I've never put a scope on any of my ARs or AKs, so I really know nothing about the topic (I use iron sights or a red dot). I saw the SWFA 1-4x24 on sale at the SWFA site for $199. Anyone use this scope on an AR and if so, what are your thoughts?

https://www.swfa.com/swfa-ss-1-4x24-tactical-30mm-riflescope-109309.html

It’s fine for that. You could do a whole lot worse for the money. I had one and sold it. I discovered I tend to like the option of more magnification even if I’m starting at 1x. That and the avoidance of all things sfp.

I have one mounted on my Ruger SFAR and plan on keeping it there. I had initially mounted it on a 12.5" AR, but it seemed to heavy for that rifle so I moved it over to the SFAR and seems to be a good fit.

I would have no problem taking it out into the woods after deer. 4x is plenty for where I hunt.

Remsen I have them on a 223 and a 762x39 and they do quite well. I usually like a little more magnification but for those rifles they do what I need.

From the hip,I can only account for (6) Krunchentickers wearing said glass. Hint.

Though I have them on a herd of Turnbolts too. Hint............

Have one on a HK91. Holding up fine so far, but there's always hope......cuz it's a 91.

Is that really a 1.7 MOA triangle with a .3 MOA dot?

Seems very small.

Other than that, seems OK. I prefer more mag, but I have a few 4x on ARs and it's good enough for a lot of uses.

Poor poor(literally) Trybone,has gotta get caught stealing pics,to feign a fhuqking clue...the "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?



Fhuqking LAUGHING!.......................

Funny how you've saved that for, what? About a year now?

Anyway, thanks for posting that. It's a great example for Remsen of how NOT to mount a scope.

Remsen, whatever scope you end up with, mount it in a +3" forward cantilever so you can get the proper nose-to-charging handle head position. The way Fugstick has that mounted is only good for shooting off pogo sticks or a poor standing position. It's a guaranteed headache from prone and nearly impossible from sitting if you have normal anatomy. I guess dwarves like Fugstick are an exception.

Ain't it a fhuqking HOOT,that's as "close" as you'll ever get to one. Hint.



Bless your heart for DREAMING.

Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!................

That's OK. I generally prefer to avoid the company of angry midgets.

Let's start with WHAT AR ? A 300 BO pistol takes a lot different scope than 338 Lapua.

Trybone,

You HILARIOUSLY avoid ALL things Outdoors,you Magnificent Thieving Fhuqk. Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!..................

Thanks to all for the advice. It's going on a basic 5.56 AR build with one difference (for me), an 18" barrel. I have AR pistols and M4 clones, but nothing with a longer barrel. No purpose in particular for this build, I just wanted to have one to see how it differs from something like an M4 at distances over a few hundred yards.

I've never seen one on an 18". Hint.



Fhuqking LAUGHING!.................

Another screwed up mounting job! 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣

You just can't help yourself. I guess I shouldn't tease, you have screwed up anatomy or are just stupid.

If you want to go cheap on the mount, get a Primary Arms. It's a little high (1.5") if you are going to do a lot of prone shooting, but fine for hunting.
https://www.primaryarms.com/primary-arms-deluxe-extended-ar15-scope-mount-30mm

I prefer a little lower mount (1.3") like this Pacific Tool - https://pacifictoolandgauge.com/pac...tra-precision-one-piece-scope-mount.html
or the slightly cheaper PRI - https://www.precisionreflex.com/scope-rings/58-30mm-cantilever-low-ring-set.html


If you are shooting off a bench, just get those $15 Tasco rings like Fugstick. 😂

You keep riding the pine and perfecting that Whine...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?



Bless your heart,for "getting" to read about The Outdoors.

Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!.................

I’ve got one on a Mini-14. If it survives on that whammer-bammer I’d say it’s good to go. $199 is a steal.
Mine’s mounted in SWFA rings, another bargain.

Yes, Fugstick, I work indoors. It helps me afford a place that's not next to the dumpster at the fish cannery.

Trybone,

I barely make 200K++++. Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!..............

Think about it, he is 5'4" tall and has no neck. That mounting "job" is spot on for him.

Then why do you live in a dump?

I'm happy to be what you NEED most. Hint.

You Clueless Brokedick Drooltards are a fhuqking HOOT! Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!.........

