RAM, some days I take extreme offense to the things you say and some days I just let them go by. I told you right up front in my last post that this time its personal. I've got family over there getting shot at and it upsets me. All you seem to want to do is somehow try to turn back the clock to a time before this all happened and then somehow stop it. Well, that ain't gonna happen. You seem to have a very simplistic view of government that amounts to "liberty good, government bad". You also seem to feel that if you talk long enough and loud enough and rudely enough, (although you seem to have contained yourself rather well this time) that your view of things will be proven true in the end. Kinda like yelling at someone who doesn't understand english so that they'll understand you better. So you take offense because you feel that I've attacked you. RAM, you've been attacking people as long as I've been following this forum and the old G&K before it and now you have the effrontery to take offense because you feel you've been attacked!!!!
In fact you totally avoided the direct questions I asked you, and instead fabricated a thesis of wrongful conjecture, lies and libel against me
Kindly point out the lies and libel.
I really don't think we are all that far apart here. You stated in your last post that you want to see the troops return home safely. So do I. I want it now. I see absolutely no controlling interest to keep them there any longer. Apparently you do. Could you enlighten me as to why?
I could but I'm sure you would find it just as inexplicable as you've found everything else so far.
I take extreme offense to your comparison of me to Hanoi Jane, and for you to even intimate that 1. I'm against our troops and 2. should arm myself and go and fight them
Don't believe that I said you were against the troops and that you should arm yourself and fight them. More like a political attack on those you think are enforcing the wrong policy. Think you're reading a different meaning than the one I wrote. Maybe it was too subtle for you.
Also your support to lower ourselves to their level, divorce ourselves from our societal beliefs, not to mention the accepted rules of war, by adopting barbarism to make a point is also an indication that your basis of reality and humanity has gone off the map.
You're showing your ignorance again. In war the object is to win. War is not a game. War is barbarism personified! Anyone who thinks it isn't is an idiot. Having said that, I said nothing in my previous post that advocates violating the rules of land warfare. What I said was that it was foolish and naive to think that people in other countries think and react like we do. Knowing a little bit about the rules of land warfare, I don't see where turning the bodies of criminals over to the local government authorities to do with as they choose would be a violation. But I'm sure you know much more about it than I do so kindly explain.
Oh, by the way, war is pretty much the family business, and for a long time busness was good.
I suspect its the emotionality of the close family relationship to the war that could cause you to make such ludicrous statements. That too probably accounts for the great degree of misplaced anger you choose to vent on me.
As I said before, I said that right up front. Don't know that the anger is particularly misplaced though since people like you, no matter how well meaning you think you are, are simply picking at an open wound. Don't think I've written anything particularly ludicrous either.
The troops that are there are doing what they are told. That is a Soldiers charge. My issue never has, and would never be with a Soldier doing his duty. My issue has always been with the indivdules who are keeping our troops there.
I'm sure I understand at least as well as you do what a soldiers duty is. If you have a problem with the individuals whom you believe are keeping the troops there for no reason then take it up with them. I'm all for you getting them home. Go ahead, make it happen. Bye the bye, how would you feel about their charge if they were charged with going to your house and taking your guns away. Its easy to say you're for the troops but against the government but when it comes right down to it its pretty hard to separate one from the other. Lots of shades of gray there.
I don't know what or any "News" that you watch, but they have been interviewing some of our guys over there, and I was quite surprised by the anti war/we want out/bring us home comments that some of the Soldiers were willing to make in front of a camera. I hope that none will be punished for their actions. But, as you pointed out in your personal attack against me, that is no mind set for a Soldier to be in. It leads to dead Soldiers. I agree, and I believe that that is another strong reason as to bring our people home.
Don't watch a lot of TV. Haven't watched network news for years. Its mostly propaganda and we all know it. No matter what the person being interviewed is really saying, its all in the editing. Another thing to keep in mind is that soldiers always bitch and soldiers always want to go home. No one, least of all a soldier, wants to travel to some far away place and fight a war and then get stuck there for what will seem like forever. Most people that haven't spent much time around soldiers are usually amazed at what they get away with saying. That's one of the differences between an American soldier and any other soldier in the world. To big media though its a big story when they bitch because big media has an agenda. Just for the record, are you forming your opinion based on what you see on the news or are you watching the news to find stories that support your opinion?
There is nothing that I can do or say to lessen the pain you feel about the injury/death that your nephew suffered. And I am sincerely sorry for your loss.
Forget about it. This time no one died, he'll get over it and so will we. Its kinda like flying. Any landing you walk away from is a good one. "What doesn't kill me makes me stronger."
I will forgive you for your voiciforous attack, and write it off as a crime of passion.
Funny, I don't recall asking for your forgiveness. If I ever feel a need I will. Got to be careful about that though. I wouldn't want it to lead to taking long warm romantic showers together.
But for the thousands of nephews and nieces, aunts, uncles, brothers, sisters, moms, dads, sons and daughters that are over there and haven't become a casualty yet, I feel I owe it to them in the very least to get them home safe
As I said above, if you can make that happen then do it. Somehow though I just don't think you've got that much pull.
If you really mean that then leave us in peace and expend your energy plaguing your government rather than us.
Having said all that and probably having offended you further, I'll go this far. I'll let it go if you will.