Hi, all new to the forum today. I recently recieved a Savage Model 19NRA Serial Number 39,7xx. As you can see from the pictures it's in pretty good shape, not great, but the Rear peep sight is missing. Numrich doesn't have it, and I was wondering if anyone could help me out. Also if anyone knows any history on the gun please reply. I've had a hard time finding anything on it














Thanks for any info, and have a good one.
Andrew

The mag looks to be a replacement on the gun, the original mags had a knob on the bottom. The guns are usually pretty good shooter, I have a few myself.

That sounds about right. I read on another sight that properly leveled, sighted, and in good order it will put up 1/2" groups at 100 yards.

I recieved the gun for free. My fiance's dad gave me that and an old Remington 550-1 Semiauto he found in the attic of his wife's parents house. The semiauto is complete, but I am still missing the rear peep sight, and an original mag from the 19NRA. The mag in the picture I got from www.gun-parts.com. Does anyone have either of these they would be willing to get rid of. (mag, and sight) Also when the gun is re-completed, what can I expect in value. I've heard between $150-$275. As far as I know all the numbers match. Under the buttplate 21721 is stamped into the stock and buttplate. The blueing is ok. The bore is bright with good rifling, and the action is extremely smooth and clean. Thanks all of you this has been the first site I've gotten a reply on

Andrew

I think your rifle was made between 1923 and 1933. Watch eBay and other auction sites. The sight you need runs about $60. The early sight only had one hole in it to hold the sight on, later version had two. The #10 sight (1933 to about 1936) will work, also. Attachment = #10 on the left, what you need is on the right.

Thanks for the information. I'd really like to get one from you guys. you seem to be alot more trustworthy than some of these auction sights. The rear sight might be at my fiance's uncles house. When her grandparents passed alot of the stuff was moved to his house, but it's a long shot. There are two holes in the stock just below the end of the bolt 1.120" apart center to center. I am told were drilled to mount an early model "Lyman 103" tang sight. which is also gone. he could have even traded the peep for the lyman. Good thing too. $60 is an absolute cieling for me. I work 20 hrs a weekend at a bowling alley at $8/hr, and pay over $3500 a semester for college I just passed $4,000 for the year, and I still have to pay rent and buy food. Talk about a champagne taste and homemade bathtub grape wine income. If I can get any help that would be great. I'm just a 20 yr old trying to start my collection. I can damn well tell you my kids will know how to use/shoot guns responsibly when they grow up


On another note, I do have a Model 12 Winchester 16GA. with a Integral muzzle brake/choke that you twist by hand for the setting you want full modified etc that I got from my great grandfather. 99.999% perfect condition I've been told that would bring almost 2k. I think I'd have to be suicidally in debt to get rid of that one though

Savage2005:

Welcome to the forum. Nice old gun. I agree with Tal35, the mag is not original....I'll see if I can find a picture of an original one.

Here is a picture of the sight you need.

Elwood

I had a 1919 NRA like your rifle that I occassionally shot in a 50 ft basement range league when I lived in NH. The triggers are aweful, which seems to be a Savage trait, but the rifle was wonderfully accurate and I could occassionally beat the guys with Spfd 1922s, Win 52s, Rem 37s and Rem 40xs. It sure did upset them when a guy shooting a Savage and the cheapest RWS or Eley ammo that I could find could beat their nicer rigs.

Jeff

Thanks for the pictures, and information. Now hopwfully I can find one for sale from you guys or an auction. right now ebay, gunbroker, and auction arms don't have anything at all, and Numrich wants almost $100 for it and they've been out of stock for 4 months now. maybe one of you can help me out

Andrew

Andrew:

Sorry that I can't help in providing you a sight. The only one I have is on my Model 19 NRA. I'll be attending a gun show next month and will keep an eye open for one. Also, the correct mags are often listed on AA or ebay.