I appreciate the offer. I can always use a piece of ass, but you don't qualify. 😂

Good way to get into magnified optics.

The chuckleheads are discussing scope mounting so here is how my friend Kyle has his mounted.

Notice no silly nose to charge handle and the optic is well forward of the charging handle.



Here is a 1-6 Mk6 on a .308 showing proper optic mounting.



Two 18 inchers in 5.56 and 6.5mm CM showing proper optic mounting.

I guess that's fine for someone who doesn't know how to use a shooting sling. But you're the only one I've ever seen recommend mounting the scope half on the float tube and half on the receiver. It's not best practice by any stretch of the imagination. Float tubes bend and get bent.

You call N-T-CH silly, but what have you ever won with an AR that involved not shooting from some sort of artificial support?

ETA: At least you are smart enough to know the scope should be forward of the CH. Someone taught you well on that part.

At the risk of educating someone, the reticle is in mils.

Thank you! Makes sense.

Eye relief is pretty short on 4x on that scope. I'm 6'2, and have mine mounted just rear of the CH, using an A2 stock. Looks funny, but thats what works for me. And that's what matters. I'd be all up on the charging handle otherwise.

At $200 for a SWFA you have nothing to loose.

If you don't like it in 6 months... mail it to me and I will drop you a check for $200.

The Minox ZA5 HD 1.2-6x24 (30mm) was my my default go-to for cheap class... I am sure a SWFA will suit you fine

The eye relief on a Leupold Mark 6 1-6x20 is 3.7" (That is actually very impressive)

https://www.leupold.com/mark-6-1-6x20-m6c1-illum-ffp-762-cmr-w-riflescope



This shooter is @ 5"

FYI... this in not a Leupold Mark 6 1-6x20 (3-18 maybe?)



Summary... the scope is too far forward.

Edit... John will argue now...

Have one on a 10/22 and one on my 700 300BO.
Works good in both those applications for me, though I’m about to switch the one on the BO to a 3-9x that’s sitting idle.

I am sure you are used to telling people something 4 inches long is really 5 inches and almost average.

I knew you would argue John...

But seriously...

If you are going to ACT like a expert... try not to be wrong so often.

Fair enough?

I do typically correct someone when they respond to my posts with misinformation.

When you properly mount the optic. That's a 4.5-14 Leupold on 4.5X.

John... I also knew you would double down...

SO... your advice to all shooters is to mount an optic 1.5" beyond the manufacturer recommend eye box?

I stand corrected... The Eye relief on 4.5-14 Leupold at 4.5X is 4.4"

That is crazy good...

Edit...

That does not look like a 4.5-14 to me...

Edit again... that is a 34mm tube correct?

Wouldn't that make it impossible to be a 4.5-14?

The scope used in the video is a 4.5-14.

Kyle is shooting a Mark 5 3.6-18.

In case anyone was wondering what failure looks like.

LOL

From FIVE YARDS????????????????????

Incredible!!!!!

LOL

Leupold says the eye relief on that scope is 3.5" to 3.8"



Again I ask why you would mount a scope 43% more forward than specified by the manufacturer?

Just seems odd to make a shoot strain like that.

What is your logic in the decision?

That scope has 3.5" eye relief also.

Maybe the shooter is short or handicapped.

Just seems off to me.

Secret to your moa guarantee. Shoot at 5 yards..

Does he look to be straining?

I am laughing at your 5 ".

LOL.

It should come as no suprise you think MOA changes with distance.

You need to read a "Angular Measurements for Retards" book.

Yes... that is a terrible stance.

The question remains...

"Why you would mount a scope 43% more forward than specified by the manufacturer?"

Is it a marketing thing?

Does it sell more guns?

SWFA 1-4x24 is clear and bright glass, user friendly.

ULTRA durable.

SSALT mount and rings work great!

I hate to interrupt the bashing to get back to the OP's question, but I'm interested too. Is the reticle bold enough for quick shooting? I see the scope is SFP.

The OD on an AR-10 mag well is 3.6"-3.8"

I was estimating 5" based on that.

LOL.

Kyle Lamb will be out at the end of the month to do some hunting.

I will tell him a rando guy on the internet thinks his stance is terrible.

You are so far out of your lane.

The reticle is in the link...

IMHO it is cluttered (but I am #1 and #4 kinda guy).

Good news is that it says "Illuminated"...

