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Posted By: KeithNyst Savage Proof mark SP - 01/16/18
Does it mean the whole rifle succesfully passed a firing test, just the barrel, or something else?


Posted By: Fireball2 Re: Savage Proof mark SP - 01/16/18
They loaded that sucker up hot and let er rip, and she survived.
Posted By: Calhoun Re: Savage Proof mark SP - 01/16/18
My understanding is that they fired each and every gun, and that stamp came after.
Posted By: kiwi Re: Savage Proof mark SP - 01/18/18
https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/gallery/80/medium/62810.jpg
Many thanks Kiwi !!

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Posted By: Calhoun Re: Savage Proof mark SP - 01/18/18
Very cool find! Thanks for sharing!
Posted By: gnoahhh Re: Savage Proof mark SP - 01/18/18
Yet another reason for my liking of hanging out here.
Ok, now that it is established that the SP indicates that the rifle was tested, what da ya say we wrangle over whether or not the SP stands for "steel proof" or "savage proof"? whistle

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Posted By: Poconojack Re: Savage Proof mark SP - 01/18/18
Originally Posted by Southern_WI_Savage
Ok, now that it is established that the SP indicates that the rifle was tested, what da ya say we wrangle over whether or not the SP stands for "steel proof" or "savage proof"? whistle

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Not sure if it's the same with Savage, but the superposed Winchester WP is the definitive Winchester Proof mark....
Posted By: Calhoun Re: Savage Proof mark SP - 01/18/18
two phrases there, not one.

"HI-PRESSURE STEEL"
"PROOF TESTED"

So "SAVAGE PROOFED" still applies in my mind. If not, explain the SAP the used for a while. grin
Ok ok, Savage Proof it is. smile
Posted By: olgrouser Re: Savage Proof mark SP - 01/18/18
Great addition to the files - thanks Graham.
Posted By: gnoahhh Re: Savage Proof mark SP - 01/18/18
Boy, there would be a job that would try my love of shooting- proof testing rifles 8 hours a day, day in and day out. I wonder if Savage did the firing at the factory or trucked them to an off-site facility? I don't suppose they gave them a cursory accuracy test, did they?

I saw a pic of the test firing shack belonging to the Springfield Armory, a few miles outside of town, where they tested each M1903 Rifle for function and accuracy. It was a long enclosed room with many benches and shooting ports. The floor was literally ankle deep in spent cartridges. The story was that the employees who did the testing (none of whom displayed evidence of hearing and eye protection in the pic, and who did this all day every day) had formed an after-hours club where they got together on Saturday's at a local shooting club and, you guessed it, engaged in target shooting. Jaysus, those guys were beasts!!
Posted By: Longbeardking Re: Savage Proof mark SP - 01/18/18
Originally Posted by gnoahhh
Boy, there would be a job that would try my love of shooting- proof testing rifles 8 hours a day, day in and day out. I wonder if Savage did the firing at the factory or trucked them to an off-site facility? I don't suppose they gave them a cursory accuracy test, did they?

I saw a pic of the test firing shack belonging to the Springfield Armory, a few miles outside of town, where they tested each M1903 Rifle for function and accuracy. It was a long enclosed room with many benches and shooting ports. The floor was literally ankle deep in spent cartridges. The story was that the employees who did the testing (none of whom displayed evidence of hearing and eye protection in the pic, and who did this all day every day) had formed an after-hours club where they got together on Saturday's at a local shooting club and, you guessed it, engaged in target shooting. Jaysus, those guys were beasts!!


I have been led to understand that there was a building, at least in Utica where they test fired/proof tested the firearms. On the right side of the picture between the chimneys and the building, you can see where there was a foundation to a long rectangular structure. Just a gray line in the snow. Supposedly that is where it was done.


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Posted By: Calhoun Re: Savage Proof mark SP - 01/18/18
Pretty sure I've seen a picture of a guy standing in front of the test firing area in one of those magazine articles about how Savage 99's were made.

Someday I'll organize my stuff to make it easy to search. Ha ha ha ha ha..
Posted By: GeneB Re: Savage Proof mark SP - 01/19/18
Here is an article mentioning testing from 1909, it suggest at that time it was done in the same building as final assembly - from the fourth floor .. "they are then taken by elevator to the shooting gallery....".

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Here are some later pictures of the plant that still show the building that is now gone and it does appear to have four floors, I do not know which buildings would have been there in 1909.

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Posted By: KeithNyst Re: Savage Proof mark SP - 01/19/18
Great read, Gene. Thank you for sharing.
Posted By: gnoahhh Re: Savage Proof mark SP - 01/19/18
Indeed.

I would beg for a chance to watch that Adriance Machine Works machining center chew out a receiver from a chunk of steel.
Posted By: norm99 Re: Savage Proof mark SP - 01/19/18
great stuff and info guys ,,keep it up.

norm
Posted By: Longbeardking Re: Savage Proof mark SP - 01/19/18
Originally Posted by GeneB
Here is an article mentioning testing from 1909, it suggest at that time it was done in the same building as final assembly - from the fourth floor .. "they are then taken by elevator to the shooting gallery....".

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Here are some later pictures of the plant that still show the building that is now gone and it does appear to have four floors, I do not know which buildings would have been there in 1909.

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That long low building next to Bleecker St. is where the testing took place to my understanding.
Posted By: kiwi Re: Savage Proof mark SP - 01/19/18
Since the U.S. has no proofing houses (as in England, France, Germany and other European countries), most U.S. manufacturers voluntarily proof their firearms with a specifed style of proofmark (i.e. the interlocked ©WPª synonymous with the Winchester trademark can be fired using modern smokeless powder) shell
Posted By: kiwi Re: Savage Proof mark SP - 01/19/18
I do agree, some great info here, thats why I keep checking in each day
Cheers
Originally Posted by gnoahhh
I saw a pic of the test firing shack belonging to the Springfield Armory, a few miles outside of town, where they tested each M1903 Rifle for function and accuracy. It was a long enclosed room with many benches and shooting ports.

BANG!
The Springfield 1903 - William Brophy

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Posted By: wyo1895 Re: Savage Proof mark SP - 01/19/18
Great info! The next time I go to Cody I'll take this article along to look at when I visit the Savage factory display. David
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