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Curious.. Rick99, how many of these do you have in your data now? I have one, David has 2, we saw 2 in Tulsa.. you up to 10 yet?

I sold one of those to a collector that used to be here and he was convinced it wasn't legit. He was a well respected collector and well liked. I was neither and was looked down on for upsetting him.

Tough schit, I was right and he was wrong.

I eventually bought it back from him because he was so butthurt about it. Then I found and bought another identical to it, giving me two. We discussed them here. Knowledge progresses as new discoveries are uncovered but some people can't acknowledge they were wrong. I guess we have put this to rest now.

David contacted me about buying one of them but I told him he would be smart to buy both to avoid being hassled like I was about their originality. Those are the two he owns now. I've seen another one or two but not for years.

8 out of 24 with the EG type forearm.

Rory, can you find out if metal or plastic plate and if it has the filled grip cap screw hole?

I asked. The pistol grip doesn't look like it has a hole in it, I can't really tell on the buttplate from the picture.

Dancing on cmhjohn's grave while claiming victory??

Since John is no longer with us I feel an obligation to help him speak,...

Like I said, he was well liked and well respected and I am not, and some defended him, even though he was wrong about the rifle. Whether you all like it or not, the rifle was right and John was wrong.

I didn't know the man and have no problem with him being a nice guy and well-liked, I'm pretty sure he was, but don't tell me the gun isn't correct and act all pious about it in public. The gun was CORRECT and your friend John was wrong, and I didn't appreciate the unfounded accusations made against me over that rifle.

Funny how those rifles are legit now that David Royal owns them, and they weren't legit when I owned them huh?

Funny how a simple request to return a rifle turned into such a mess, eh?

Look, I'm real sorry for all of your angst, but the simple truth is the rifle was correct and John wanted to argue that it wasn't. He was wrong. He not only wanted to return it on those false grounds, but he wanted to run me in the ground while he was at it.

Sorry, ain't happening.

I did return his money and take the rifle back, if only to appease him, but he could never acknowledge the rifle was correct.

So, judge as you will.

OK, I'll post a post due to my lack of total knowledge of the 99's compared to many here (I'm a PhD compared to 3-4 years ago), but what are we looking at here. When I first looked at the picture I thought there must be something to do with the fact that there is no checkering on either the pistol grip and forearm, but that the forearm tip is of the Schnabel type which doesn't fit not having any checkering at all. Just a WAG on my part. Please inform me, anyone if you would.

Also, FWIW, during my 21 years as a LEO, saw to many squabbles over nothing resulting in 'heart ache and sorrow' and 'the wailing and gnashing of teeth' over trivial matters that resulted in lost friendships and family breakups. Many times worse things happened. You all take care! Just saying! Roger

It's 1960 model 99E - the first style with walnut stock and schnabel tipped forearm. They quickly changed to a rounded forearm, and we've seen only a vew few of these. They used leftover Chicopee Falls receivers from 1959 in the 968,xxx serial number range. Most have a plastic buttplate.

Ah So!!!! Thank you Rory, figured it might be parts from a former model that were used on a newer model or something like that, but ignorant of the timeline and specifics. One of those "Never Say Never With Savage" rifles.

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Savage 94C,

This model was listed in the 1960 catalog with the schnabel forearm but the majority of them have a non checkered F style forearm. Also cataloged with a plastic plate and no grip cap.

Early on the only ones with the Schable forearm were a couple with 1959 LBC and serials. A couple more have shown up with 1960 LBC.

As time went on a few showed up with the schanbel forearm, metal plates and the grip cap area with a filled in cap screw hole. It is this version that FB2 is referring.

The serial range run for around 1800 units and no way to how many receiver were actually in that group. We have seen very few of these 1960 E's.

Who knows what else will turn up. Never say "never".

At one time I thought perhaps since the two I had had that filled hole in the pistol grip, Savage may have reshaped leftover EG buttstocks to make the early E stock, eliminating the grip cap and filling the hole in the process.

However when overlaying the EG and E buttstocks the E was shaped in such a way that it would not have been possible to arrive at the E stock beginning with the EG stock. The E stock was unique and I can only speculate why the grip cap had been drilled for a screw then filled. Would have been interesting to hear the conversation leading to that solution.

"No one told me it didn't get a grip cap."

Good info on the stock shape.

When did the safeties move from the lever area to the top?

1960 for everything but the 99E and 75th Anniversary models.

So, I assume these rifles with the 1959 receivers have the hole for the cartridge counter, unlike the later Es.
We’re the rotors marked with the numbers too?

Yep.. as far as can be seen, the receivers and parts on 99E V2 Styles 1 & 2 are just like any 1959 receivers/parts.

It seems like the change to no cartridge counter was very close to the change from walnut stocks to birch stocks. I'm not sure I've seen a 1961 birch stocked 99E with a cartridge counter, or a 1961 99E with no cartridge counter and a walnut stock. I'm sure there's a few floating around.