The other good news is that it costs $200...

Yes, very bold reticle, good for close up and not too shabby at distance either. Damn near a red dot on 1x, with illumination turned on.

Holy Smoke... there are multiple Tontos?

I bet that get awkward...

John... Again I ask why you would mount a scope 43% more forward than specified by the manufacturer?

What is your logic in the decision?

Meh. I got lots of friends.

Your ruler sucks.

Optic is mounted for perfect eye relief.

Reticle is fine for me. Very good contrast. Copy on the "red dot". Illuminated 10 settings.

Copy that...

You have no idea what you are doing.

I ordered one with the mount added. SWFA scopes are well made so I figure I can't lose for under $250.

His ruler is BS, you mount the scope where your eyes like it. Not from some note on the spec sheet.

You'll probably love it. It tracks dead on, as well, if you were inclined to use it on out there. Had mine on a .22 for a bit, and maxed the elevation out frequently.

LOL.

Of course you mount a scope to your eye box... specs are only a ball park to start

That scope is at least 1" too far forward... closer to 1.5" IMHO.

Pretty comical when Burns isn't the biggest douche in the thread.

Shoot a lot of ARs out there in Oregon? Mount a lotta scopes on ARs?

Wide open comment... Mount a scope... ANY SCOPE... 2"-2.5" forward of the charging handle... and let me know what you think.

LOL.

As said your ruler is screwed up.

Magic happens when the optic is mounted properly and a WIZARD is holding the rifle.

LMFAO….. $40k?! That’s a decent vacation.

Did you seriously just post a 3” 10 shots @15’ vid?!
With a $4500 rifle? Jesus Christ, ai could throw bullets like darts more accurately at that range.

Why in the hell someone would put there nose on a changing handle and run 10.5" LOP just to crane to see an optic... on a hunting rig?

Just plain nuts...

What possible advantage is there vs. running a proper LOP with a properly mounted scope?

That is the question.

I honestly don't think you have a clue about this stuff.

Post a video of you doing that under 2.5 seconds with 10 rounds.

You're so dumb you don't even understand what you watched.

But I am not really suprised. You have been so far out of your lane for so long you thing the Wrong Way signs are just recomendations.

LOL.

You see any one with NTCH?

Lordy your brain is smoooooth.

Regarding the OP and the SWFA scope... buy it... buy it now...

I suspect they will be sold out very very soon at that price.

Great value at $200

Have you seen the coke bottles this fella used to sport? Lasik ain't even gonna fix that.....what works for him, ain't gonna work for someone with decent vision, and he can't even "see" that to understand what it might mean.

Yes John... you in both video...

You are totally wadded up in both of them... straining to glass.

WHY?

I guess man...

Kinda makes sense... but he sells guns to newbies and whatnot... Why not try and help them with a solid 5x5 setup out the gate?

Hell, I run a full out ACS on most of my stuff and that is barely comfortable.

You see about as well as you shoot. For Schiet.

Congradulations?

m

5 yds? I can shoot 40 yds inside my home in a self defense scenario, 5 yds is across half my bedroom. I’m guessing life in a single wide trailer tends to skew your
Reality but JFC….. LMAO! 5 yds….

You win John...

Carry on...

There’s no “d” in congratulations you fat fugk.

I wasn't trying to be nice to him, but I guess that good ol Southern charm hid it well, Grandma would be proud. I don't get his ego, or why someone trying to rep a brand would act like that, but I digress. Thread was about the 1-4x Swfa, which has a short eye relief on 4x, and said optic is not going to be optimal mounted at his version of ideal. Although for 2 bucks, it can't be beat. I got mine at 3 and a half, and it's easily worth that, much less for the 2.

It's OK Jack...

Burns needs to win at something besides booze and hog jowls.

I let the "D" go as well.

Hmmmmmm uh ok… I’m glad they made a book for you on angular measurements for retards.

For $200 I’ll dip my toe into the SWFA pool. I can always use another good, reliable LVPO and since I’ve yet to own an SWFA for $200 it’s pretty low risk for a product everyone raves about.

Obnoxiously short eye relief. I bought one last year. The reticle and light control are good, but the eye relief is stupid short. They list the weight wrong too. 16.1 ounces. I bought it for an AR and ended up putting it on a 22 with a collapsible stock.

