While we're on the subject of 35 cal deer rounds. . .

I've got a Rem 7600 in 35 Whelen, "The Whelenizer." It's been sidelined since 2014. It was just too darned effective, and I wanted to give some of my other rifles a try. 10 deer in 10 years is pretty good for a rifle.

Now I'm thinking of bringing it back out, but I'd like to try something new. In the past, I've shot 200 grain Rem SPCL's. I downloaded them so they shot at hot 358 WIN velocities. It still was a bit much for the late-season doe I was taking with it. I'd like to try something lighter than 200 grainers. Speer makes a 180 grainer. Hornady makes 165 and 170 grainers for the 350 Legend.

Any experience? Any ideas?

I have shot the Speer 180's in my Whelen over a moderate charge of IMR 4064, I have been cautioned that these bullets are designed for .35 Remington and to keep the velocity in the .35 Rem./.358 Win. range. I have not take a deer with them, like the OP my current deer load is a 200gr. Hornady Inter-lok RN over IMR 3031. This is a load gleaned from Ken Water's Pet Loads and I have taken a whitetail buck with it, it performed beautifully the recovered bullet was perfectly mushroomed and retained 66% of its original weight .

The 180 HCFN Speers is fantastic on whitetail. We have taken many with that bullet. We are running them at 2325 and 2600 FPS. Have not recovered a bullet yet. All pass throughs.

CAUTION!!!The 350 legend bullets you mentioned are.355 diameter not .358.

Sounds like the Speers are the right ticket.

They're relatively hard for a 35 Remington bullet. So should work pretty well going a bit faster.

The Speer 180s are a great deer bullet, they shoot well out of my 35 Rem, 356 and 358 Wins. I wouldn't run them too hard and they should do great.

How about a 180 TTSX?

Mash on the throttle!!

I thought you were going to ask abut 180 TTSX from Barnes. Be Well, Rustyzipper.

Rusty, or anyone else, since we're on the 180gr 358win topic. Anyone run the 180gr ttsx full speed? I've never shot a mono...but very interested in exploring the world of lead free. I will be an odd ball but I want a bullet to be violent but at the same time I want it to penetrate and not actually blow to little bitty pieces.

I run the 180 TTSX in 350 remington mag. Forget the exact load of TAC. Low 60 grain range. I am pushing them close to 3100 FPS. Yet to stop one in a whitetail. the property I was hunting had ahole neighbors. Something made it over the line I was not going to get it. So I wanted something that would plant a deer no matter the shot angle. I still wait for a good shot of course. But if big buck strolled by I knew I could connect with the vitals from most any angle and do a bunch of damage on the way.

Never got a chance to try out the combo on anything other than several does. Most memorable bullet performance wise was a doe facing me at a bout 200 yards down hill from me slight angle. Shattered the breast bone took out heart bottom of lungs then run through all but two of the ribs. Through the paunch and out just in front of the hindquarters. I was amazed that the bullet hit so many ribs on edge and kept a straight path. Breast bone was just turned into gravel.

Violence and penetration yep no doubt.

Thanx Mike! I'd be a few hundred fps slower...2700-2800fps is realistic I think. But your 200yd shot is probably comparable to my 50-75yd shot which are my further shots typically lol. Most of my deer are in the 30-40yd range.

Don't understand the infatuation with the top shelf premium bullets when an economical cup and core bullet gets the job done and has been doing so for a long time.

I used the 200 X ( and only shot) the 200TTSX from a 35 Whelen AI, going 2970fps. I killed a zebra (250yds) and a Black Wildebeast (347) with the older 200x. It opened just fine, so, say the newer 200TTSX going 2700 from your Whelenizer should be easy shooting and kill like crazy. If you go with the 180 TTSX, I would also drop it down to 2700 or so. I shot a few rounds of DoubleTap 358 Norma Mag 180 TTSX, also listed as 3100fps, and they were very accurate. Obammacare ransom made me sell it along with others, so never got to try it on game. I shot some handloads from a 35 Whelen Mod 750 and the Speer 180 HCFN and they were very accurate! I think I would start with those Pard, unless you just want to play with the monos. Have fun though!

