at RBros right now and should have it back in a few weeks. It’ll be a lightweight 6.5x47L finished at 22” for backpack hunting.

It’s an excellent action. When deciding on a titanium action for this build. Lone Peak and Borden were the only two I’ve handled that were worth the cost IMO. If you go with Borden, make sure to get it PVD treated - makes it cycle extremely smooth.

Thanks for the post Mark. Out of curiosity, what were the others that you handled that you didn’t think were worth the cost? Mostly interested to know if pierce was in the running.

Sounds like a really nice build - looking forward to seeing pics and specs! What barrel and profile did you use?
Also - magnum action for the longer port?

Yes, Pierce is one that I found subpar and quickly out of the running. There were many machining marks on the receiver I handled plus the bolt was very sticky despite being coated. To be fair, I already have 4 other Borden actions so I was extremely confident with Jim’s titanium receiver before even looking.

The 6.5x47L will be built on a McMillan Hunter edge fill stock, Bartlein 2b contour with 1/2” shank and finished at 22”, Jewell trigger and topped with a Swarovski Z3 4-12x50 scope. Yep, the alpine magnum has an elongated port.

much of the weight saving is in the stock.
Edge is around 24oz..?
Lex Webernick stocks are in the area of 11 oz....do the math.

Lex can and does make a 4lb -12oz .300 Win. magnum on the 700 LA Ti.
Short action chamberings lighter again.




Well you stick with your 'guru' Butch and Ill stick with the material facts of the real world...OK?

Mark,
Interesting comments about Pierce. I know Butch has been happy with them but that is the kind of feedback I appreciate. Thank you.
Seems like a really nice build - what is your target weight?
Keep us updated and pics when you get it please!

I have owned one Lone Peak and used another. They are very good.

Owned three original Rem M700’s. The LPA is significantly better. No tendency to gall, none. And it has an integral recoil lug. Had an ExTreme Ti and sold it, never again.

lone peak arms makes a very very nice action.there titanium was the smoothest of the ones I have handled.jim borden I believe makes the best functional and reliable steel action I have seen.i believe his actions are timed for extraction and possibly ignition.

I just saw that Borden is no longer making Ti actions.



I’ve been on the fence about building off one for months. It looks like my mind has been made up for me.

Butch is one of the most knowledgeable, experienced and sincere people that will put up with the BS on the fire. Please don't run him off. The rifles he has built would be a good basis for a Museum of modern weapons.

Are we talking Ti actions or MaiTai's?

Prairie Gunworks had a nice one. Not sure of the other manufacturers but with an action similar to a NULA seems like you can get within about 6 or 8 ozs or so of the Ti with few concessions with an all steel rifle. Maybe aluminum mounts and bottom metal plus lighter scope.

Seems like many who are obsessed with light weight rifles wear size 40+ pants.

You can hold Butch in a state rapture if you want , just don't expect it of others, and when he is wrong he is simply wrong.
btw; I found my better senses and got through and over the phase of fine grade walnut stock rifles that Butch is still going through.
MY primary interest is in practical hunting rifles not museum piece safe queens, but each to his own.

If anyone want to see and handle a near 4.5lb bolt rifle that Butch thinks can't/doesn't exist , they can go see Lex Webernick
in Texas, or his booth at SCI...He has been making such for many years already.

Is a Ti short action lighter than a Montana 84M?

I dont think so.

No.

Nice thread, I had been contemplating a Ti Pierce in the past, not heard anything bad anywhere in the past on Pierce. This forum is nice to exchange personal experiences, and as some mention from time to time, "YMMV." I have owned Stiller and Borden's - no issues with either.

Before members bash the integrity, experience, or knowledge of a member here, you might give that person the benefit of the doubt. There is a large collective of knowledge on this site. FWIW, I had a BAT that came to me really Jacked up, so anything is possible, and may well be an outlier.

I know for a fact that D'Arcy used a .308 length Model 70 for his daughters .260. I have held the rifle in my hands in D'Arcy's shop.

Maybe I missed this , but then does the safety have to be on the trigger?

Then Id say D'Arcy changed his mind somewhere along the way...If you get the chance ask him about the Borden action he originally had
for the .260 build.

IIRC , D'Arcy mentioned the Borden on the Accurate Reloading forum, which he later swapped for a blued steel Borden.

Picture of it here in one of his old blogs. M70.

https://echolsrifles.blogspot.com/2014/11/taking-next-step.html?m=1

Longer action length, already being set up for a magazine box and cartridge specific follower, more accessible ejection port.

I used a Pierce long action for a wildcat a couple years ago. I could not get the action to cycle while it was against my shoulder. The guy at Pierce told me to choke up on the bolt. I went to Sportsmans and tried several brands after that experience. I discovered Savage, Tikka, Weatherby Mark V six lug (the nine lug acted the same as the Pierce) and another I don't remember worked smoothly while keeping a sight picture. I disassembled the Pierce and sold the individual parts.

That Leupold VX-6 4-24X52 was sure a nice scope.

Edited to add: Borden doesn't do ti anymore.

starman.may I ask your age and who raised you.need to know.i truly don't knor or want to know your issue with butch lambert.but he knows more about anything to do with rifles than you will ever learn.he has his opinions but is very well versed and knows what he speaks.as do so many on here.your just a ignorant jerk off.as I have learned reading the majority of your dribble.

also for what its worth the lone peak titanium is the finest I have used.many fine stainless steel actions.none better machined or timed then a borden.

I have an aquaintance that dearly overpaid for a 700 TI 308 when the market was on fire. I recall 2200 dollars at the time, he would get sick seeing you can buy the action for the Borden for nearly 1700 .

when I was in business I assembled three rifles using the borden titanium action. I called them the cookie cutter rifles. all three for the same client and all in 7/08. for him, his son and a daughter. 2 right , one left, McMillan stocks, hart barrels, jewel triggers and leupold scopes. they all were accurate, reliable and light. they were nice actions to work with and no weird surprises.

I received a Mcwhorter recently built on a Pierce Ti. The bolt handle is a bit thin but I was told it can be switched out if I want. Other than that, the action seems to function just fine. I was concerned before having the rifle built that the Ti action might be too gummy when cycling but it's not.