You aren't going to mount the SWFA that far forward.

Really? Well that sucks.

They call it 3.1" to 5" on their site, but I will believe you over a manufacture claim.

A good eye box is YUGE.

Do a post about it after you get it...

Be curious on your thoughts. Thanks.

Trying to stay indoors as much as possible, so I picked up another one of these a couple months ago.

Tell him where it's being said.

Maybe he'll make an account.

Yeah, I bought one of those mounts from you, wished I would have left it on your shelf and kept my f'n money in my pocket.

What are you complaining about?
You got 7 screws to hold it on for your money!
That's premium!

7 is like a lucky number for fasteners.

Well, that and I tried it on a number of upper/handguard combos, no dice unless I wanted to leave one screw out, it looked dicy with just 6 screws, I was afraid my Simmons Aetec wouldn't hold zero

Will do. 👍

LOL.

So your handguard was out of spec for slot spacing.

Airsoft chinese stuff will bite you in the ass.

Send it back and I will refund your money if it's in new condition.

I will post picture of it on in spec uppers/rails just for funnies.

Better make sure he takes payments of 4 easy installments. $79 is a lot of coin.
LOL

It's $129.00 and I can't keep them in stock.

I think we have another run off the CNCs and on the way to anodize.

I can turn his in an hour if he has not ruined it.

Funny thing is it will go on any in spec rail, every time.

I don't expect him to actually return it. He just wants to bitch because he buys Airsoft chiniesium parts.

John, Is your mount meant specifically to bridge the gap between the receiver and upper hand guard? It looks like it might straighten any minor differences out and looks solid.

Yes.

The handguard will need to properly space the slot for the mount.

Most do.

G rails.


Midwest rails.



SLR rails.



It stabilizes the upper/handguard joint.

Makes sense. Thanks

I might have to try one on an ARC I’m building. 👍

Dang... y'all sure do seem busy as hell...

Are those tumbleweeds in the parking lot?

Hard to tell at this resolution...

Truth is John... I do wish you well... real and genuine success.

Something went wrong along the way I reckon... booze maybe? Don't know.

I hope ya get your chit together before whatever it is kills you...

Be thankful. This saved you from a dumb idea.

If you want a rail like that, get one from White Oak, mount it on the receiver like you're supposed to and put some forward-offset rings on it to get eye relief.

Personally, I'd check the spacing & height specs on some +2" or +3" cantilever mounts and find one that fits your scope.

Depending on the scope... a PEPR is a pretty good solution IMHO...

Yes, it's plenty bold enough for quick shooting.............in fact, that's it's forte, IMO.

It's not a great scope for 600 yard shooting with a fine reticle & at the ranges & for it's intended use, SFP is more than fine.

Eye relief is adequate, not great............not a really great eyebox, but fine & useable for most normal folks; mine is mounted about even with the rear of the charging handle & works just fine.

MM

Burns, up until that post I gave you the benefit of doubt thinking you couldn't be that big of a douche, well, I was wrong, Aero Precision builds, M4E1 and M5E1 uppers with either the enhanced handguards or R-One/S-One handguard, didn't fit a one.

Honestly, I was warned before I bought it that I would be disappointed, I guess the ARF crowd was right about it and you.

So, before you trash my builds, how about you actually handle one, unlike you, I actually have your [bleep] product in my possession, taking up space in my toolbox. There's hope though, it looks like it would make a great doorstop on the shop.

I use Aero or Warne Cantilever mounts, just thought I'd try to share a Nightforce between a bolt and an AR, dumb idea.

I will put it in the mail, no airsoft here, good to know Aero isn't spec

Edit: If anyone here was seriously considering one of these or actually wanted to see one up close and personal, I'd be happy to send it to you. Just drop me a PM with your address.

I damn sure don't need his money and I have pissed away more on more ridiculous chit with wild ass claims.

F' Puddin Burns

LOL.

I have handled many Aero handguards and they are out of spec with the upper spacing.

Put the riser on just the rail and you will see the spacing is right on the riser.

It won't bridge because Aero didn't correctly continue spacing from the upper to the handguards.

If you come here to bash my products don't be suprised when you get your nose rubbed in your pooh.

So now tell the class the truth that the riser fits on either the upper or the handguard but won't bridge because of Aero out of spec spacing.

