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Posted By: srwshooter damned coyotes everywhere - 11/06/15
man ,they seem to be everywhere this year. we've heard them at home all summer. there have been a few killed but now they seem be everywhere i go. we've seen a few on my hunt club that we couldn't get good shots at. they kept us awake half the night while camping this week.


a few days ago a friend was in his treestand near the main road 1 mile from my house and a car hit a deer. he heard the car slam something and got down a walked out to the road .a guy was sitting in his car watching 5 coyotes chewing on the deer he had just hit.it like they are no longer afraid.

more and more land owners are not allowing any hunting on there property in this area and they are killing everything.
On the way to work last night, we came across a dead deer, and 20feet past it, a dead coyote, both right on the highway.

Not the first dead coyote on the road, but the first one I've seen in that close proximity.
Friends say that they are now on the Eastern Shore of Va as well.
Posted By: rost495 Re: damned coyotes everywhere - 11/08/15
Yep, yotes get so much blame

We have a lot of em here too. I even shoot em now and then.

But I keep track of my local deer by camera all year round.

I actually know for a fact that I"ve been as much as 3 straight years where there was either 100 percent survival of the fawns, OR I know where they were killed on the roadway.

This year we seem to have low survival and its a first, but we are fairly high rabbit cycle and I suspect that there is another factor called floods about the birthing times. It was bad here right then.

I seriously doubt all of a sudden they figured out how to kill fawns and with all the cover available it should have been a big job to kill fawns. But they sure could have.

Regardless most wild varmints are kept in check typically, though hide prices have hurt that the last many years and I have to whack a handful of coons now and then just to help... kinda sucks just wasting animals.
Posted By: Strick9 Re: damned coyotes everywhere - 11/08/15
Coyotes in numbers will most certainly affect not only your Whitetail population but also your Turkeys. I have watched and observed our populations since the yotes first arrived in the mid 90s and they have declined to the extent that not only has our Turkey season been adjusted by the state but the same is now on the books for the Deer.

A freind also just sent me a video of a power line hunt where his buddy put his foam archery deer target out, took off the antlers and sprayed it with deer scent. He settled into his stand and shortly after a pack of yotes demolished the decoy. I have tried to enhance the video but it was sent via text and he doesn't have an email so thats a no go.

You can see the decoy getting tossed and shredded and hear the yotes going nuts!

Posted By: rost495 Re: damned coyotes everywhere - 11/09/15
Well I guess we just don't have large numbers here tehn.

They sure have not affected our numbers at all.

Turkesy OTOH, but really , the fire ants killed the turkeys off pure and simple, not any coyote
Posted By: Pappy348 Re: damned coyotes everywhere - 11/09/15
Eastern coyotes are allegedly hybridized with Canadian wolves and run larger than the typical western version. They also have stronger jaws and bigger chompers. Most of the few I've seen look like they'd go at least 40 pounds or so, maybe more. In the South, they also cross with red wolves. There's also the coydog crosses, also larger than the Western ones. I watched a program on Netflix that detailed the evolution of the new, improved Eastern breed.

I've also read that the Eastern ones are smarter and harder to hunt, but don't know that for a fact.

Originally Posted by srwshooter
man ,they seem to be everywhere this year. we've heard them at home all summer. there have been a few killed but now they seem be everywhere i go. we've seen a few on my hunt club that we couldn't get good shots at. they kept us awake half the night while camping this week.


a few days ago a friend was in his treestand near the main road 1 mile from my house and a car hit a deer. he heard the car slam something and got down a walked out to the road .a guy was sitting in his car watching 5 coyotes chewing on the deer he had just hit.it like they are no longer afraid.

more and more land owners are not allowing any hunting on there property in this area and they are killing everything.


All over my place in Botetourt County too. Killed more last year than all other things combined!
I have always really enjoyed listening to the coyotes at night. That being said, we keep them in check, as much as possible. An AR15 resides in my truck 24/7 for coyote and feral hog control.
On all of our Ranches, this year, including a large Hill Country Ranch that I manage, we have a really good fawn crop. In typical years with normal rainfall, TX whitetails typically have a 60 % fawn crop survival rate. It has more to do with the rains falling at the correct time, and lots of it. Another words, more forage foods and plants that deer can utilize.

