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Posted By: oldotter First time for everything - 01/24/21
Just got back from the range. The pre war 99R was one in the arsenal. My hand loads shot decent. then shot some FACTORY Remington 150 gr Core Lokts. The 4th one sounded really wimpy, just a pop. Luckily I am somewhat coherent and observant. The factory round apparently wasn't charged. Only primed. To make a short story long, it squibbed. Had I tried to do a next shot, things had the potential to be really ugly. The bullet was barely stuck in the lands, easy extraction. Ruined my Savage 99 outing for the day. Maybe I'll write them folks a nasty gram and splain why I may never buy their product again.
Posted By: Calhoun Re: First time for everything - 01/24/21
Holy crap.. glad you caught that!!!

Seen it happen twice. Caught by shooters both times, fortunately.
Posted By: Rick99 Re: First time for everything - 01/24/21
More important to provide the lot number. How old is the ammo? Remington ammo is now owned by Vista (CCI, Federal, Speers, etc) so complaning might not get to those responible. But notification might save someone else from running into the same problem with worse results. They might ask for the ammo back and replace it with better. I wouldn't shoot the rest.

PS...If you put each on the scale you should be able to determine if any others are no powder loads.
Posted By: oldotter Re: First time for everything - 01/24/21
Bought two boxes from a gent at last years Savage get together in Noxin, PA. Have the Tennessee stamp on the boxes. Lot #R30SV2. Will weigh the remaining 36 rounds for sure prior to the next range outing.
Posted By: gnoahhh Re: First time for everything - 01/24/21
Yikes! Glad you caught it. That'll teach ya to use other people's loads, even loads made by folks in a factory, haha!
Posted By: gnoahhh Re: First time for everything - 01/24/21
Now where's Grogel Deluxe with his Groucho avatar?!
Posted By: 99guy Re: First time for everything - 01/24/21
Zoikes!! eek eek eek
Posted By: texken Re: First time for everything - 01/24/21
thank the Lord you are safe. Ken
Good you were paying attention! Iv had it happen a few times with handguns!
Posted By: damnesia Re: First time for everything - 01/24/21
Had it happen a long time ago when I was 10 or 11. I would not have noticed but I was shooting with my dad ( a requirement when I was that age ). He hollered at me not to shoot, checked the bore and explained what the deal was. Ever since then I pay close attention when shooting because you never know. Glad you avoided an unpleasant situation and good ear!
Glad your ok Jerry. I made a post on the club to let other members know. Strange thing is i have 7 boxes of that same number on my shelf that i had for quite a while. Are we sure that is a certain lot number or is that the actual part number?

Joe
Had it happen with a 454 casull. Scared me white!
I didn't hear the squib. I usually count shots and if i lose track pop the cylinder. This time i had someone talking to me. Loaded the cylinder again and went hunting. Hunted a week and thought to put fresh loads. While doing it i saw crystals in the forcing cone. The primer shot the powder and bullet into the barrel without the powder burning. When i dug it out it was a full charge of lil gun. Relearned that day. Check and check again.
Originally Posted by triple_deuce
Are we sure that is a certain lot number or is that the actual part number?
Joe


Joe I agree, I think that is their product ID. Jerry, try looking on the back of the end flaps.
Posted By: gnoahhh Re: First time for everything - 01/25/21
If I had any of that same lot of ammo I would be weighing each round to guarantee the presence of a powder charge.

Observation/question: How did we get to calling a bullet stuck in a barrel a "squib"? Historically a squib load was a low velocity target/plinking load, and a bullet stuck in the barrel was, well, a bullet stuck in the barrel. Odd how erroneous usage of words worms its way into the common vernacular.
Posted By: Jim585 Re: First time for everything - 01/25/21
About 10 yrs ago I was shooting up the last few rounds from a batch that I had reloaded 30 yrs ago, when I was just getting started reloading.
At the range & doubled up on hearing protection. When it didn’t fire right, my 1st thought was that I had put in a spent brass to practice my trigger pull. But I was pretty sure I had loaded a live round. It was a bolt action, so I easily removed the bolt..........no daylight thru the barrel.
I often wonder what would have happened if I had been hunting with a few deer in front of me!
We’ve all seen it in the shooting / hunting magazines almost on a monthly basis : warnings about potentially dangerous factory cartridges , powder ( spontaneous combust ) , primers , etc .

