Well a little over a week i picked up a really nice 1899, special order everything !!!!! 28" octagon barrel 303 caliber,Sheard target front sight,rear sight is a Chas. Daniels pat. July 25,05, and a Savage Lyman 2B rear sight. The rifle s/n is 54541 made in 1905 and i believe all sights were original to the rifle.Special fancy grade walnut stocks with pistol grip,thick hard rubber buttplate, and "B" checkered,factory sling eyes and "SLING" !! with pat.Jan. 12 1897 on the sling. The final best part is factory "C" engraving !!!!!! I have to find out if this is a upgraded 1899B or will letter as a "CRESCENT" grade rifle manufactured in 1905!!! heres a few pictures.

I'm looking for a word here but I'll just go with NICE!

Thank you ,it really is the best savage i own !!! And "HAPPY BIRTHDAY" !!

That's really saying something Don. Quite a birthday present.

Can you imagine how the original owner felt when that showed up? Wow is all I can say! Love that rear sight and long barrel!

That is very neat Loggah. Cool sights! That extra length octagon barrel is a very good look. Just a great 1899.

Gorgeous woodwork and engraving too!

The rear sight is pretty unique,its so fine a notch that it was probably only really good for target shooting,in low light its hard to see. The only other one i have seen was on a model 94 Winchester rifle also made in 1905. Stroebels sight book dont list them either.

That Chas. Daniels sight is in nice shape. Once and awhile I notice beat up ones with the top of the ring cut off or something for sale. Nice to see one that's in good shape.

thanks for sharing, congrats

is that sling the same as they put on the D musket?

WOW!

The long barrel is nice! I have never seen a musket sling! but i know the musket don't use hooks.

Super sweet rifle !!! But Loggah----- from the looks of your collection your birthday must come around pretty damn regular :):):):):) Happy Birthday !!

Good one, we'll put it in Vol. 2. David

Well i do have a few nice guns,but i got another month before its "MY" birthday. actually then i will be getting my money back from "UNCLE SAM" !!!

yea.. what angus said!!

dave

This +100!!!

If you little storage facility is getting a little crowded I could look after that one for you .

WOW

norm

people had good taste back in the day. what a beautiful rifle.
congrats.

plab

Wowsa! That's freaking awesome!

Let's see... thinking trip up to New Hampshire/Maine is possible in June.

Congratulations! Would love to see the history on that.

That should be one interesting letter! Can't wait to see what you find out.

Where did you find that one?

Incredible rifle, Loggah. I would happily divest myself of all things Savage in my possession to own just that one.

That's a Dandy!!!!!

Lucky to be you - congrats.

Dam fine rifle Don, that one has all the bells and whistels! guess its shows that there are some very fine rifles still out there!

Beautiful!

What happened to the beard?

I agree with Plab. Whoever ordered that one back in the day, had a real eye for beauty in metal and wood.

Thanks for sharing! I'm glad to see that all previous owners did not abuse, but rather cherished that rifle.

I got so bored a while back that i decided to shave !!!! You guys wont believe it but it was on Gunbroker !!!! a 90 Day auction with a buy it now,i spotted the second hour it was posted, and it didn't take long to hit the buy it now button. It was expensive,but i think the price would have been double at a auction. The long barrel ,special order guns dont come around very often,so i went for it. I had to replace the money so i sold a mint 1866 Allin conversion Springfield,and a 1876 Colt SAA revolver to get my cash back.

That had to be a nervous time waiting to see if the UPS gorillas killed it.

A Real Beauty....

Special in so many ways and to have gone so many years without being molested in any way. Amazing. And an original sling! That sling survived how long?! An outstanding find. A guy could make a whole collection out of just that one rifle.

I sure agree with this. And what a tragedy it would be for something to survive this long only to be damaged in shipping

VERY HAPPY it arrived safe and sound.

I would have driven to pick it up.

I know that time I got in the checkered 1895 (sanded down, but still how many checkered 1895's do you see?) that Fedex mangled, it hurt.

