Okay, lets say with non-target type ammo what would the real world accuracy of the 9422 be with factory open sight at 25 and 50 yards? With a premium scope at the same distance(s).

One hole at 25. 1/2 inch at 50 with open sights, probably much better with a scope.

I use american eagle ammo. 10 bucks for 400 rounds its definatly not premium ammo. It is like bird dog says at 25 yards its goona be a one hole group and 50 it will be around 1/2". The factory bead on mine covered a one inch circle at 25 yards so as long as i just covered up the 1" sticky bullseyes there would be one ragged hole. However the farther out you went with the big bead it ruined the potential. At 100 yards i could barely see a digger squirrel if i put a bead on it. I filed the bead off so it is now an almost needle like post. Very precise.

I got similar results this weekend. I tried four different types of ammo. Federal Gold Match, Remington Subsonics, Remington Vipers, and CCI Stingers. The grouping of the stingers was very impressive at 50 yards.

I have yet to find ammo that the gun didnt like. I have also shot 22 shorts through it. There was never a jam, and providing that my shots stayed close they were accurate too. I have yet to try the 22 longs though. Im not really sure of the purpose of them.

I can cut the stem off pine cones in the highest trees, using iron sights and standard CCI or Remington ammo, so the 9422 good enough for squirrel hunting ( except maybe in the giant Redwoods).

My first 22 mag was last year and after sighting it in with a 4 X scope @ 100 yds. the best group I could get was about 3". I was going to hunt coyotes near farms and ranches and wanted a gun that could be used just about anywhere else as well. I returned the 9422 and got a CZ bolt action and I want to tell you, the CZ has been deadly.....5 shot groups with the right ammo gives 1''-1 1/2"@ 100yds. Use the wrong ammo. and it's like the 9422 !!!

I sure don't think your particular 9422M was up to par. That is without a doubt the worse shooting 9422M I've ever heard of! Most will shoot just like the CZ you're speaking of.

I hate to rain on anyones parade but if you are really expecting 1/2" groups at 50 yds. from a lever gun then you are going to be disappointed, expecially if you expect groups that size using open sights. As an example, Anschutz rimfire rifles are required to shoot 10 shot 1/2" groups at 50 meters before the factory will release them, they come with a test target as proof of the grouping. Cooper rimfire rifles are required to shoot 5 shot 1/4" groups at 47 yds. before they are released from the factory, they also come with a test target as proof of grouping. Both of these rifles are well in excess of $1000., to expect an off-the shelf, mass production rifle to shoot groups like that is setting yourself up for disappointment. These groups are fired using 36 power target scopes and using premium 22 ammo that costs around $10.00 per box so you figure out what the chances are of getting a lever rifle to duplicate groups like these.

I am sure that all of the well intentioned people who answered your question have shot a group as they stated, however there is a difference between an occassional fluke sized group and doing it time after time. Most all production guns are more than adequate for their intended uses but do not expect them to consistently shoot small groups.

wow, sounds like you must have tried it yourself. maybe not though? My 9422M is very capible of this task, I shoot over a decent rest, I do use a Burris FF2 3-9X40mm scope too though. Probably a little more scope than most would bother to hang on a lever rimfire, but I like it. I cut holes at 50 yds pretty easy. out to 100 yds I have to be a little choosy with the ammo but I've repeatedly grouped 3 shots inside 3/4" at 100 yds with mine. No I can't expect to rip em out there like that all day long as it is a lever gun with fore end wood to barrel contact & a band near the muzzle connecting the mag tube to the barrel. If I get it hot it will start to walk just as most anybody would expect, but I like knowing that I can grab that thing out of the case & take a head shot on a grouse or a squirrel out to a hundred yards with confidence.

Sorry to rain on his parade, but my Grandfather used to shoot pheasants on the fly with his Winchester 9422M and I never saw him miss. I understand it is illegal now, but he was 70 years old at the time and had already been shooting Coyotes with this gun for 15 years before I went Pheasant hunting with him. I remember the first time we went out. I shot one rooster with my 20 gauge and he got his limit with his 22 Mag. He preferred CCI Hollowpoints. These rifles are built to shoot and not all leveractions are inaccurate. I have about 40 lever guns and but for a few they are shooters with the right loads and iron sights are easy to shoot if that is what you are accustomed too. Ryan

I have a 9422m and it does honest 1" groups at 100 yards with open sights. I site mine in at 100 yards so the area to be hit sits on TOP of the front sight with the front sight hood being left on. It is very accurate. I had a 2x7 Luepold rimfire scope on it for a while but it ruins the feel of the rifle. I can get on target much faster than with a scope. I only wish I had gotten a 30-30 to match it before Winchester went out of business. Damn;I had one in my hands just 2 months ago but I am laid-off so I didn't buy it.