Is there actually a published spec for rail spacing? Who would be the authority on that spec?

Yes.

Pic rail specs

The issues is dummies like above buy rails that don't continue the slot spacing from the upper.

In other words the slot spacing on the rail by itself is fine but is not in time with the slot spacing of the upper.

Aero does this for some unexplained reason while the vast majority of quality manufacturers follow the Mil Spec and time slot spacing to the upper.

The dummy above never took the time to see that my riser is in spec but instead bitched because his setup was out of spec.

Weaver makes a 20 moa cantilevered riser that seems pretty nice. Only has two fasteners though. May not be as stout as other options. I used one on a 6 arc range toy and like it fine for that purpose. So far it hasn't given me any trouble, anyway.

https://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item/0002999675/ar15-20-moa-flat-top-riser-rail-matte

Where did Darryle the dipschiet go of to?

Is he counting pic rail slots?

This is your idea of getting smashed?

Wow, your definition of smashed needs an update.

You could get a PRI single-throw lever riser and swap out the entire scope/rings/base assembly for the same price as John's POS.
And it's cantilevered too, so you get more flexibility in mounting without that bad idea of spanning the float tube.

Puddin, any links to top tier operators posting on the web about hanging out with you?

There are a whole lotta options for risers, most much cheaper than Johnny MIC'Gutshot's contraption.
https://www.ar15.com/forums/AR-15/Wyoming-Arms-Optic-Riser/18-772837/

Yet the optics riser is in spec and your AR is out of spec but you were to dumb to figure it out.

Good Smash.

In spec riser on in spec upper/handguard.

Are we no longer talking about the whopping 2.3 inches of eye relief at 4X on the SWFA 1-4?

Worried about getting scoped by a 223?

Eye relief seems perfectly fine to me. Had it mounted on a 12.5” AR but have since moved it over to a SFAR 308.

I would consider an AR as having multiple rails. Receiver rail and handguard rail(s). I am sure that there are manufacturers that take rail spacing into account, and try to set them for a continuous rail. With the various upper and handrail makers as well as various mounting systems, is there really an industry wide expectation that the receiver and handguard should form one continuous rail with exact spacing? If there is actually a mil spec that specifies that? I don’t see it as very common to bridge the two rails?

I may have a bad one. There's a reason that most manufacturers don't make scopes that provide only 2.3 inches of eye relief at maximum power. It makes for an unnatural mount. The shooter either has to crawl the scope or mount it far back. If 2.3" is no issue, then why the need to substantially fudge their numbers? Just advertise the actual eye relief and the actual weight.

The 4X ACOG eye relief is only about 1.5".

That was my thread on ARF, to say those guys don't like Puddin is an understatement

Yet, my dumb ass bought one anyway

You bought an out of spec AR and wondered why my in spec riser wouldn't bridge but we do agree you are a dummy.

Congradulations?

In spec AR and in spec riser doing the bridge thing.

Seems like you made some friends over there.
Loved the “for that price why buy an UNKNOWN brand.”
One guy suggested a UTG over yours?! LMFAO….

In spec AR and handguard, in spec riser, bridge, and proper shooting stance for the win.

Kudos to Wyoming arms

I mounted a WA riser today. I had to leave a screw out where the upper receiver meets the rail because there are no pic slots there. Is that where your screw didn't fit?

Darryle?

Darryle are you out there?

Listing your scheit on eBay to help cover the costs of a UTG riser? LMAO…

I offered him a full refund.

He didn't want that.

Wonder why?

It might ryhme with "in spec riser".

How you doing tonight, Blondie?

Dreamin of my pants?

You look gay as fugk.

In spec AR and in spec handguard and in spec Wyo Arms riser.

Much Profit from in spec.



Sad sack out of spec Darrely the DumbSheit is still struggling.

First impression of the SWFA 1-4 that arrived yesterday is that it’s built like a tank! It feels stout, turrets are crisp and everything works properly. I adjusted the diopter to my setting and played with the illumination. I’m impressed that even with my astigmatism I can clearly see the dot inside the Diamond through most of the illumination settings.

The glass is very bright and the reticle is one that I find instinctive. This scope caused me to shuffle a bunch of scopes. I was going to order another BTR 2-12 but with this sale I decided to buy another 1 of these immediately along with another set of rings only in low this time.