Biggest problem for turkeys are coons, possums, skunks, & Bobcats.
And it's pretty rare for a coyote to catch a turkey. That depredation is mostly due to the varmints eating turkey eggs. Also, feral hog population growth has also really hurt the turkey & quail population.

Fire ants are the main culprits in the destruction of our native quail population decline in TX, and have totally decimated the quail population in our Southeastern States, along with, of course, the usual varmints raiding their nests. Not so much, with Turkeys, though.
Originally Posted by srwshooter
man ,they seem to be everywhere this year. we've heard them at home all summer. there have been a few killed but now they seem be everywhere i go. we've seen a few on my hunt club that we couldn't get good shots at. they kept us awake half the night while camping this week.


a few days ago a friend was in his treestand near the main road 1 mile from my house and a car hit a deer. he heard the car slam something and got down a walked out to the road .a guy was sitting in his car watching 5 coyotes chewing on the deer he had just hit.it like they are no longer afraid.

more and more land owners are not allowing any hunting on there property in this area and they are killing everything.


Looks like you got some good predator hunting to do this winter. What you going to use?
Oklahoma is full of em. I kill 30 or so just out and about. If I'm predator hunting hard that number goes way up. Can't keep em out of my cat trap either. Thats also how I practice my LR shooting. Get a cow carcass and drag it to a place where I can post up way out there and go to town on em. Few years ago I killed one asleep on top of the carcass it was so full it looked deformed in the belly. I'll try to find a pic.
Posted By: pointer Re: damned coyotes everywhere - 11/10/15
Originally Posted by Pappy348
Eastern coyotes are allegedly hybridized with Canadian wolves and run larger than the typical western version. They also have stronger jaws and bigger chompers. Most of the few I've seen look like they'd go at least 40 pounds or so, maybe more. In the South, they also cross with red wolves. There's also the coydog crosses, also larger than the Western ones. I watched a program on Netflix that detailed the evolution of the new, improved Eastern breed.

I've also read that the Eastern ones are smarter and harder to hunt, but don't know that for a fact.

The only hybridization I recall reading about between coyotes and wolves were with the issue of red wolves. Some where trying to claim they were a hybrid and therefore not able to be listed as an endangered species. Do you have any links? The hybrid angle for eastern coyotes would be an interesting read.

I bet the size difference is due as much to amount of food available as anything.
The population has exploded here in Northern LA as well. I've had more coyotes on trail cam this year than ever before, many in the daylight hours. I hear them every night at camp.

I killed a doe Saturday eve close to my camp and within 2 hours a pack was cutting up where I killed her. I assume they came to the blood as I gutted in camp.

My uncle had yotes chase a fawn into his pond a couple weeks ago. He said they almost had him b4 he hit the water.
Posted By: Pappy348 Re: damned coyotes everywhere - 11/10/15
It's a PBS video, Nature:Meet the Coy-wolf.

Netflix has it and you can download it for $5 from Amazon or watch it for free if you're a Prime member.

The animals depicted look just like the ones I've seen wandering around in neighborhoods in Loudoun County, Virginia, and a big boy I spotted on a road on the West bank of the Shenandoah River in Clarke County. That one might have gone fifty pounds. I wouldn't want to encounter a group of ones like him unarmed.
the hunt has already started.i'm piling up every deer carcus i can find on the farm next to me. farm gave me a permit to hunt them day and night.

i'm using my lefthanded 788 in 6mm topped with a bushnell 4200 6x24x40.will be feeding them 70gn varmagedon boolits at 3400fps.
Originally Posted by srwshooter
will be feeding them 70gn varmagedon boolits at 3400fps.


That'll make 'em sick. Bad sick.
Posted By: Strick9 Re: damned coyotes everywhere - 11/11/15
Folks that don't think yotes catch, kill and eat both full grown deer and big Tom Turkeys just haven't studied the yote very much. I have volumes of files on the subject.

Yotes in density are a far greater threat to the wild turkey population than any other critter period. I have studied it not only with the state but with the NWTF.