The wait on this one would have killed me.


I wanna know if he's gonna loan it to LBK next November?

If he doesn't loan it to LBK, I would use it......

You look much younger without the beard. Wife like it?

One of the nicest 99's I have ever seen. What a beautiful rifle.

Alright... if we're all going to take a turn shooting a deer with this one I want to get my name on the list early

I bet it hangs on target nicely with that long barrel.

As for deer hunting with it, please put me on the list too! I'm drawn to using it because I could let my hiking staff back in the truck- it's long enough to double as a hiking staff too! Betcha you never thought of that!

+1 more.

That one is special!

When it came into the gunshop it took me over 10 minutes to get it unpacked, three plastic sleeves and bubble wrap taped up in a hardcase,the cardboard hardcase box, bubble wrapped all around and in another cardboard case!!!! the finest packing job id ever seen,and 2 day delivery. The sling has to be a ultra- rare item ,ive never seen an original sling ,that i know of, but this one is identical to the one in my 1905 savage catalog. the sling has the initials WFW scratched into it,probably the original owner.

If you ever get that wonderful wife of yours into a really good mood, I would love to see some closeups of that sling including any stamps/marks/metal work and ends. I've probably seen another correct sling or two, but not one that I was smart enough to know was correct.

I'll see what i can do, her back is screwed up at the moment i may have to really "BEG" !!

Don - remind her that we all know he is a saint

That is a special rifle Loggah, congratulations. Certainly the centerpiece of any collection.

Your new smooth look is good too.

Cheryl ,took the sling pictures along side the sling picture in my 1905 catalog. You can see by the stitching in the buckle area this is the same.

It would really be something if the factory ledger made mention of the sling It's a long shot but never say never.

we will see! it could have been bought a bit later and installed. But its correct.

Likely will have to change his name to Moses, from what I have seen, Loggah must be 300+ years old. That one is so nice, even my wife would have urged me to hit the buy it now button. (In my dreams!) GW

Add me to the list for a bear hunt with it.

Spectacular! Congratulations. Thanks for giving us a look at it.

Sweet!

Just a simply splendid rifle Don! Glad that its come home to someone that will appreciate it. Damn near didn't recognize you with no beard and glasses.

Really nice rifle. I know that you are proud!

Steve

Thanks for sharing your good fortune with us. I'd venture that the sling is the first and last one many of us will see. Really cool.

Thank God you has some lesser makes to refill the kitty! smiley face

Did the seller have any other Savages to sell? Old family gun, investor cashing out?

Amazing that shows up on GB.

Great pics of the sling, thank you very much for those. Sorry to hear Cheryl isn't feeling well.

Gonna save those pics.. Nice catalog also, by the way!

Took a little bribing to get the sling pictures! This was the only savage the seller had listed,he owns a gunshop. I tried to look up the patent date on the sling ,that was a lost cause! :(Im pretty sure it will take some doing for me to find a better savage rifle,but i probably wont stop looking!!!

That's the heck of it right there, get the gun of a lifetime, of many lifetimes, and still want to look for a better one.

We do have a member around here who is very sharp with patents...

Ya but its not a 22! i actually found a sling patent and i believe the patent is just for the shape and design of the buckle.

Not trying to steal Loggah's thunder, but I had never thought much about slings before this post. Here's the one on my 1916 Winchester 1894 SRC.





Could Win and Savage have used the same leather supplier? Is my sling a Savage on an old Winchester? The mysteries never end. Unfortunately, I cannot "letter" my Win as it's past the SN range for letters so I'll never know.
yooper

It wouldn't suprise me at all,later they used the same sling swivels as the deluxe winchesters used, also a bunch of the sights were the same. That sling is identical to the one on my savage.Nice sling,nice special order 94 carbine.