I took the BTR 2-12 off my 20” Whelen and mounted this SWFA 1-4 instead. The BTR will go on a .338WM and the next SWFA 1-4 will go on an AR….which leads me to think I’ll be getting 2 more of these in the next week or so.

I don’t find eye relief to be an issue and it’s not tough to get behind if mounted properly for the shooter. It might be more finicky than other scopes but I’m so used to different things that I’m usually able to adapt. We’re all built different so what works great for me might be terrible for someone else.

I think it’s a great scope at a great price. FWIW….this SWFA 1-4x24 feels like I’d expect a “mil-spec” quality scope to feel like and perform (superficially) like as compared to the Bushnell 1-6x24 which feels “consumer grade”. Totally subjective but that’s my honest take. I’d buy more of the Bushnell 1-6x24 for $120 and I’ll damn sure buy a couple more of the SWFA 1-4 for $200.

Hmmmm...I'd never heard of said glass,or let alone seen one and was put off by Handicapped Spandex "Reviews". Now I'm contemplating giving one a whirl. Obliged. Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!.............

That's weird about the eye-relief not being an issue. You'd think a guy that shoots one doe ever 8 years should know something about shooting.

Likely,when pedaling sooooooo FAST from Reality...the wind induced Estrogen fueled tears,skew actual scope mounting. Hint.

Though fortunately,Imagination and Pretend are free,so even Pedalists can "afford" to "contribute". Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!...............

Glad you like it brother. I can't help but wonder if somehow the eye relief on these varies from one unit to the next. A few say theirs is way too short. Others acknowledge that it's short but not an issue. I don't think anyone has reported that they get the advertised 5 inches at 1X. Did you weigh yours by chance?

The reticle is EXCEPTIONALLY well done. Lighting control is as well.

I killed more SCI class Kodiak blacktails than you did. LOL.

Paula,

Have you ever worn enough Spandex,to kill one as big as Trybone's? Hint.



Fhuqking LAUGHING!..................

Well since this thread has gone to schit anyhow (predictably), what are folks’ thoughts on the 1-6x24 SS HD circle/Mil? I threw one on a stock Colt EPR with a SSALT mount, sighted it in at 100 and it has resided behind my pickup seat ever since. That was back in May or so.

It is on the only AR that I own, bought last January. The only reason I did so was because I had 10-12 magazines that I forgot about and never turned back into supply when I left Camp Lejeune in 2008.

I just am not an AR guy, nor a fan of semi-auto anything in general.

I actually LOL’d at that.

Hmmmmm...I've never seen one. Hint.

Perhaps consult Paula and/or Trybone?!? Hint.



Fhuqking LAUGHING!.............

T, I like it alot myself. I have one on a 308 AR and another on my 6mm ARM AR. I think for GP utility they are really good scopes and I can't seem to break them yet, so that's always a plus.

The eye relief and illumination is great on them as well. I like the donut of death for 1X shooting and it offers decent precision when turned up to 6X.

👍

The 1-6x HD Lit Bitch,has lotsa merits. Hint.

You can drive it butt nekked and exposed or wearin 'caps. The reticle and illumination are Skookum,with the erector jiving same and on THE fhuqking money. My sole lament,is that it doesn't share the 1-4's reserve battery cap. Hint.





The glass is fast and forgiving,along with being FFP...which is THE way. Hint.

Now I have another asswhole to contend,when they arise. Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!...............

I think they have enough eye relief to put on a heavier recoiler as well. Been kinda thinking about something like it for my 375 Improved as well. I like the versatility of them and I don't think they'd getting whooped on some.

Comments like this coming from a trusted member make me wonder if I didn't somehow get a defective one. Do you have 5" at 1X

A DISSENTING pard I work with,who schleps Africa at least once a year,was smitten after seeing some of mine. The Fhuqker beat me to one on The Sample List and poked it upon his Custom Pre-'64 '70 375H&H and killed hist best(to date) Cape Buff' with it,earlier this year. Also an exceptional Sable. Hint.

He's visited numerous times and is familiar with the grind and the weather,which obviously greased said skids. Nothing here is "dry",nor pampered and wares sort themselves out HASTILY. Hint.

Hell...before I met him,he even drove Reupold! Now he won't even touch one on a DARE. Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!................

You are hard to get in front of on the Sample List at times.


They've been so barren lately I have slacked off from searching them often.