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Jerry

I agree when shot placement is optimal. I typically ran a 225 grain sierra in my 350 remington mag. I switched to the 180 TTSX for accuracy and flatter shooting. Accuracy was a bit better but not outstandingly better. However the 180s shoot way flatter. Two inches high sightin at 150 yards keeps me in the vitals out to 350 yards with a point of aim in the top third. Main reason as I mentioned for the switch was less than ideal shots and stopping power.

I was typically hunting within three hundred yards of the property line. Last hundred of that was a nasty chunk of swamp. Most deer movement last ten minutes of legal shooting light. I wanted to break bone hit vitals and drop the deer where it stood. Or at the very least keep it out of the swamp and on the property. I knew for sure I would not be allowed to cross the property line. Some years it would also not be possible to walk in the swamp. Now ideally I would wait for a perfect high shoulder broadside shot. On a meat deer I would typically. Should a 170 class buck walk out with three minutes left of time. Well he is getting a bullet anywhere that will intersect the vitals. With the 180TTSX I know I have the penetration to do that.

Buy a .35 remington and run 200s

mike 7-08

I understand because I hunt 70 acres and property on 3 sides is OFF limits to me and CONVERSE to them.
I 'typically' shoot Hi shoulder OR Neck, END of hunt.


Now, I HAD a 35 Whelen, similar to 350 RM, and the 200 HSP did for me what you are talking about.
200 spire point, 2800- +. NOTE - it's been a while since I had that 35 so I don't know about the 200 HSP now.
I suggest you try them IF you haven't.


Jerry

Any 35 with a proper shot placement should do what I want it to do. I know the 200 will do it out of a 358 winchester at around 2600 fps.The 180s just give me a little extra edge on less than ideal shots. The real advantage is trajectory. I was typically taking 200 to 300 yard shots on that particular property. With the 180s I could still hold on hair out to 350 yards. With 200 or 225 grain I would be guessing holdover or need to be dialing my scope after about 275 yards. I want simple in a hunting rig. I rarely have time to setup the perfect shot. Give me the range. I know my rifle and load well enough to know where to place the crosshairs if I am within my range limits. If I am out of my range limits I don't take the shot.

I load the 180 TTSX in my 358 Win. They shoot great, very accurate in a 99.

I shoot Speer 180's and Hornady 200 Inter-lok RN in my .35 Whelen, both are accurate and effective on whitetails. 180's have been pas thrus and have only recovered one 200 gr. so far, perfectly mushroomed and retained 66% of original weight. Proof for me at least of cup and core bullets accuracy and killing power, no incentive for me to drink the premium priced bullet Kool-aid.

Yes ! That’s the performance those bullets gave me in the 80-90s.

Glad they’re still good.


Jerry

I use the factory Barnes vor-tx in my 35 wheeler encore.

I really like them. Can be hard to find sometimes. So i stick piled a box or 10.

They can be a little hard to find, but Hornady makes or made a 180 grain .358 Single Shot Pistol bullet. It has a slightly thinner jacket for good expansion at .35 Remington velocities in the T/C Contender. Would be hell on whitetails at even modest Whelen velocities. I scrounged up a full box not long ago. Have not had a chance to try them out yet in the Mauser 98 that I had re-barreled to .35 Whelen. Gotta get to that.

Haven’t used them yet but look like they are worth trying.
Cutting edge bullets

https://cuttingedgebullets.com/shop/cutting-edge-bullets/rifle-bullets?p=7

180gr XTP's are decent

or a 158gr XTP's are good too, just be careful, it's easy to get 'really really' hi vel with them.... then they are varmint rounds...

Hey 10gamag. I use the 180 TTSX in my 358. Two bear with it. Both DRT. Can't see how using it in a Whelen would be any different.

WN

After what I saw the 220gr Speers go through at 2175 fps from my lever action 35 Remington, I'd have no qualms whatsoever shooting ANY deer out to a long 250 yards with the 180gr Speers, especially with a scope sighted Whelen or 358W.

The factory Barnes 180 ttsx shoot really well in my Hawkeye

I haven't shot anything with the 180ttsx yet but my Hawkeye loves that factory ammo

Not to mention the tiresome copper fouling cleanup required every 20 to 30 rounds with the .monolithic bullets. California can keep them All as far as I am concerned.😡

I have used the 180 grain Speer in a 35 Rem with excellent results, pass through and deer drop at shot.

You can still find some of the old Remington 150gr PCL if you scrounge around.