Thanks Loggah, want to trade? (I tried to put a smiley face "wink" in here, but don't know how to insert smiley's.)
yooper

I got a few pistol gripped 94 carbines all ready! i went out and grabbed a 1914 Winchester catalog, and sure enough the sling they offer is the same one with the patented buckle, maybe i can get Cheryl to take a picture of the catalog page in a bit, shes making bread at the moment and got her hands in the dough !!!!!

A vault full of guns and a wife that bakes bread... would y'all adopt me?!

Very cool find! And neat information on the sling... one more thing to look for!

And it has the Lyman long receiver sight - love these, especially on a '94 carbine

Of course I like them on Savages too:



By the way, Yooper started the thunder stealing! However, Don's Savage is so nice, thunder really can't be stolen from it.

Steve, how many of the lyman receiver sights have you seen on savages ,i have 1 on a 22HP, i know Fug has one, Ralph had one on a rifle for sale a bit ago. I think i know about 10 or so all together, on forum members rifles.Maybe Stroebel will include them in their next sight book !!!!

Don - I know of less than you do. I like these signts a lot. They are most common on Winchesters but I've seen a fair number on Marlins. Do you have an Marlins with this sight? I believe the one I have is the only one I have seen in the flesh.

None on Marlins, got a few on Winchester 1886's,and 1895's. The Savage specific one is pretty rare ,i bought the 22H.P. just because it had the sight on it.

Heres a picture from a 1914 Winchester catalog showing the same sling.

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Steve
Hey that Savage looks familiar?
Steve

On a Marlin 1893! Nice one , this thread has legs !!!

More than likely the same sling from the same common supplier. Very interesting! It'll be interesting to see if your rifle letters with the sling or if the owner put it on later. It most certainly came with the sling eyes. As I said earlier, mine is not "letterable" unfortunately. It would also be interesting to know if Marlin shared the sling supplier with Savage and Winchester.
yooper

Don
All I Can Say is WOW! Looks Like it Just Left Savage.
By the Way, You Look good your self, Looks Like you Lost some Weight. Cheryl Is taking good Care of You.
Congrats on the find. And tnx for sharing the Information.
Steve

How does it shoot?

No clue, maybe after the snow goes, and the mud dries i'll give it a try, the bore is mirror, i guess i should have looked in one of my Marlin Catalogs also to check on the sling.

Ed - nice Marlin!

Stever - yes, I did not buy that rifle new from the factory, a few between me and the original owner.

Don - I was recalling that I too have purchased a rifle because of the sight. I have now seen a scenario where I might purchase a rifle for the sling

Nice rifle for sure, Don. NO I don't want to borrow it. I borrow NOTHING. You guys are WAY out of MY class.

I just figured you would like to kill something with it ! I went and checked a 1915 Marlin catalog i have and the slings are not the same. so it appears Winchester and Savage used the same sling and not marlin.

If you look at the sling hooks, I think they are Winchester and not the Savage. I think Savage hooks have a shorter hook.

That is an amazing gun.

Please share the letter with us.

Definitely!! We're all dying to hear what JTC has to say about that gorgeous firearm.
yooper

I have a sling like this on a 1920, but not the sling hooks. Very cool.

Don,

And here I thought the "Pig" gun held that place... ....Congrats, that is one nice rifle!

Also, how far are you from Amherst, NH? I have a supplier there which I may have to go visit. Usually I avoid traveling anymore like the plague but if not far to your place I might change my mind.

Lynn, I'm about 100 miles north of Amherst,LBK i believe any of the rifles made before WW1 used the same sling hooks as the winchester. The later rifles "R" models with sling eyes used smaller hooks.

I actually have THREE different styles of hooks. I'll try to get a picture up.

Be gone a short bit and all this gun porn appears!! BEAUTIFUL piece of art, Loggah! Nice to see such diverse quality firearms. They could take the time and make them right back then. Nowadays things move too quick for me.

LBK, Do you know if any of those sets of hooks were repo's i have the long and medium ,dont think i have any of the real short ones?? now i got to go paw thru stuff and check!

