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Posted By: BCHunter666 Antelope bullet - 07/05/20
Going on first antelope hunt this year. For all you experienced guys, what bullet do you like in a 308 win. I know they are not hard to kill but I don’t want to blow up a ton of meat either. Suggestions.
Posted By: super T Re: Antelope bullet - 07/05/20
BC, 150 grain Nosler BT.
Posted By: Judman Re: Antelope bullet - 07/05/20
Ummmm, you could load my dick and kill a antelope...
Posted By: szihn Re: Antelope bullet - 07/05/20
Because I don't like to loose meat, I use the same bullets to kill antelope as I do to kill elk most times. I like some expansion, but not any "blow-ups" .
But any 30 cal hunting bullet from 125gr and up will work to kill them.

Last years I killed my antelope with a 270 with a 150 grain Round Nose, one with a 140 grain Hornady Flex-Tip from a 300 Savage and one with a 156 grain PPU bullet from my 6.5X54 Mannlicher. All were instant kills and all did very little meat damage.
In the past I have killed them with many different guns and bullets, and none got away, but for me personally I don't like to blow them up much.
Posted By: Gooch_McGrundle Re: Antelope bullet - 07/05/20
Originally Posted by Judman
Ummmm, you could load my dick and kill a antelope...


Ain’t the minimum bore size .24?
Posted By: Judman Re: Antelope bullet - 07/05/20
Over 40mm
Posted By: BCHunter666 Re: Antelope bullet - 07/05/20
Originally Posted by szihn
Because I don't like to loose meat, I use the same bullets to kill antelope as I do to kill elk most times. I like some expansion, but not any "blow-ups" .
But any 30 cal hunting bullet from 125gr and up will work to kill them.

Last years I killed my antelope with a 270 with a 150 grain Round Nose, one with a 140 grain Hornady Flex-Tip from a 300 Savage and one with a 156 grain PPU bullet from my 6.5X54 Mannlicher. All were instant kills and all did very little meat damage.
In the past I have killed them with many different guns and bullets, and none got away, but for me personally I don't like to blow them up much.


Thank you. A serious question finally got a serious answer. Makes perfect sense, so maybe just a 150 or 165 Hornady is fine. Trying to avoid the SST and others that seem to create a very big hole
Posted By: handwerk Re: Antelope bullet - 07/05/20
Although I suspect most bullets will work, I am a Barnes fan so my pick would be TTSX or LRX
Posted By: Filaman Re: Antelope bullet - 07/05/20
Never shot at an antelope, YET. But I would think anything that would kill white tail deer would be good. .270 130 grain SGK or 130 grain Nosler Ballistic Tip. However, I'd like to get one in the sights of my .250 Savage with a 115 grain Combined Technologies Ballistic Tip.
Posted By: szihn Re: Antelope bullet - 07/05/20
Yes BCHunter.
In fact the 165 flat base inner-lock is what my wife uses 100% of the time for her deer and antelope bullet. She shoots a 30-06 at about 2650 FPS with that bullet and with that load in the rifle I made for her, the accuracy she's getting at 100 yards gives her 5 shot groups under MOA. Old fashioned, but I have no complaints so far, and I have used 165 Gr flat base Spire Point Hornady's from various 308s and 30-06 for about 40 years now. My wife Anna is a minimalist when it comes to her hunting guns. She likes guns and has several, but for her hunting she got to a point she wants ONE and so she uses the Mauser in 30-06 for everything, every kind of hunting from antelope does to bull elk, and she will use it for Moose too when we go after them. For deer, antelope, prairie dogs, practice on steel targets, coyotes, wolves, raccoons and skunks and nearly all things that "need to be shot" she uses her 30-06 and that load.

For elk we just load the same weight Nosler Partition, in the same brass with the same powder charge and the groups lay right on top of the Hornady load.

I also have not had a lot of SSTs hold together well in 270, 257 and 8mm, but a friend of mine shot some antelope and deer with 165 gr SSTs from his 308 and I had to admit, the performance with that particular bullet from his 308 (chronographed at 2680) was excellent. I also know 2 men using 30 cal 180 gr SSTs and doing well with with them also. Maybe the 30 cals are a better combination for jacket thickness and core diameter when shot at 308 and 30-06 speeds. Others should chime in here if they have 1st hand info.