Elwood

I'll put up a post on the Canadian site I belong to, sometimes I get lucky. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Thank you all I was beginning to lose hope. My uncle who deals mainly with pre civil war - WW I era guns couldn't find anything either. He recommended to have a regular leaf step sight fitted to the existing holes for now so as to make the gun operational, but not alter it in any way from all original, so if and when I DO find the correct sight I can just unscrew the leaf, and put the peep right on. Is this a good Idea. The front sight is so high it seem kind of wierd to me because you'd have to adjust it funny, or am I just not getting the picture. But I do know not drilling any new holes in the gun IS a good idea <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Thanks all
Andrew

On another note. On the barrel, about 5 inches up from the rear sight screw hole. there is a screw flush into the barrel. It looks like it came on the gun originally. Does anyone know what that is

Thanks
Andrew

Good question. It is factory but I don't know what it's for. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

PS... the sight at the end of the barrel is the "front sight", sight near the bolt is the "rear sight". <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

duh, my bad. It was about 5 seconds after I got up that I wrote that thanks. Also will any strap work or is it possible to find an original leather one, and wouldn't that make the gun worth more. And does anyone have an opinion on the rear leaf sight for now

Thanks

Andrew

What I would do to shoot the rifle while I looked for a proper rear sight is replace both the front and rear sights. That front sight is really tall for anything other than target shooting, as you've noticed.

Drift the front sight out with a brass punch and install one that is the right height for the temporary rear sight, and you'll be in business. It is important (VITAL) that that you punch from left to right, as the dovetail gets narrower as you move left, and you will destroy your front sight if you hammer it out the wrong direction.

I guess "left and right" could be misconstrued; when I say right, I mean the side the bolt handle is on.

They didn't ship with a sling, only sling swivels. Slings were sold seperate and are not marked.

Other sights are fine as long as you don't mess up the threads or dovetail. Don't lose our front sight, you will need it when you find the correct rear.

You may check with Garry Fellers down in Texas for the sight. He specializes in old metalic sights.

Thanks all of you. I'll have my uncle do it, he knows what he's doing. he managed to take my dad's Colt 1860 Army revolver, unsieze clean and get it working and it doesn't even look like he touched it. He lives in Monroe Michigan, and I live near Nashville TN so I'll have to make a special trip.

Rather than removing the front sight wouldn't it be possible to set a leaf sight up on a few pieces of stamped steel. or would that mar the rest of the finish.

Can anyone give me an estimate of what the gun would be worth when it is re completed With the original mag and sight. I can take a few more pictures. The stock is almost flawless save for a few small scratches. It does need some linseed oil and a good rub down, but what do you expect it sat in an attic in new york for nigh on 40-50 years. The barrel is mostly blue with tints of gray, but no rust.

I'll probably make my own sling for it seeing as I am an Eagle Scout and I learned to sew leather and bend metal and such. I'm probably going to completely break down the gun this weekend. I'll post later on what I find if anything else interesting pops up

Thanks you all, most people wont respond to a 20 year old, I guess they don't take me seriouslt for whatever reason. If ANYONE finds a rear sight please please please let me know I'd be happy to mail out the check first thing

Andrew

I'm just gratified to hear that there is a 20 year old with an interest in guns. There are fewer and fewer of us every day that hang on to the tradition and right to own arms.

Savage2005:

I believe that other hole you are talking about is factory. Mine has one there also. Must be for a target block or something....don't know.

Where close to Nashville? I'm in middle TN myself.

Elwood

I live In Franklin. I lived in Ypsilanti Michigan for the first 9 years of my existance, Then moved to Spring Hill TN after the GM plant in Texas forced the shutdown of the Willow Run GM plant up there. My dad is one of those Saturn transfers offered the job in 88, but we waited till 93 to move.

I actuall have quite a few guns, but I dunno if anyone of them is worth anything

Savage 19 NRA - 1930 ish

Remington 550-1 .22 Semiauto - 1970 ish

Marlin .22 Semiauto. fairly new, early 90's

Various pellet rifles/pistols

My pride and joy baby Model 12 Winchester 16 Gauge. Older than time itself to me. It was my great Grandfathers that he hunted with in his early - late teens. In as close to perfect condition as can be ecpected. I dunno if it's factory, but the choke threads onto the outside of the barrel and looks like a fancy muzzle brake, but stamped into the bottom around the edge there are the various settings full/modified/imp. cylinder and such. It groups really tight with 2 3/4" shells. I usually blow the middle of the target out at the turkey shoot my scout troop sponsors every year.