I have one more set that is on a 23C that are longs. I am certain they came from Dixie. The three in the picture came from members here. The short ones and the mediums I am certain are not repros. The longs I would lean towards reproduction but not certain.

Lynn, we haven't heard from you in a long while. Don't forget about the Savage Fest. Hope you can make it this year.

Don, Skid'er said just what I was thinking as I read through this posting so will just quote him, "Just a simply splendid rifle Don! Glad that its come home to someone that will appreciate it. Damn near didn't recognize you with no beard and glasses. grin"

Interesting that in all the time we have been on the Forum this is the first I remember seeing info on the early sling. The "save" button is getting a workout today.

"I have to find out if this is a upgraded 1899B or will letter as a "CRESCENT" grade rifle manufactured in 1905!!! "

My guess is that it will letter as a Special. I think the Crescent was first listed in the #16 (1907?) catalog and had C checkering vs. B (flame). Keep use posted.

Rick, I sent out for 3 letters today and this rifle was 1 of them. I didn't remember anything specific to the older slings either. I just knew it was a rare bird. My 1905 catalog has a Crescent listed,i'll have to check on the checkering pattern.

My 1905, #15 does not list the Crescent. Might be more that one #15 catalog...?

Rick, The catalog i am looking at is number 16, not sure on the date, but the cover says copyright 1905 savage arms.co. .I looked at the Crescent grade rifle and it does shows type "C" checkering, so i guess your right this may not letter as a Crescent grade rifle. Don

I think that is the 1907. The 1905 copyright on the front is for the design which was used on several issues. The 1905 catalog is #15.

If thats for 1907 which it may be, what catalog did they use for 1906, did they use the no.15 for two years? These catalogs are confusing!!!

The catalog numbers don't seem to correlate with years other than the higher the number the later the catalog. Up to around WWI the catalogs changed only when something new was to be added. Most were not dated. Sometimes only a supplement or price sheet was added. I keep my catalogs in clear sleeves with a date sticker in the corner. Several have had dates changed many times as I find more on the subject.

More on this subject was added to the posting ".410 barrel for Savage 99"

Here is something to help date catalog #15 & #16 - #15 is Jan, 1905 or earlier, and #16 is earlier than Aug 1907.


From #16


My hard cover #15 does not have the 'Screaming Indian' cover bound in it - it looks like it was removed because the back cover is still there, neatly split off at the fold. With the early 1905 date on the inserts it makes me wonder if it had that cover, and if so, if the 1905 copyright would have been on it that early. It is the only example of the #15 I have seen that does not have the Brayton Tubeless Scope marked as unavailable.

So were pretty much saying catalog #15 is used for 1906 as well as 1905. I have a 1899,1900,1903 catalogs these just have dates with no catalog numbers . What was the first numbered catalog? i have #16,#35 and #50 these all have the screaming indian on the covers. seem like a lot of catalog numbers in a short time !! When did they get away from the screaming indian covers? Maybe we need a early catalog thread with cover pictures. Don

Les used to have a bunch of catalog covers up at www.savagela.org, but he let that site lapse.

www.savage99.com has a bunch of catalog covers shown.

Rory, Thats pretty good, but theres one hellova bunch of gaps there. I guess ill go out and look thru mine and see if i have any fliers with dates in them to get better dating on them.thanks

I thought 260remguy had a bunch of catalog stats?

He must be out of pocket??

Mike, I think his are more after WWI.

That is one of the most beautiful guns that I have ever seen. Nicely done!

Sorry, I meant to attach this to Don's catalog thread....
For what it's worth, these are all Cornell reprint covers.
Year and/or catalog number provided.
I don't know if this is a re-hash of existing info or may contain a missing link. If you have a question about specific content, let me know and I'll dive in.






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Rick, Cornell sometimes is not always 100% accurate in their reproductions, some of the covers have things added - original covers seldom had the date on them. I have some of their reprints for other gun companies where they made up a cover (like a Union Firearms catalog with a Winchester shotgun on the cover). They had originally sold the Savage #35 reprint without the cover and said they did not know it was missing.

