I've used the 270 for many years, but I like the idea of going down from the 130's and 150's and getting a little more zip on my bullits. With the success of the little 243 and 25-06 using 100 grain bullits i've mulled around about going down to the 100 and trying them out. Anyone used the 100 grainers on Deer? What sucess did you have and accuracy?
I say go for it. Half the fun in loading your own is tinkering around and finding out what works for you and what you like. I don't know the distances you shoot deer but keep in mind that although you should be able to get 2-300 fps or so higher velocities over a 130, they'll also shed it much quicker due to a the lower BC. If you're shooting beyond about 250-300 yards, that added "zip" is gone and the higher BC of a 130 takes over making it faster beyond those ranges. Keep in mind too that many some bullets in that weight range are varmint bullets. Hornady makes a 100 grn SP, Barnes a 110 TSX, Sierra a 110 Pro Hunter (which have been excellent for me in the 130 grn), I can't think of any others offhand in that weight that would be a good deer bullet, but all should work very well.
I have a very good friend that used either the 110 grain or 100 grain factory winchester loads on deer for several seasons. I think they were 110 grain, but not positive. I remember telling him that he was using the wrong bullets and that he should be using the 130's. He was of the mindset that a bullet was a bullet and it didn't really matter. Well, it turns out he was right. He was not a rifle looney or gun nut but he was an outstanding woodsman and hunter. He waxed multitudes of deer with that 110 grain bullet and I don't recall him ever losing one. I do remember him telling me that he shot one at about 300 yards one time and it just stood there and looked at him and then took a couple of steps and dropped. The bullets didn't always exit but they put a hurtin on the deer. I also had another friend that used a 115 grain bullet out of a 7MAG. He killed a ton of deer with that bullet.
Can you get the Remington bullet at 115 gr that they use in the 6.8 SPC or reduced recoil loads as a component bullet? That might make a good light loading.
Yep, I just checked Midway and they list them along with a Rem 100 grn SP as well.
I hear that a 85 gr TSX is in the works. I've even seen it advertised online last night.
In the 270 I'd use the 110 TTSX though. The 110 Pro Hunter is a good performing inexpensive bullet and the 110 Accubond is out now.
I was looking at this for a friends son for his 270...
I have picked the 110 grain Accubond.. MV is going to only be about 2500 fps...load is 28.5 grains of SR 4759...
Some of the first deer i took with a 270 were with loads using 3031 and 110 grain Sierra bullets loaded to near 2800 fps. Worked pretty well actually.
Barnes has come out with a 115g Tripple shock bullet that should be fantastic on deer.
Barnes does not have a 115 gr TSX. They have 110 TSX and TTSX and then jump to the 130 gr TSX and TTSX or MRX.
Barnes has come out with a 115g Tripple shock bullet that should be fantastic on deer.
Keith, 4 a 270 they came out with a 115 TSX? Where did you find them and or see it?
I know they make a 110 but didn't know anything about another light one?
Thx
Dober
I hear that a 85 gr TSX is in the works. I've even seen it advertised online last night.
4 a .270, very interesting? Where on line did you see that?
Thx
Dober
Two things to consider with the 90 to 100 gr. .270 bullets on deer:
1. They are only for broadside picture book shots and they are hell and destruction.
2. They are overly distructive on tissue and you will end up with a bloodshot mess so if, like myself, you like deer meat then best to stick with the 130 or better yet the 150 or 160 gr. bullets.
And reason and logic have finally hit this discussion! Thanks atkinson. I've been watching this for a while, in my mind thinking, "This has got to be similar to shooting deer with a 65 or 70 gr. .243 Win. pushed to the limit." I can't imagine it NOT being destructive, and for longer ranges, the 130-150 bullets are simply a better choice. If you're looking at reduced loads and ranges under 200 yds, it's great idea, otherwise, I'd advise against it.
Selmer
Years ago I loaded up some 100gr. Speer Spitzer Hot Core bullets in my 270 and shot one deer---never again! I wanted to duplicate .25-06' ballistics in my 270. It was a broadside shot through both lungs and out with massive bloodshot tissue up into the off side shoulder. The worst bloodshot I've gotten to date no matter what Caliber/bullet combination I've used. The 130 seems to be the perfect combination for the 270. For varmints where hide damage isn't a factor the 100 gr. would be OK.
If I were going to try the 100 grain bullets, I would definitely shoot at nothing but the ribcage. It might surprise some folks to learn that the ribcage is not the only shot to take on a deer, and not even the preferred shot of some folks.
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Keep in mind fellas, shooting a 100gr PP or any other C&C bullet is an entirely different game from the 110gr TTSX, which would be the only bullet I would consider using in this weight class from a .270.
Regardless of bullet construction, I would guess the meat damage would be unacceptable in my book, but then again, I'm first and foremost a meat hunter. But go ahead and use it, then report back. That's the beauty of this type of forum, we can disagree with you all we want, but you can still go do it, then tell us what stellar results you have and then we have more knowledge and anecdotes than we did before!
Selmer
Regardless of bullet construction , I would guess the meat damage would be unacceptable in my book, but then again, I'm first and foremost a meat hunter. But go ahead and use it, then report back. That's the beauty of this type of forum, we can disagree with you all we want, but you can still go do it, then tell us what stellar results you have and then we have more knowledge and anecdotes than we did before!