You’ve got to be naive and ignorant to think that the manufacturers are somehow immune to these dangerous mistakes and manufacturing irregularities .
Posted By: wyo1895 Re: First time for everything - 01/26/21
A friend of mine had a Swedish Mauser carbine blow up when the first round either didn't have any powder or the powder was bad. He was trying to shoot at a deer. He chambered the second round and blew the bolt right out. We found the bolt behind him. We think it went up and over his head. He had soot(?) on his face and was pretty shook up. It was ammo that had been bought with the rifle in the late 1950's.
Posted By: oldotter Re: First time for everything - 01/27/21
Originally Posted by bulkie_roll


You’ve got to be naive and ignorant to think that the manufacturers are somehow immune to these dangerous mistakes and manufacturing irregularities .


People who are paid not to make mistakes are doctors, airplane pilots and ammo manufactures. Yes, it happens, but when it does, it makes lawyers salivate. With todays technology, this shouldn't happen, when lives are potentially at risk. Just sayin.....
A few months ago my friend and neighbor brought his police positive up. He had 4 bullets stacked in the barrel . 32-20. Bulged like my cheeks eating icecream.
Why it didnt split i will never know. Took the sight off bobbed the 6 back to 4 put the sight back on and he was happy. I cried. Damn shame.
Factory Remingtons though they may have been as old as the gun.
He never noticed it. His teenage son noticed the first bullet half way out the muzzle . Lesson learned i hope.
Posted By: Calhoun Re: First time for everything - 01/27/21
Seems a good time to show this again.

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Posted By: 99guy Re: First time for everything - 01/28/21
The same thing could happen with any lot of ammo, in any caliber, made by any manufacturer. Or loaded by any hand loader, I DGAF how meticulous they or you are.

Fast airplanes, fast boats, fast cars and fast women are risky business too. If something bad happens, it must be somebody else's fault. Sometimes bad things happen and it's nobodies fault. It just happens.

Just sayin...
Originally Posted by oldotter


People who are paid not to make mistakes are doctors, airplane pilots and ammo manufactures. Yes, it happens, but when it does, it makes lawyers salivate. With todays technology, this shouldn't happen, when lives are potentially at risk. Just sayin.....


Yes , but the doctors aren’t the ones designing and manufacturing the implantable devices , surgical tools/equipment , etc . Sure , if the doctor leaves pliers inside me after the procedure is done and I live through it , yes he/she will be hearing from my lawyer .

Sure , if a pilot is going to careen towards terra firma at 600 mph from 30,000 ft he’s going to definitely hear from my lawyer if I survive . However , the airline pilots aren’t the ones designing and manufacturing critical jet/plane components .

How about the uneducated machine operator at the bullet/powder/primer/ammunition manufacturing facility who happens to be going through a divorce and is either hung-over from the night before or on psych/nut-pills or illicit drugs ?

The tough part about handloading is most (if not all ) firearm manufacturers disclaim that using any such loads in their firearms voids any warrantees .

With factory ammunition there are identifying properties that they can use to determine conditions that aren’t present in handloaded ammunition . That is why the “ authoritive figures “ in the forensics field state to always save the containers that defensive ammunition comes in ( make , model , date code , lot code , etc ) .

The only caveat to that is most end users of the factory ammunition don’t have a lawyer on retainer ready for this kind of litigation . Most will not even attempt to correspond with the firearm/ammunition manufacturers after an catastrophic event for fear of ridicule or blame .
Originally Posted by 99guy
Sometimes bad things happen and it's nobodies fault. It just happens.

Just sayin...





I must respectfully disagree . Things happen for a reason .
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