During Wild Turkey nesting season the yotes will spread out and grid search for nests. Not only do they eat all the eggs but a broody hen turkey is an easy kill for them as well.

AS a matter of fact during the brood season the yotes go into Turkey mode just the same as a rainbow will go into mayfly mode. Most critters take advantage of the easiest most nourishing food available at the time. Its just common sense.

I have debated this over and over with our state bureaucrats, starting the debates around 20 years ago. Now our head biologist has obliged that yes they do most certainly represent a huge problem to both turkey and deer.
Posted By: Petro Re: damned coyotes everywhere - 11/11/15
We used to lease our small property out for cattle. I would see coyotes every year and gut piles would be gone overnight. You couldn't leave a deer overnight if you made a bad shot or lost the trail (luckily only happened once). I would hear them howl every night in the stand.

Three years ago I managed to get the family matriarch on board with letting the children use the property without cows screwing everything up.

We have gut piles for days now and I can't find a coyote on a trail camera. I can't explain it as just the cows because if they lived solely off calves people would be up in arms, but their presence seems to directly correlate to the availability of cattle, at least in my area (east of OKC).

Wild dogs (or at least "pets" not contained to their owner's property when not on a leash), now those are out of hand. They are aggressive and destructive and cause more harm to the quality of hunting that coyotes ever did.
Posted By: Oldman03 Re: damned coyotes everywhere - 11/11/15
I've asked all my family and friends to save the deer hides and heads for me. I freeze them and then use them for coyote bait.

Several people have already asked me to come on their property and trap coyotes, when deer season is over. Also got several request for trapping hogs. Fellow called me today and wants me to put out some hog snares Sunday. Try and catch another piggy.
Posted By: pointer Re: damned coyotes everywhere - 11/12/15
Originally Posted by Pappy348
It's a PBS video, Nature:Meet the Coy-wolf.

Netflix has it and you can download it for $5 from Amazon or watch it for free if you're a Prime member.

The animals depicted look just like the ones I've seen wandering around in neighborhoods in Loudoun County, Virginia, and a big boy I spotted on a road on the West bank of the Shenandoah River in Clarke County. That one might have gone fifty pounds. I wouldn't want to encounter a group of ones like him unarmed.
Thanks for the tip. I'll see if I can find it.
Originally Posted by Petro
We used to lease our small property out for cattle. I would see coyotes every year and gut piles would be gone overnight. You couldn't leave a deer overnight if you made a bad shot or lost the trail (luckily only happened once). I would hear them howl every night in the stand.

Three years ago I managed to get the family matriarch on board with letting the children use the property without cows screwing everything up.

We have gut piles for days now and I can't find a coyote on a trail camera. I can't explain it as just the cows because if they lived solely off calves people would be up in arms, but their presence seems to directly correlate to the availability of cattle, at least in my area (east of OKC).

Wild dogs (or at least "pets" not contained to their owner's property when not on a leash), now those are out of hand. They are aggressive and destructive and cause more harm to the quality of hunting that coyotes ever did.
Mice love cow manure for the feed left in it, as do birds. Without cattle, the mouse population drops and that's the coyote's main diet.
I've heard of Yotes being around here for about 15 years or so. I never saw one until last year when I shot this buck with a muzzle loader. When the buck crashed into the woods the Yote ran to me and hung around long enough to reload. A month ago when I was bow hunting and I had one hanging around, but couldn't get a shot. Then about 2 weeks ago when I was heading out of the woods, I heard one.

I've heard about the hybrid with the red wolf. One of my guys showed me a picture just the other day.

Pappy, I killed this one right across the Potomac River from Loudoun County, VA.

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Posted By: Pappy348 Re: damned coyotes everywhere - 11/12/15
The last 10 years or so I worked, I drove all over Northern VA at night. I've seen 'yotes on neighborhood streets in Herndon and Ashburn as well as at Dulles Corners. I suspect the ones in the neighborhoods were cat hunting. The one in Ashburn was trotting down a sidewalk like he owned the place, which at 0300, he probably did. I once asked one of our cable techs if he ever saw them around and he said "Oh yeah".