Selmer
Someone here is telling us he will refuse to learn anything new.
GS Custom bullets makes a 80g .277 bullet for those interested. Also, they make a 110 and 120g bullet.
I meant the 110g, not the 115g. I just got a box in, they look the same length as the 130g C/C bullet.
The 110gr TSX is a wicked bastard on deer. I also have 8 boxes of 100gr X bullets in 277 to try out when the 110's get boring.
Killing deer is easy.
The 110TTSX is my first choice on the .270 and hope to break it in next week. I also have my bear tag and have no concerns of launching it into anything I see at almost any angle.
Barnes also offers the 110TSX that was designed for the 6.8 and will expand at lower velocity than the 110TTSX.
Remington offers the 115 Ultra core as a component and it was also designed for the 6.8.
Scott,
Have you stretched the 110 TSX's out much? How do you like them for flat, accurate, bucking the wind reach out there stuff?
I plan to play with these out of a couple of 270's soon.
Thanks,
DJ
Don't believe I've run them past 350 yards or so.
Didn't know you had anyplace where you could shoot that close, except at critters...grin.
DJ
That's pretty much my limit with open sights..........
and with a hand gun at that...
Dober
I hear that a 85 gr TSX is in the works. I've even seen it advertised online last night.
4 a .270, very interesting? Where on line did you see that?
Thx
Dober
I went looking for them online after hearing some subtle hints about them on the 6.8 SPC forum. Seems the 6.8 reloaders were stocking up on them before they said very much.
I'd never heard of them either so I asked the fellas and got this info.
Barnes used to offer them but they didn't work (or possibly didn't sell) so well in the 270 so they were dropped. The 6.8 guys wanted something shorter/faster than the 110s and the GS Custom 80s are too expensive so they asked Barnes to reintroduce this little 85 gr TSX FB. Apparently Barnes says to expect them early next year.
Get this, that little GS Custom 80 is going 3300-3400 from the 6.8 due to the driving bands and low engraving pressure. The TSX is a bit longer and harder but it should still go over 3200. They are pushing the 110 TSX to 2800-2900. They just got thier 110 Accubonds and they expect 2800-2900 with it. From short barrels with improved chambers and slower twists. I gotta build me one of these,
going to the gunshow Saturday looking for the rifle.
Cool, it'll be interesting to see if they follow thru and get them out.
Thx 4 sharing
Dober
DJ,
Pushing the 110ttsx to 3400 from a .270 gives 1/2 moa at 200 but moving back to 500 I am getting vertical stringing that opened groups up to about 6-7". At 500 a five shot group will have three or four in the middle and a shot going high or low that really opens up the group. An F class shooter commented that he thought it was the inconsistent BC. Shooting the 150 Berger I got 4" groups were nice and round with no wild fliers. Wind data appears to match what the computer is spitting out but I had to adjust the BC to .370 (.377 per barnes) to match the drop observed.
Wvhunter, all the 100 grain .277 caliber bullets I have fooled with were varmint bullets.
Yes they can be pushed fast about 3300 fps out of a 22� barrel.
The problem with the 100 grainers is their SD is less than .2. The only time I shot a deer with 100 grainer, the deer died on the spot but the bullet did not exit. The bullet was in small pieces in the chest cavity.
110 grainers might work on deer because their SD is just over .2 but IMO the 115�s and 120�s would be better.
Just so I am clear with what I hear on this site. A .277 100 grain is awesome but a 100 grain .243 is marginal at best? Following this logic a 100 grain .30 cal would be the cats meow.
Just so I am clear with what I hear on this site. A .277 100 grain is awesome but a 100 grain .243 is marginal at best? Following this logic a 100 grain .30 cal would be the cats meow.
No that is not what I said.
Wouldn't it depend on the bullet itself, and its construction/velocity, and not the cartridge that launched it? Once it leaves the barrel....oh, you know...
Wvhunter, all the 100 grain .277 caliber bullets I have fooled with were varmint bullets.
Yes they can be pushed fast about 3300 fps out of a 22� barrel.
The problem with the 100 grainers is their SD is less than .2. The only time I shot a deer with 100 grainer, the deer died on the spot but the bullet did not exit. The bullet was in small pieces in the chest cavity.
110 grainers might work on deer because their SD is just over .2 but IMO the 115�s and 120�s would be better.
I have to disagree. I think we get caught up too much in paper ballistics and overemphasize the value of SD in modern bullets. I think what you're describing is the result of bullet construction (or type) not SD. I know we have to rely on our experiences and it's hard not judge something with an experience that didn't go as we expected, but it's also hard to sterotype something based on one instance. I'm curious though, what was the bullet you used?
I do think some of the lighter bullets will do a fine job..though I admit, I prefer the 130's myself and probably wouldn't use one of the lighter ones.
I agree, here in WV a 100 243 has accounted for many Deer, along with the 30-30!!! I like the the idea of speeding up the 270 with the 100 grainers though, can reach out a little further and I think the round will be alright at less than a hundred even on vitals. Seen a bunch of deer taken with a 223 that didn't run 10 yards when hit with a 70 grainer!!