Thanks Gene, point well taken. The reprints should be taken with a grain of salt as they are reprints vs. authentic.

All of the catalogs i have are original, and some of the cornell covers for the same catalog aren't the same. I think the price lists give a lot more info and a better time frame then the catalogs themselves do.I know i discovered or maybe rediscovered!! a bunch of information checking thru old price lists yesterday.

Here is a list of catalogs starting with #15. If you see something you question please speak up:
15- 1905

16- 1907, Has TD;2 pages held for 8/1/07 (pistol?)

17- 1907 or 1908, Has TD; has 1905; no 1909; no pistol, reloading or powder info; smaller size catalog

24- 1910, Separate flyer dated 1910 w/glued in 1909 picture. Might have used the same catalog 1909?

35- 1911; letter 5/10/1911; new 1909; new featherweight TD w/interchangable brl; has pistol.

40- 1912; same as #35 but with added page 12a,b,c&d; new 22 High Power and 1911.

50- 1913? I don't have this one. Would like to know how it varies from #40 and #55

55 & 55A- 1914 Don't know what the difference is. I only have the 55A.

57- 1915

60- 1916; price list of 7/22/16 references Catalog #60

60 Supplement- 1919; Dated 12/5/1919 (after WWI)

61- 1920/1921, No reference to the .300 Sav. round in catalog but I have price lists with and without the .300 Sav. but no Model 1921 listed.

62- 1922; lists the Model 1922; specifies that you are to use the letter call out when ordering but still shown as the "1899"

63- 1924; Model 1914 stamped out
Jan 1927 price sheet
May 1927 price sheet; catalog has 1920 over stamped "discounted see flyer..." insert Model 1926
Note: the pl still has special order engraved rifles listed.

64- 1927/1928(?), not marked (have photo catalog w/Jan 1928 PL); white, Indian pointing rifle; some models raised ramp.

65- 1928,(have photo of a Jan. 1928 PL)(I have a 1929 copy, PL Jan 1929); raised ramp except 99-H; added 40/45 &.30-06 ammo; new paddle style case avil w/99-F,G &K, prior only 99-G .300; probably `28,`29 `30 versions, 1929 the model 25 disc stamp.

Others might not agree on all dates. I learn something new every time I go through them. There seems to be some overlap among catalogs and price sheets. It's not easy to tell if like
catalogs are equal or different without going through page by page.

Thanks Rick99. Good and useful info.

Tossing out a thought, if possible members bring catalogs to Savage Fest '14. Could set aside some time for a "catalog work shop" to further develop the catalog data base.

Wyo1895 - is there chapter in your book regarding catalogs?? Vol. II??

Rick & Rick -

There are at least two versions of catalog #24, one is marked 'SECOND EDITION' at the bottom of the first page (which is not numbered). In my 'first' edition there is an un-numbered page with a testimonial glued in on page 13 that is blank on the back, there also is a loose sheet marked 16A & 16B that has the 'NEW LIGHTWEIGT TAKE-DOWN ON 16A an the 'NEW MODEL 1909' on 16B. These pages are included in the second edition but in a different order, also the color is different on the testimonial page.

Also shown is a #55 � this catalog is the only one I have seen that shows the optional thick spur cocking arm for the pistols.



The only differences I see in #50 from #40 (top) is that the Model 1909 is dropped, the �NEW� Model 1912 takes it�s place, the Model 1911 is not longer 'NEW", and the pages on the pistols are changed (also #40 apparently must have seemed much tastier to mice � haven�t yet done a taste-test myself).