While I'm happy to help folks,pards have smoked me on The Sample List,more than a few times. Fhuqkers. Hint.

Laughing!..................

I have a 1-6 HD on a 7.5 lbs 375 H&H. Love it. Plenty of ER. On low X it's as fast as a large aperture peep; on 6x you get the bare MQ to aim at things a long way off. You also get 10 mil per rev. Very versatile.

Not that it's as impactful as the mechanics, but I find the glass to be very good on the SWFA HD line.

I'm still at a loss...is Paula's Imaginary Buck,bigger than Trystain's Stolen Buck?!? Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!..........

To minimize my contact with your ignorant ass, besides, as you said earlier, you'll just turn around and resell it, probably as new to some other unsuspecting idiot.

So, it can sit in the top of my toolbox as a constant reminder to listen when someone offers you advice.

Puddin, I don't have time to sit waiting with bated breath for your snappy comebacks.

I don't know anything about that schitt.

I do know, however, that these are both bulletproof.

And, unlike that contraption in Fug Stick's picture of the deer, these are properly mounted.

Im not the smartest guy in town, I do work at the dump. But in order to clean that AR you have to take that scope every time, that would get old after awhile.. Or are you hoping people never shoot these things after they buy them??

Damn Big money Hustla. Nugget

Figure I better qoute this before someone tells you how ARs work and how stupid was your post.

???????

Why am I not suprised you also have no clue how an AR works?

I work at the dump... and I'm not a drunk like you... but the one thing we have in common we never felt the touch of a women..

Lol I was referring to it being bridged and having to take the scope off to clean it, but you don't. Rifle will obviously pull apart to clean lol. Burns is strutting around his dive bar like a rooster right now yelling I'm the smartest man in Wyoming. The other drunks in the bar are going you are damn right Johnny! Buy us another round.

LOL.

Like klubbin Baby Seals.

How will I ever clean this in spec AR?

I'm a winner yeah we know Johnny buy us another round please...

It's such a quandry to clean in spec ARs w/ in spec risers.

You knock out the take down pins to separate the upper and lower. You can get the bulk of the cleaning done that way. What do you clean on a routine basis that would require further disassembly

I did ultimately find a use for the SWFA 1-4. It wasn't on an AR. This rifle and this scope deserve each other.

^^^ All still for sale. ^^^

LOL

^^^Can't get an OEM Ruger to run. ^^^

LOL

"Run," that's cute. The magazines wouldn't seat in a brand new rifle. Pretty sure that wasn't a cleaning issue.

What??? take down pins??? what are those?? I never even shot an evil AR15 they are just an evil weapon. All we need is a model 94 and a 1911

Did you use your strong hand?? Nugget

John Burns- You know what guys (slurring real bad) My mom really did love me! And I'm a winner!

Burns and BullShitArtist1917 need to hook up and start the "I'm a LEGEND in my own mind " club, start their own forum, and leave the rest of us the hell alone, since, according to them, we're all a bunch of idiots and so far below them in all ways.

Used to have a name for fuuucks like them in the Corps, called them "blow- asses". No matter what, they were always better, and had a million excuses when their B.S. was proved to be just exactly that.

I'd rather read BigStick's ramblings any day than the condescending crap these 2 throw up.

That is the most laughable picture posted on 24HC in calendar year 2022.

I am actually embarrassed for you John.

PLEASE go to AA...

Or seek help in any manner you see best.

I am serious...

That pic is like a warthog raping a rabbit...

Fugg...

Projection.

It's a thing.

Following me about like a love sick teenage chick is funny.

Keep it up.

In spec AR and in spec riser.

HOLY CHIT...

Does it come with matching earrings?

OK...

Does it come with a matching rhinestone purse made of vegan leather?

Does Tonto set the turquoise stones to make it authentic?

In spec AR and in spec riser.

Profit.

OK...

In Spec AR and In Spec riser and a flashlight.

Profit.

I thought you hadn't sold a single gun in 2 years?

The scope arrived today and as those who gave the thumbs up indicated, it's a good match with an AR. I've only shot paper so far but I can't imagine a better optic for my needs. Thanks again to all who responded.

+1

Thanks for the thread.

In spec AR and in spec riser.

Keep going John... your FADED GLORY is showing...

John...

Can you post any pictures that are not 20 years old?