I live in hope of gettng an opportunity like you had, but so far no dice. I do think that I see fewer foxes than I used to, and practically no rabbits except around my neighborhood.
seen a lot of yotes on the trail cam pix this fall, and hear a bunch every morning and evening. More so than in previous years...

shot a couple in the last weeks...will likely sting several more over the next few weeks, deer season starts again in just over a week and we try to kill all that show up.

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Posted By: Clarkm Re: damned coyotes everywhere - 11/12/15
My brother has been shooting coyotes from a plane with a shotgun. He says you can drive around for two weeks and not see a coyote, but get up in a plane and there is a coyote every square mile.
Posted By: rost495 Re: damned coyotes everywhere - 11/12/15
Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
Originally Posted by Petro
We used to lease our small property out for cattle. I would see coyotes every year and gut piles would be gone overnight. You couldn't leave a deer overnight if you made a bad shot or lost the trail (luckily only happened once). I would hear them howl every night in the stand.

Three years ago I managed to get the family matriarch on board with letting the children use the property without cows screwing everything up.

We have gut piles for days now and I can't find a coyote on a trail camera. I can't explain it as just the cows because if they lived solely off calves people would be up in arms, but their presence seems to directly correlate to the availability of cattle, at least in my area (east of OKC).

Wild dogs (or at least "pets" not contained to their owner's property when not on a leash), now those are out of hand. They are aggressive and destructive and cause more harm to the quality of hunting that coyotes ever did.
Mice love cow manure for the feed left in it, as do birds. Without cattle, the mouse population drops and that's the coyote's main diet.


NO WAY, all they eat are deer....
Posted By: Rye77 Re: damned coyotes everywhere - 11/13/15
Originally Posted by Strick9
Folks that don't think yotes catch, kill and eat both full grown deer and big Tom Turkeys just haven't studied the yote very much. I have volumes of files on the subject.

Yotes in density are a far greater threat to the wild turkey population than any other critter period. I have studied it not only with the state but with the NWTF.

During Wild Turkey nesting season the yotes will spread out and grid search for nests. Not only do they eat all the eggs but a broody hen turkey is an easy kill for them as well.


You would be remiss if you didn't complete your observations with the number of nest that are destroyed by opossums, raccoon, and fox. The opossum is probably the most efficient as far as locating and eating eggs. Fox and bobcat are ridiculously effective at catching poults.

Coyotes are effective at killing of that there is no doubt. If you truly want to work on coyotes, either learn to trap or find a trapper to work your lands.
Posted By: Ole_270 Re: damned coyotes everywhere - 11/13/15
Shot 3 coyotes this week off the newly cut bean field around the house. Young pups kicked out and trying to make a living on their own are sometimes pretty bold.
Speaking of foxes, coyotes, or whatever..
A couple weeks ago my partner shot a deer 3 miles from the truck. We skinned it and left it lying on the hide with the heart and liver right next to it. We spread 3 game bags over it and covered it with pine boughs for the night. The next day we came back with my llamas to pack it out.
1 of the game bags was pulled out from under the boughs and piled in a wad. The heart and liver were gone. Nothing else was touched, not even the nearby gut pile. We figured it probably a fox. The ground was too grassy to find tracks so it's a guess. I think a larger coyote would have eaten some meat, too.

I've been hunting for over 50 years and have had to leave game out overnight numerous times. This is the 1st time we've ever had anything happen to one. We've been lucky.
Posted By: Petro Re: damned coyotes everywhere - 11/13/15
Interesting. Makes sense.
We were overrun with coyotes for several years. They were even so brazen as to kill fawns near the house. We would hear them every night. Last year a new federal trapper moved near us and has killed over 500 in the past year, not all around here. We rarely hear them and even more rarely see them anymore. We are seeing more fawns and more deer and turkey's.
Posted By: Pappy348 Re: damned coyotes everywhere - 11/15/15
I didn't think there was such a thing as a Federal trapper any more. Wonder if the Greenies know about that. Ought to make the blood squirt out of their beady little eyes!
Posted By: Rye77 Re: damned coyotes everywhere - 11/18/15
They know about them, but it's nothing something they can stop. USDA trappers are used to protect the interest of the Feds. IE roads, and live stock.
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