You'll be OK, (your 30-30 needs) . Just give it a little time, keep your eyes open for a used one. That's what I plan on doing. I can't believe that with all of the guns I have I don't own one either. so many chances to pick one up cheap in the past... I need one too. Things are in a panic right now, finding a new mod 94 on a shelf right now would be like winning the lottery, that just sounds silly doesn't it? I remember when I was a kid you saw winny 94's & Marlin 336 in sale flyers for big box stores just before hunting season & they were cheap! late 70's, early 80's they sold them things so cheap they would put a disclaimer on the bottom of the ad page "limit 2 per customer" just so there would be enough to go around.
things will settle down, you'll find a nice used one.

Glad to have a little backup on the 9422 accuracy thing. Walks With Fire, you're shooting "pumpkin on the post" style with open sights at 100 yds, keeping it tight & I believe it.
At 80 yds I took one shot at a flat silver thumb tack in the center of a white paper plate & I plugged that thumb tack right through the plate. It's the sort of little rifle that you could use to shoot flies off a white target board with.

Well those darned Olympic shooters will be glad to find out that they don't have to spend thousands of dollars on those "gosh-dern" foreign rifles with all of those funny apeture sights with all of the adjustments on them and they can save lots of money by not shooting that silly sounding named ammo like Ely and Lapua and all of that other odd sounding stuff.

The rimfire benchrest boys will be even happier because they are wasting $3000 - $4000 dollars on their rifles another $1000 or so on a 36 or 45 power scope and $12 - $15 per box on ammo not to mention all of the money they have thrown away on those silly $300 rests they use to shoot from and they will really be happy to know that they don't need wind flags or any of the other accessories that they use for shooting good groups, they must really be handicapped by having to use those 3 ounce triggers - heck, all they need to be competitive is a 9422 and be able to hold it tight. It looks like 9422's will be taking over the Olympic and Benchrest competitions.

Speaking of Olympics, I was watching the Biathlon competition and I am pretty danged sure that the US team is using 9422's and if I am not mistaken those sneaky Germans and Russians are too but they have sort of disguised theirs so they look like something else - boys, I really wish that you hadn't let the secret about the 9422's out.

Now for a more serious comment - a rifle cannot be considered a 1/2" or a one inch shooter if it does not do it consistently, as in time after time. If you can shoot 25 groups at 100 yds with your rifle and they average 1" then it (and you ) is a 1" shooter, but you have to count every shot and not disregard any because of wind, shooter error, called bad shots, oopsies, bad ammo, etc. Not only are most of the group sizes here severly understated but almost impossible to do given the sighting limitations of the factory sights. This is not to say that your rifle does not occassionaly shoot a 1' or even smaller group, it is to say that it does not do it consistently and if it does not do it time after time then it is not a 1" shooter. Chances are for every 1" group it has shot there was a least a 3 to 4" group that it shot also but no one wants to remember those because they don't make for good bragging or memories. I know shooters who have rifles that shoot "into one hole all of time when I do my part" but strange as it may seem it never seems to happen when anyone else is around, there always seems to be a problem that day.

I shot a witnessed 5 shot group, in competiton, at 100 yds that measured .190, did I keep that target and hang it on the wall? You bet I did but I never shot another group near that size again with that gun, it was day in and day out an inch and one-half gun but that time it fluked them into .190 and gave me a lot of bragging rights for a long time - there are still people who mention it from time to time - but we all know that the rifle was not capable of doing it on a consistent basis, it however was a consistent inch and one-half gun.

Now that I have had my fun I will drop the subject and if you truly want to believe that you and the rifle can shoot groups like that consistently then facts are not going to change your opinion, however just remember that it is human nature to remember the best shots and forget all of the lesser ones. Before posting unrealistic group sizes and giving the impression that groups of that size are what one should expect you should think about this - you are setting up the person who is contemplating buying one, your comments will lead them to unrealistically expect accuracy like that from theirs. You are creating false expectations by making accuracy claims from a rifle that cannot live up to those expectations even though it may be more than adequate for hunting standards. Take them for what they are - a fun rifle to shoot with more than adequate hunting accuracy.

wow, where's all this Olympics stuff coming from? 25 groups at a hundred yds and take the average, is that some kind of standard bench mark that us average Joes should know about? OK, I guess I'll try it so I can tell you exactly what sort of rifle I've got here. Do I have to do it in a certain amount of time? Will there be any skiing involved? I don't have a sling for mine so I dunno how well that would work out for me. That and the fact that I don't ski well.... and my wife will kill me if I buy a $300 rest & spend $15 on boxes of rimfire ammo.
These 25 groups, 3 round groups? 5 round? Can I clean the barrel between groups & let the barrel cool before starting the next group? I'd like to wait till spring or at least for a warmer day to try all of this. But I will do it because I guess I'd like to know.

Here's something to think about, this was a topic posted under the rimfire lever category about a rimfire lever rifle. For me that kind of set the tone & level of intensity for this thread, rimfire lever guys don't typically try to compete professionally with there little lever guns, they shoot squirrels & soda cans. So, with that being said. When a man asks what sort of groups can be had with a 9422, some of us perk up because we have them & are quite pleased with the accuracy. Not too many of us expect to be cut down by someone who has obviously not found enough to talk about in the competition shooting threads.