WI Rick,
I like the idea of a Savage catalog workshop session at the upcoming fest. I think we could all learn something. We reproduced the 1897 catalog for the 2010Fest and it was very popular. Still receive requests for copies of it yet today. That was made possible by three members here (Fug, Bill McNally and John Allen) being willing to share (at no cost) their old original catalogs and doing the work necessary to reproduce it for sharing. It would be great to have a handout or "sticky" with photos and dates of all known original Savage catalogs. It would of course be a work in progress as more and newer material becomes available. Perhaps working and cooperating as a group we could produce something accurate and professional enough for David to add it to his book with little or no additional work on his part.
JW

Thanks John. Yes, lets individually and collectively give the matter some additional thought. There is no shortage of raw material among members it appears. What to do with it and how to do it are two questions. Seems it would be nice to have an overall cross reference guide, similar to what Rick99 has provided above. Might be nice to digitally record any/all and especially some of the more rare items also. Plenty of time between now and Fest/Sept. but it'll go fast. I think a "sticky" is a great idea for starters to gather ideas, who has what and willing to contribute, who may have the ability to photo-shop the raw material, ect.
This is probably a project unto itself. Sorry I lumped David in my previous post. He's probably up to his armpits in alligators with the book project.

Gene, I must have an earlier 1st version. It has the glued in page but the TD and 1909 info is on light blue printed folded sheets that are loose inside the catalog. I wonder if the original had the glued in page?

That is gorgeous. They really knew how to make a rifle stunning but not too showy.

I like the idea of making a list of catalogs with there variations and dates as a Fest handout. This is something that could be done earlier via PM or e-mail between those that want to do the work. The older catalogs tend to fall apart. I don't know that I would want to try to do this at the Fest. Too little time and too much else going on to miss out on.

The original older catalogs can be rather pricy ($100 to over $1000) and I don't think we should make copies too freely available. Mid-30's and later not so concerned about.

Rick, Unfortunately all but a few Savage Catalogs, including the early ones, are already available as re-prints and we could buy them for less than we could make them. The option would be to make a reprint of one that is not available... yet, ... and that would have to be an early one... and if Cornell ever gets their hands on a copy they will certainly make a re-print of it.

Rick, I think your #24 (first edition) is earlier than mine because the loose page with the Model 1909 in mine is the finished page that got added for the second edition.

Loggah, I am starting to feel we have hi-jacked your thread, sorry for that, I just hope you find the info helpful even if it is off from your original subject.

I don't mind at all, but i think if a new catalog thread was started there would be a lot more talk about it,and info gathered. I would think price lists thru the years would be very important also.

I didn't see these on Cornell:
1895
1896 (don't know if there is one)
1897 (Savage Fest printing)
1898 (don't know if there is one)
1899
1902
1904
#16
#40
#50
#55
#55A
#57
#60 Supplement

Who is Joseph T. Vorisek? I see his name on one of the publications. Is he only published on Cornell?

He was an arms historian/writer. Some books on Amazon, more on Cornell. His Savage history is general and decent, not as detailed as Murray. Doesn't totally agree with Murray naming convention.

FIREARMS BOOKS BY JOSEPH T VORISEK

Joseph Thomas Vorisek was born June 15,1944 in New Milford, Connecticut. Joe graduated from Central Connecticut University with a B.A. in Business Administration and received his MBA from the University of Connecticut. He was employed by the Travelers Insurance Company for 26 years before retiring and starting his own business as an Insurance Consultant. Married for 40 years to Shirley Vorisek, he was the father of two daughters.

His enthusiasm for firearms began when he was a teenager. He was interested in firearms marks and makers, finding them fascinating and an art form. As a young man living in the Litchfield Hills of Connecticut he hunted deer and birds. He continued his love of the sport throughout his life. His in-depth research began early and lasted his lifetime. His studies made him an expert in the field of antique firearms. Joe was a lifelong member of the NRA, as well as many local gun associations. As the years passed, his active involvement in shooting waned while his dedication to research grew. In addition to his many books, Joe wrote the Shotgun Newsletter for many years and had articles published in various gun magazines. He was a friend and colleague of Charles E. Carder who researched many of the same subjects. Joe's death on December 25th, 2005 left a deep void for family, friends, collectors and history buffs.