I have not used them myself in my .308s, 30-06s and 300 mag just because of the results I got in 257, 270 and 8MM, (Side note, the 170 gr 8MM is just fine for deer and antelope, but comes apart too soon to go as deep as I want an elk bullet to go. I did kill a 5X5 bull with them and got it done, but I won't try them again on elk)

But I will give credit when it's due. From the kills I have seen with that particular 30 cal SST bullet so far, I would not talk you out of using it.

30 caliber Bullets I have used for deer and antelope that I know are good from personal experience: (some were used on elk too)

Winchester Power Points in both 150 and 180 grain.
Hornady 165 and 180 grain Spire Points and also Horandy 150 grain Round Nose.
Sierra 180 grain round nose.
All Nosler Partitions in all weights they make, and Nosler Accubond in 150 165 and 180 grain weights
The OLD Remington Core-Lokt in both 150 and 165, but the newer ones are made with lighter jackets, so I reserve judgement on them. I bought many thousands of them from the 70s and those were really good, but I have seen shots made with those made in the last 20 years and many of them came apart, some on small deer, so I am not willing to recommend the Core-Lokt anymore without more info. Maybe John Barness can tell us more?
Barnes 130 grain and 150 TSX
Speer Grand Slam in 165 grain and also their Gold Dot bonded bullets in 168 grain. ( the Gold Dots were used by 2 friends, not me. I was next to them at the times of the kills and they worked great. I did gut and butcher the deer for them and I'd say the results were perfect.)




Posted By: elkhunternm Re: Antelope bullet - 07/05/20
Any cup & core bullet in the 150-165 grain class.
Posted By: rickt300 Re: Antelope bullet - 07/05/20
Antelope seem to be one of those animals that you really need to keep your bullets out of the eating meat. Seems whatever you use if you hit shoulders high you will lose a lot of meat.
Posted By: CasualShooter Re: Antelope bullet - 07/05/20
130 ttsx would be a good choice.
Posted By: HuntnShoot Re: Antelope bullet - 07/05/20
Originally Posted by rickt300
Antelope seem to be one of those animals that you really need to keep your bullets out of the eating meat. Seems whatever you use if you hit shoulders high you will lose a lot of meat.

Yep. I was told when I was young to keep the bullet off of the shoulders. They already don't have a lot of meat on them, and my family like to eat antelope. I was also told that antelope run for a ways when shot well. It hasn't ever been a problem, given the open country. I haven't been after antelope for several years, but only one out of the dozen or so I've shot or seen shot dropped at the shot (through the ribs, top of heart, double-lung with a 243 and Remington yellow box). My step-brother's first antelope was hit low in the chest, squaring up and pulverizing the heart from about 175 yds with a 243 and Winchester white box. It ran over 400 yds.

Just about any bullet will work just fine, I'm sure. Antelope are thin, so any bullet out of a 308 impacting approximately broadside is going to exit. If I was working up an "antelope" load in 308, I'd pick a soft, rapidly opening 165-168 gr higher-BC bullet because of the likelihood of stiff or varying wind. That's just me. I don't think you could go wrong with ANY pointed, expanding bullet from 110 to 220 grains.
Posted By: DonFischer Re: Antelope bullet - 07/05/20
I believe there is one best bullet for each cartridge. For the 308 I used the Hornady 165gr flat base spire point/interlock for years and never a complaint. Someone mentioned a 150gr and in a 300 Savage a 140gr bullet, i'd stay away from any bullet under 165 gr. Not that they won't kill but their lack of weight and higher velocity make them more likely to do much more damage that you seem to want to avoid. If I were going to go with something other than a 165gr, I'd go up to 180gr. Keep mass up and velocity down. If I wanted to go to a lighter bullet, I'd also go down in caliber. 150gr bullet I'd drop to a 7mm but not a magnum. Only time I have ever blown up meat in an animal was when I lusted for velocity and ended up using to light of bullet's. I somehow doubt that if you go to monolithic bullet's you'd have the problem or at lest not as bad. All the magic of monolithic bullet's can be overcome by heavier bullet's and lower velocity. I recall a rabbit I hit with a 22 mag years ago in the shoulder with a 40gr bullet, not HP. Completely destroyed the front of the rabbit. Simply to much velocity. Huge downside to higher velocity and lighter bullet. I strongly suspect that even with a monolithic bullet's the lighter for caliber bullet's will ddo more damage for no other reason than the increase in velocity.
Posted By: elkaddict Re: Antelope bullet - 07/05/20
I’ve killed them with everything I hunt deer/elk with (340wby, 300wby, 300wm, 06 and a MZ. If you’re worried about meat loss, stay away from the shoulder. Personally, in 308, I thing 165g Interlocs would meet your criteria perfectly. For what it’s worth, if youR focus is on the meat, get it gutted/skinned and on ice as quick as you can. In my experience, antelope is outstanding if you can cool it down quick enough. We literally hunted with big coolers/ice in the back of the truck. If you don’t, you’ll be missing out on tender delicate meat. It seems to go south a lot quicker than deer.
Posted By: HuntnShoot Re: Antelope bullet - 07/05/20
Originally Posted by elkaddict
I’ve killed them with everything I hunt deer/elk with (340wby, 300wby, 300wm, 06 and a MZ. If you’re worried about meat loss, stay away from the shoulder. Personally, in 308, I thing 165g Interlocs would meet your criteria perfectly. For what it’s worth, if youR focus is on the meat, get it gutted/skinned and on ice as quick as you can. In my experience, antelope is outstanding if you can cool it down quick enough. We literally hunted with big coolers/ice in the back of the truck. If you don’t, you’ll be missing out on tender delicate meat. It seems to go south a lot quicker than deer.