I am also trying to get an Krag, 2 o3's, and a 1917 Enfield of my grandfathers. He was a huge collector before he passed. There's also a Minty Springfield 45-70 trapdoor up there, but another grandchild already has their name on it.

I also like to participate in the civil war re-enactions. Dressing up and using those old flintlocks and percussion caps are fun. gets alittle hot near your face but oh well.

As you can also tell I like to ramble

Thanks all

Andrew

Andrew:

We're only about 20 miles apart. I live outside Columbia. Were you involved in the re-enactment we had here about a month ago.....up at Spring Hill? Heck of a show. I love those cannons....wish I had one. Be a nice way to wake up the neighbors. I bet if you were in the re-enactment, you dressed in one of those "blue" outfits, being from Michigan and all.

Elwood

Nah I dress In the gray most of the time <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />. My uncle in Michigan has a few of those Cannon. I also have a friend up in Dundee who owns a museum. He has a few also, as well as a gattling cannon you turn by hand from that era.

Where in Columbia did you live. I lived in Spring Hill, about 3 Miles from Spring Hill High School. I'm down near Galaxy Lanes and that all the time.

Andrew

I would guess your rifle will be worth around $300 after you put the $100 worth of parts on it.

I'll take that with a grain of salt. Free gun + Rear Sight/Original mag and handmade leather sling. Looks like this gun was a good choice to fix up. Who know maybe I'll get lucky and have someone to pass it on to down the line.


I don't know much, but did the rifles only come with one magazine with the knurled knob on the bottom. No one seems to have the original. they all have the remanufactured's like I have. If anyone has an extra original that would be great. I have a halfway decent paycheck coming this weekend and I could probably maybe afford it.

Thanks
Andrew

Hey Savage, look what I found!

Is this what you need?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...309&item=7114610546&rd=1

That looks simililar. but the rear hole isn't bigger. What do you guys think. Is it worth buying it and having it cleaned up and re-blued or should I wait for the one in the pictures above with the curved base. I'm looking at getting as close to original as I can.

I also got this reply from the GunBroker.com forums
IF YOU LOOK CLOSE THERE SHOULD BE TWO SCREWS IN THE BARREL IN FRONT OF THE BOLT. THESE WHERE FOR SCOPE BLOCKS (UNERTL TYPE).

Andrew

I don't believe the sight that Mad Dog found is correct for your rifle. Go back and look that the picture I posted earlier. At least, it's not like the one on my Model 19.

About the mag....it's not suppose to extend below the stock. The one you have is longer than an original. With an original, only the "knob" will extend below the stock. Give me a minute and I'll post a picture of the correct mag.

I live about 4 miles from the bowling alley...out toward Culleoka.

Elwood

Here you go.....

That's really cool. If anyone has any leads on an original mag let me know. It makes the gun look so much cleaner.

Thank's Andrew

Here are several and they may have various writings on them. Can't have too many! I'm still short a few for guns.

Geez I wish you guys were this adament about trying to find me a stock for my 1899F!!!

The ones marked "23A... and/or NRA..." would be correct for his rifle. The top second from the right is the early pre 1923 mag (wrong knob).

I

I'd pass on that sight. It looks like a #15 which requires a third hole in the receiver to the rear. It was made for the later rifles (after about 1936).

Is there any way I could get you to sell me 1 or 2 of those mags. I've got my checkbook right here. Thanks alot if you can. I really like the top 2nd from left, and the top far right. I've modified the pic a tad to show you which in case I didn't type it right.



Andrew

P.S. Thanks for all of your help guys. This thing was proving to be a real bitch before I found this board. Yes I also thought the sight looked a bit off, the holes are the wrong size, and the base looked wrong. Thanks for saving me a lot of money,

Also I plan on buying some leather and making my own sling for the rifle. If anyone here's 19NRA has the original sling or a replacement could you post some pictures so I can get an Idea of what I need.

Thanks Andrew

Probably not, only because I have guns for all of them and I am short a few mags myself to have one for each.

Oh ok <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

Well if you get to even par and find a few extras let me know.

Andrew

Andrew,

Might have what you need. PM sent.