BOOKS:
American Arms - History of an Arms Maker by Joe Vorisek
Belgian Gunmakers with Trademark Names 1909, List of
Breechloading Shotgun Old Parts Chart
Breechloading Shotguns 1860 -1940 Set of all 3 Volumes - Vorisek
Breechloading Shotguns 1860-1940 Vol. I A-F
Breechloading Shotguns 1860-1940 Vol. II G-P
Breechloading Shotguns 1860-1940 Vol. III R-Z
Breechloading Shotguns, Listing of Observed
Canadian Gunsmiths 1650-1900 & London Gunsmiths 1850-1900
Crescent Arms Trade Brands
Digest of Advertising for Firearms and Ammunition 1873-1940
DWM Headstamp Codes The Flobert Gun - History
Forehand Arms Company, An Illustrated History of the
Handgun Trade Brands, U.S. Mfrs & Dist. 1865-1930
Harrington & Richardson Arms Co., A Short Illustrated History of
Hopkins & Allen Arms Co. Fifty Years of Gunmaking 1867 - 1917; Vorisek
Iver Johnson Arms & Cycle Works, A Short Illustrated History of
Savage Arms Company History
Shotgun Markings Guide 1865-1940
Stevens Arms Company History by Joe Vorisek
List of Peoples Names and Where They Worked in the US Firearms Industry (pre 1940)
O.F. Mossberg & Sons, A Short Illustrated History
A Basic Reference Guide to Old Firearms (Serial Nos. etc.)
Belgium, Shotgun Making in (A Short History)
Breechloading Shotgun Identification Illustrated Guide

To answer a couple questions -

Loggah, looking at my catalogs it appears that separate price lists were first used with cat #60 and it was only a supplemental list because the catalog had everything priced. I think catalog #61 is the first that did not have any prices listed in the catalog.

Rick - I have not seen a 1902, 1904 or a 55A, is the 1904 about the same as a 1903 but with out the date? Does the 55A have the same cover as the 55?

Rick & Rick, I had skimmed through a copy of Joe Vorisek's 'Savage Arms Company History' that Stever had at the Ohio Fest. I found it very inaccurate for information on Savage 22 & Shotguns - I did not look it over closely to see how well he did on the 1899/99's. I did buy a copy recently so that I could address some of the inaccuracies I believe it has. His information about the Meriden Arms 22 and 12 gauge slide-actions and the relationship to Savage models is completely wrong. I personally would not suggest it as a reference - I will bring my copy to the Fest so anyone can judge for themselves without investing in a copy. I have not seen his 'Stevens Arms Company History' but I have been hesitant to buy one based on what I found with the Savage book.

I just went out and took inventory of my Utica catalogs,and price lists, heres what i have.

1899
1900-1960 repo
1903
#16 1907?
#24 2nd edition repo.
#35
#50
#55A
#61
#62 1922 with price list
#63 Natures rogue gallery and price list 1923?
#63 Grizzly bear with price list ,and 12-10-24 letter
#65 with Jan.3, 1928 price list
#65 with Jan,2,1930 price list,also the new savage repeating play rifle flyer,also model 20 and 25 discontinued stampings
#66 1932 ?
#68 1934 Mar.1 1934 price list
#69 1935 with the prices all penciled in.
#70 1936 Nov.25 1936 price list
#71 1937 Feb 1 1937 price list
#72 1938 Jan.3 1938 price list
#76 1946 Nov 15 1946 price list

Maybe some of this will help date catologs. Don

The 1902 and 1903 have the same cover. My 1902 is dated on the 1st page. There are at least two versions of the 1903. One with the 1902 cover and dated inside. The other is the same but with a "1903" date on the cover.

The 1904 is small like a #35, has a red cover with an Indians head facing left and two feathers in his hair. I've only seen two copies and one did not have a cover.

I got 2 1903's i guess i better look thru them.

Been out of the loop for a couple days. A supplement on the catalogs would be a great addition to the books. I am mentioning the catalogs frequently especially errors but including pics of interesting covers and photos that they used for promotion such as the tiger killed with the .22 H-P. David