Indeed, and that was the last thing I was taught about the how-to's of antelope as a teen. Either a huge cooler already iced up, or a creek that we put the skinned carcass into for at least an hour to get it cooled down, or both, since it was generally pretty warm during the antelope hunts.
Posted By: Colorado1135 Re: Antelope bullet - 07/06/20
I use Berger vlds in my 308 for deer and antelope. They have worked on two elk as well. They fly consistent and drop critters in their tracks.
Posted By: memtb Re: Antelope bullet - 07/06/20
Originally Posted by szihn
Because I don't like to loose meat, I use the same bullets to kill antelope as I do to kill elk most times. I like some expansion, but not any "blow-ups" .
But any 30 cal hunting bullet from 125gr and up will work to kill them.

Last years I killed my antelope with a 270 with a 150 grain Round Nose, one with a 140 grain Hornady Flex-Tip from a 300 Savage and one with a 156 grain PPU bullet from my 6.5X54 Mannlicher. All were instant kills and all did very little meat damage.
In the past I have killed them with many different guns and bullets, and none got away, but for me personally I don't like to blow them up much.



We also use the same as we use for elk, though a bit larger caliber than the .308! Minimal meat waste, and when hit properly.....they promptly expire. For a .308 Win, I’d use a 130 grain or 150 grain Barnes TTSX.....Fast, Accurate, Lethal! memtb
Posted By: Mule Deer Re: Antelope bullet - 07/06/20

"The OLD Remington Core-Lokt in both 150 and 165, but the newer ones are made with lighter jackets, so I reserve judgement on them. I bought many thousands of them from the 70s and those were really good, but I have seen shots made with those made in the last 20 years and many of them came apart, some on small deer, so I am not willing to recommend the Core-Lokt anymore without more info. Maybe John Barness can tell us more?"

Steve,

Remington apparently quit making the original, thick-walled Core-Lokts around 1990--except the round-nosed version, which still still had the thick jacket walls the last time I sectioned one a few years ago.

They apparently went to a thinner jacket to speed up manufacturing, but they may not even make their own bullets anymore. I know that some of the factory loads in the 1990s featured Hornady Interlocks, because Remington sent me ammo for various projects, and the bullets had a definite "pencil-point" look to them (as Elmer Keith used to call the secant-ogive Hornadys). So I sectioned one, and it had the Interlock ring, but the "Pointed Soft-Point Core-Lokts" that weren't pencil-pointed did not--though they had far thinner jackets than the original PSP Core-Lokts I'd sectioned.

So I contacted the PR guy for Remington, who'd been there many years. He talked to the ammo guys and they admitted the PSP Core-Lokts had been changed. He was pretty upset about the whole thing, partly because they never informed him of the changes, but was near retirement--and did retire not long afterward.

Later I heard a rumor that a separate company was making the PSP "Core-Lokts," instead of Remington, but never followed it up.