Maybe before you became a raging alcoholic?

Thanks in advance!

Do you get 5 inches of eye relief at 1X

Pretty sure I don't, but 5 inches is a bad subject in my house.

LOL.

In spec AR and In spec handguard and in spec riser with flashlight.

10 year old Profitting.

1998?

Back when you were steady enough not to detox a camera?

Go John Go!

In spec all the things.

Have any pics from 1999+?

Thanks in advance

In spec all the things.

Show us a few pictures of yours lipshit.

Hey... John's got a friend!

That is awesome...

You a raging alcoholic also?

He's got a point. Piling on JB seems to be a favorite hobby of folks who don't actually have any idea what makes a good AR anyway.




I don't know anything about John Burns or SWFA optics. But I've got $100 that this whole fiasco started because somebody didn't realize there weren't any pic slots at the upper-rail junction.

...

What is this "spec" you keep referring to?

Could you point us to a page # in a TDP?

Happy Thanksgiving, you big turkey.

For countries that have a Moon Rock.

Mil Standard 1913

Countries that do not have a rock from the moon.

STANAG 4694

Where in said document does it specify that the fore end and upper be continuous spacing?

Because your upper or rail of choice isn't spec'd 100%

It only took me a year to finally get some time on the AR with the SWFA 1-4 and I'm really pleased with this setup. I took it out to play in the dirt, just to see how much abuse the scope and the rifle can take, and I was humbled. Not a single issue after a day of beating on it...I can't imagine a better combo than this optic with this rifle. It's not meant to be a long range shooter, just something that can handle crowd control from 0-200 yards, and that lit reticle really impressed me.

That's a durable, functional scope, & it's eye relief & eyebox is not nearly as good as what's available today.

And I've had a couple but have moved on.

And no need to limit your power range to 4x either; plenty of 6x & 8x in the same size package, with even a couple of 10x's but that's a bit much for a small objective to handle well.

Mm

MM, What are you liking in the LPVO world right now? For example, in a 1-8? Or 1-6?

Thanks in advance.

Looks good OP.

I have an Athlon Midas 1-6x24 with an illuminated reticle that I really like. I’m not a fan of buying Chinese products but the Gen 1 was on clearance a few years back for a price too good to pass up and had been great.

I have an astigmatism so really like the LPVO over a red dot. The red dots work for me but the LPVO makes shooting more fun. I can still shoot with both eyes open but with a clean aiming point and the ability to shoot well at longer ranges.

Nothing really high end..........Vortex Strike Eagle & Sig MSR & Tango's in both 6 & 8x.

They break, they fix 'em.

So far nothing broke but I don't thrown down on cement either.

The adjust just fine & hold zero & the reticle are user friendly for the purpose.

MM

Thanks, MM.

so I am guessing the newer made SWFA 1-4's are as durable as the older ones! I might try and find another one myself, used probably.

Without getting too far into the weeds of comparisons/contrast and lay it out from a guy that has a pile of rounds on an swfa 1-4 and other lpvo’s..


Swfa 1-4 cons
The illumination sucks. It isn’t useful at all on a sunny day.

The 1x experience isn’t great. It’s not straight rubbish but it’s not good either. Plenty of warping. Anything close to 1x at that 7-20yard range means 4x is really badly out of focus. This is sample size of 2.

My 2 haven’t tracked very well. No access to notes but on a known 22lr the disparity between reticle and turret was a lot. That’s all I remember.

Not a fan of the reticle.

Exposed turrets on a hard use run-gun need zero stops. I’d rather not use washers.. especially windage

Construction doesn’t scream robust.

Drops from chest high onto snowpacked driveway the zero shifted.. same rings/rails same hour with a known 6x swfa and lrhs passing with flying colors.

Pro:s
Weight. In a world of 22-27oz scopes it’s nice to run something so light.

10 mils on the erector is good

Swfa had a good vortex like warranty.

The size is nice

Eye relief and eye box are acceptable.


In review. It doesn’t hold zero, it doesn’t track, 1x sucks, and the illumination is useless
But it’s a 275 dollar scope that’s small and lightweight, and it’s not made in china.


Biggest reason I don’t run one on 22lr trainer is the mag ring throws the wrong way. Pisses me off. It’s a perfect scope for that role. Don’t need an ATACR for that kind of rifle.