Ladies and Gentlemen a miracle has just occured.

I signed up the day after I signed up here at the GunBroker.com forums and posted a want ad. 3 days and only a few views and no replies and today I get this

"I have a peep sight for this firearm, kind of surprised myself on this one. Its in equal shape to your pictures. I am not sure what to charge I have no information to go by.

I saw somewhere in this post the price of $60-$70 was mentioned so I wrote him back and requested some pictures and a reply. I'll keep you guys posted

Then end of my quest may be near

Andrew

P.S. Rick I pmed you back. Thank you everyone for being so helpful

After much scrimping and scraping, and begging and such I finally got some money together from my parents, for my early birthday. (Real is Dec.3 I'll be 21). My new friend and one of yours Rick found a sight for me. It's in the mail, and on it's way here. I'll tell you what I'll be the one blasting the postal service if they screw this one up.

I got my Tru-Oil stock refinishing kit in the mail, and my uncle is going to strip and hot salt blue my trigger guard since it looks pretty bad.

I am still looking for a #5-56 thread screw if anyone has one it is used on the sight to attach it to the reciever. If not the smith I talked to offered to tap it to a 6-48 to maintain the one big, one small screw look.

Heres the sight







I'll post some new pictures in a new post when she's all cleaned up. If anyone has the screw let me know

Thanks
Andrew

That is the correct original sight for the 19NRA and it is perfectly satisfactory for plinking and informal target shooting. However in the 1920s and 1930s the sight manufacturers made upmarket sights for that rifle which screw to the holes on top of the receiver. These show up from time to time on ebay. There was a Lyman 48, a Marble Goss, and a Vaver dial micrometer. These are far superior to the original sight you have and if you are interested you can watch out for them on ebay - there is comparatively little demand for them and they usually sell in the $40-60 range.

Thanks very much. If I find one and have the money I may pick it up. As I said earlier in this post, I am looking to go full original on this rifle. I'm trying to find a period original, or ner "copy" sling to go with it. the leather slings at wal mart looked too fake and crappy

Andrew

that wal-mart statement made me chuckle...welcome aboard 2005.Good to see some young blood.Stick w/that "original " attitude!!!Tell your teacher he should be proud!Buy rifles with CONDITION...CONDITION...CONDITION!!!...Jed

Does anyone have bolt dissassembly instructions or pictures. I put a few spent cases through the chamber, and the firing pin is not indenting the cases in any way. I heard it's a "fun" one to get apart, but it is dooable

Thanks
Andrew

Does the firing pin stick out from the bolt face? I have had several of the bolts apart, you are right, they are not a lot of fun to take apart. You might try a bit of WD40 first to see if the firing pin is bound up.It should move freely on the under side of the bolt.

yeah, I soaked it in liquid wrench for a few minutes then used a high pressure brake cleaner to try and blast it all out. Still too weak. the pin doesnt have any binding or scraping marks on it. It just seems like the spring doesn't have enough "umph"

Andrew

You might also see if the firing pin sear is dragging on the trigger sear area when it fires.

i got one with a serial # 9397 anyone got a date for that serial #

How do you guys find these threads from 2004?

I must be using the search engine wrong or something.

I have some original mags if you are still looking. Your PM box is full.

Wes, are they for a 19-33 or a 1919? Or did they use the same?

do you have some pics of the clips

this was the only forum i saw with the right rifle, i started another if you want to go there

It's no biggy, I actually like reading the old threads, reminds of the good ole days here.

You'll have to wait for Rick99 to show up for a date on your gun. I've got lots of dating info but nothing on the NRA's.

Shoud be a first year production , 1919. Savage was geared up and going strong after the war so production was very hight in 1919.

Joe, they are the 1919/23 model dated and/or early patent dates. I have a 33 with a newer mag. I'm off to a show tomorrow and will try to get a couple pics up next week sometime. I have another chemo session Tuesday and probably will forget.

Ya, it'll kick you in the arse. I remmeber when dad was going through it. Take care of yourself, I'll remind ya later.

Hi Wes:

Looking forward to seeing you again at Jed's this fall. Good
luck at the show & do your best next next Tue.

ps the #15 sight looks real good.

Al

thanks everybody