As a side-note, Eileen and I have mostly been using monolithics on antelope for quite a while now, because we like the lack of meat destruction. The antelope may go a little farther after the shot than when with lead-cored bullets, but that's not a problem in open country.

Have also used Bergers on antelope, and they don't shoot up much meat either, partly because the delayed expansion results in almost zero meat destruction around the entrance hole. The exit hole is often larger, but if you keep the exit away from the shoulders it's usually about an inch-wide hole through the ribs--and they kill so well the bullet can be placed a hand's width behind and still drop them quickly.

John
Posted By: szihn Re: Antelope bullet - 07/06/20
Well John You have confirmed my guess. I didn't know when Remington went to thinner jackets, and I had no idea they were farming out the production of the Core-Lokts, but I believe it was a mistake. I bought a BIG stack of 270 caliber 150 grain Round Nose in the early 70s and again I bought 7,000 (I think) of the 30 cals in the late 80s in both 150 and 165 grains. I loved those bullets. Some other brands were a bit more accurate but not enough to worry about for hunting, and I didn't find many that would out-perform them on game.

In 2004 I got 3000 more 150 grain 30 calibers and the jackets were thin. They were not pencil-points, and they looked exactly like the older ones until you cut them in half. The jackets on the new ones were only about 35% to 40% as thick as those on the older ones. Not quite as accurate either. I have killed some game with them, and yes, the deer and antelope died, but the wounds are not as consistent as the old one were and sometimes you get blow-ups and more erratic wound channels (turning off course) then I ever saw with the old Core-Lokt bullets.

Thanks for chiming in here.

It cleared up some questions I had in the back of my mind.
Posted By: mathman Re: Antelope bullet - 07/06/20
Originally Posted by super T
BC, 150 grain Nosler BT.


I've shot deer and pigs with this one launched from a 308. No blow ups, and I don't think an antelope will provide more resistance.
Posted By: Tejano Re: Antelope bullet - 07/06/20
Just about any bullet designed for deer will work well. When looking for a dedicated antelope bullet I look for a higher BC as in most areas it will be windy during the hunting season. The medium to heavy bullets will have a higher BC and ruin less meat usually.

The Accubond and Interbond are a good compromise between expansion and minimal meat loss. Any bullet will be destructive if it hits the shoulder especially on the entry side. But many others will work well too. I would not hesitate to use a BT or a Hornaday Inter Locked as long as they are put in the right place the antelope will drop relatively quickly and meat loss should not be too bad.
Posted By: antelope_sniper Re: Antelope bullet - 07/06/20
If it will kill a deer, it will kill an antelope.

For standard medium bore hunting rifles, just take your best high BC deer load, zero for 250 yards (providing you don't dial) and make sure you have a sharp knife. Hunting NBT's at 3k, it doesn't matter which one, kill antelope nicely. If you are over 3k, with the heaviest NBT your gun will shoot, it's time to switch to the Accubond.
Posted By: fremont Re: Antelope bullet - 07/06/20
Originally Posted by Tejano
When looking for a dedicated antelope bullet I look for a higher BC as in most areas it will be windy during the hunting season. The medium to heavy bullets will have a higher BC and ruin less meat usually.

^^^^This. Shot my first speedgoat with my 30-06 at 294 yards in a 25-30 mph almost perfect crosswind; gusts 30+. Used a 150 SST over H414. Went prone, misread the wind (buck was bedded on side of hill across canyon--which, when we walked over to gut him, the wind was HOWLING through unbeknownst to up on the other side) and missed him holding slightly behind midpoint of back. Held further back and second shot hit him in neck close to 24" lateral travel. So, while the manuals talk about bullets being on the lighter side as being good antelope bullets, that's in a lab, not Wyoming.
Posted By: szihn Re: Antelope bullet - 07/07/20
Far too much importance is given to B.C. and gear these days, and not near enough to hunting skills. Use dirty belt buckles and they will do so much more for your ability to hunt then new gear or slick bullets.

I average 4 antelope a year here in Wyoming and so does my wife, so just the 2 of us get to shoot 8 per year as an average. Some years less and a few years more, but 6-8 per year is common.