Many of us here in the fun plinking category had no idea that our 1/2" groups didn't count because we can't do it all day long. Most of us didn't buy them for Olympic competition or bench rest shooting. I bought mine because It's just so dang cute, the fact that it shoots as well as it does came as a surprise.
I'm sorry that you are offended by the idea that a few average Joes have reported astounding accuracy with these off the shelf lever guns. You can see that I have previously stated "... I've repeatedly grouped 3 shots inside 3/4" at 100 yds with mine." (I did this about 5 times in a row one day messing around, not 25 and no I had no sort of certified witness... ) I continue on to state " No I can't expect to rip em out there like that all day long as it is a lever gun with fore end wood to barrel contact & a band near the muzzle connecting the mag tube to the barrel. If I get it hot it will start to walk just as most anybody would expect, but I like knowing that I can grab that thing out of the case & take a head shot on a grouse or a squirrel out to a hundred yards with confidence." (see, that's pretty much um, straight forward I think?)
Never said anything about giving serious competitive shooters a run for the money or putting the little lever against a multi thousand dollar competition rifle. Jeesh, if you don't believe that some of us have learned that we can grab these things with a cold clean barrel & smack out a couple of tight groups, you don't have to believe it, that's fine. It must not be true because we didn't spend enough money on them? I don't see what's so hard to believe about the claims made here. Nobody is threatening to sweep the Olympics with this secret weapon. Like many other models the 9422 has it's following, it's fan base. Nobody here suggested that EvilGenius needs one of these if he wants to compete in the Olympics.... look at the posts "Pine cones" "Squirrels" "Pheasants" "thumb tacks" Are these normal olympic shooting targets? Have you ever seen an exhibition shooter blast an aspirin out of the air with a rimfire? I suppose the shooter would have to repeat the stunt 25 times over before you would recognize the fact that it can be done?

I'm not a biathlon shooter but I once hit/bounced a golf ball at 30, 45, and 50 + yards with my 9422 and open sights thats 3 tough shots at an object that is smaller than those disks they shoot in the biathlon. In fact, I am going to find out the size of those thing and compare them to my resettable spinning target that my friend tagged 4 times in a row at about 90 yards with the same gun. I have hit 3 in a row at that distance.All with the Rem bulk pack 525 rounds golden bullets. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

1.77" is the target size

my 94/22 shoots awesome 1 shot groups <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

9422 shoot as good as a cz anouther pipe dream from anouther un knowable city raised magazine reading person

what are you talking about? And why are you directing your comment at me?

What the hell does "un knowable city raised magazine reading paerson" mean?

Too funny, I can't believe someone dug this old thread up, it's over 2 years old.

Read it & you might take notice that it is not about 9422 vs cz.

Idholton,
Your response is rude and unwarranted. The poster stated he got 1 1/2" groups at 100 yards with his CZ. That isn't out of the question for a 9422M with ammo it likes. Maybe not with any ammo off the shelf, and maybe not every 9422M rifle will cut it, and, maybe that isn't exactly steller performance from the CZ. But 1 1/2"'s at 100 yards isn't unreasonable from a good pairing of rifle and ammo with the 9422M.

It's cool MOGC, I was kind of taken back by it, confused.. so I viewed a few of his other posts... and now I understand.

some kids just don't play well with others

man this is an old thread!!

But I still love my 9422, I wonder if the original poster Evilgenius ever got one for himself?

Comeon guys, don't get your panties in a bunch over group sizes, and old threads.

There are more serious things to discuss. such as the liklihood of the Obamination becoming the next president...! Wait and see what the socialist Democrats and the Obamination, do to our gun rights...!

Bill

I'm not going to get into figures and fuel more fire, but I will say that for a lever gun that is looked upon by many as a cool "plinker", 9422 Winchesters and 39 Marlins are surprisingly accurate. I have 3 39's and 2 9422's and they all are pleasingly accurate. On the negative side, there is this little matter called lock time that would prevent me from betting the farm against a 541S Remington or the likes.
dan

maybe this is the wrong place to ask, but I was just given a 9422 and a 9422mag. they are probably about 20 years old. the 9422 has nice checkering and pretty wood and is like new in the box. the 9422mag doesnt have any checkering and has a scope on it, it has been used a little but I would say 98% condition. What do you guys think these are worth. I just got these yesterday and have no idea

not worth much at all but I'll send you $600 for the pair sight unseen just cause it's friday, this is your 1st post & I'm such a damn nice guy.



welcome to the campfire.

Dave

Well I will definatly think about it . These little rifles just came along in a deal I made with one of my buddies. He doesent hunt or shoot, and his wife is very anti gun. He has had all these guns ever since his dad died. and he just wanted them out of his house. So me being a great freind, I made a little trade with him for a couple, and he told me to just take them all. So I did, I added a little money so I wouldnt feel like I was taking advantage of him and we were both happy. Now I dont know what to do with them.

the 9422's have a strong following, shouldn't have a hard time selling them if you wanted to.

when i first purchased my 96/22m i really liked the feel and handling. But when i took it out to shoot, i was not impressed with the trigger and accuracy.

So i put on a greenmountain 10/22 barrel and had some trigger work done to it. It is now a tack driver. Im glad that i did not sell it.