Add to these the 10-20 per season that I will be along on hunts with friends who come to hunt with us, and you'll understand I get to see a lot of antelope shot. This started for me in 1994 here in Wyoming.. so that's 26 years now. In a ten year period I get to either kill, or see killed, about 225 to maybe 250 pronghorns. If I were to say an average of even 3 for me per year (actually too low ) over the 26 years I have been doing this in Wyoming , and then if I estimate a low-ball number of goats I see shot every year at 12, that would be 15-18 antelope total killed per year X 26 years. So the low-end figure is 390 ==and I know it's actually a bit higher. My own kills are probably about 3-4 per year as an average so that would come to 78 at the low end.

So ---of these numbers, the questions I'd ask and answer for the readers benefit is:

How many have I see killed at 500 yards and farther in the last 26 years? Answer: 3
How many were killed over 600? Answer: 1. (Which took the man 7 shots total)

How many have I personally killed over 500 yards? Answer: None.
How many have I personally killed over 400 yards? Answer: 3 and maybe 4.

The question I think is far more significant is to ask: How many I have killed under 50 yards. That would be about 20-25.
How many under 20 yards? Answer; 4

I have killed several antelope with handguns, all of which were revolvers with issue sights.

last year I killed my buck at 35-37 yards using iron sights and one doe at 12 yards. Here is the buck.
[Linked Image from live.staticflickr.com]IMG_20190918_192827625 by Steve Zihn, on [bleep]
Here is the rifle I killed the doe with, (but this is obviously not that doe.) I didn't have a camera with me for that hunt. This is a small buck from the year before and it too was killed with an iron sighted rifle at about 165 yards. [Linked Image from live.staticflickr.com]2018 #1 Ant. Buck by Steve Zihn, on [bleep]
Both those rifles use only with Round Nose Bullets by the way.................

So the idea that you need some new wiz-bang uber-tec do-dad, be it a new bullet, new scope, bi-pod, wind gauge or what ever, may all be helpful as learning tools ---but none of that helps you HUNT. It may help someone shoot to a degree , but even that degree of help is WAY less helpful then the advertisers would try to tell you. Gear doesn't make skill!

I have a 460 yard range 10 steps out my front door ,and I am only 15 minutes from a range I can fire to 1400 yards. I like long range shooting and I go out to have fun doing that fairly often, But that is not hunting.

If you are even questioning your ability to place your shot perfectly, due to wind, range, angels, or anything else, get your belt buckle in the dirt and get closer. Big Game is not your enemy. Respect them enough to hunt them, instead of simply shooting them (or shooting at them, shooting them poorly....... and so on)
Posted By: szihn Re: Antelope bullet - 07/07/20
Just one more to show.
Anna killed this buck with her 30-06 using a 165 Grain Hornady Spire Point and she shot him OFF HAND at about 90 yards, using the contour of the ground as cover to stalk the game and she stood up when she knew she could get the shot.
[Linked Image from live.staticflickr.com]Picture0922180833_1 by .com/photos/156296479@N08/]Steve Zihn, on [bleep]

She has got quite a few more too, but as usual we don't have cameras with us on most hunts.She knows how to HUNT and gets her game every year. Deer Elk and Antelope are all in danger when Anna hunts them.
Posted By: WyoCoyoteHunter Re: Antelope bullet - 07/07/20
I would agree with szihn.. My wife and I have killed well over 200 antelope between us probably closer to 250.. I can only remember a couple does shot about 400 yards.. Most less than 200..She killed one or two about 300 yards but that was when she was older and had a tough time getting around.. We have shot them or seen them shot with everything from 22 L>R> to the .375 H & H and .45-70.. Plus I have also shot about a dozen with pistols.. Revolvers.. Quite a few with the /30-30, 32 spl.. and .25-35.. If I had to kill one in one day I would probably take one of my 7 mags.. But I have never had to do that.. The best shot I have ever seen was buy a friend who killed a nice 15" buck about 350 yards .. He shot over the hood of a pickup up and the wind was screaming.. Not a gentle 25-30 mph, just ripping.. He use a .300 with a 165 gr. boatail loaded to the max.. He was one of the best shots I have ever hunted with.. He had a broad side shot and held slight back of the center of the antelope and made a good chest shot... We prefer heavier bullets in the .25's and on up.. But have also shot dozens with .22 caliber centerfires... But we can hunt antelope less than a mile from town and the season is 6 weeks. long..
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