I have a Stag lower with there 2 stage trigger, its a great trigger but want a "nice" single stage trigger, something in the 3 lb range. Can anyone recommend one?

Thanks

PP

I have 2 LMT single stage triggers but they are factory.....I replaced them with WOA tuned RRA triggers.

Timney is very good.

I have a Timney and installed it myself in about 15 minutes. If you knew me, you would be impressed by that...

It's a great trigger.

Can the Timney be tuned to break like a bolt gun trigger?

Passport,

The JP comes pretty highly reccomended.
http://www.jprifles.com/index.php

My armorer buddy says they'll break nicely, around 3#. I don't have experience with it, as I'm happy with my RRA.

I have not pulled all the single stage ones out there, but I have yet to pull one that breaks like a right bolt gun trigger. Good yes. Right. Nope. Never without some creep..

The AR Gold does.

I believe you had tried the Geiselle, if so, doesn't it break like a bolt gun? At $270, it had better......

Allen

Any idea what the 2 stage I have now is worth? Is a really good trigger just too light, super clean. The gun was a Super Varmiter and I made it into a 16 inch CAR gun, thus the need for a new trigger.

I have both the Timney and McCormick and the McCormick is the best.

I put a JP trigger in my Bushmaster and like it a lot. Breaks nice and crisp at 3 lbs. Real nice triggers and won't break the bank.
Good luck!

Geiselle yes, but those never get mentioned here in single stage.... rarely anyway, and are high dollar, most folks are thinking 100-150 buck triggers. BTW the Geiselle, like any good one, has to be set up correctly to be great.

And nope... have yet to test an AR gold.... oldman whatever the F he was, touted them too.... which made me puke....

I have always liked my Chip McCormick single stage match. Expensive, but crisp.

What is your price range?

hammer

Im open, I dont want to spend 250 or anything like that, as close to 100 as I can keep it. Kinda hoping I can find a used one.

Not going to tell you what you really need ect. Just curious if you have ever tried a good two stage trigger? You will probably find a lot cleaner breaking trigger in a two stage.

Ok, i'll play dumb. All my rifles have single stage triggers, explain to us that do not know what is the difference? I am all ears.

I have a great 2 stage now, just too light. Plus I never cared for a 2 stage. My hope is to make the trigger as "bolt action" like as I can.

The issue in the past has been, and its been addressed, Geiselle has a decent version and supposedly AR Gold is ok too, but the rest....good but not perfect either, that in a semi auto you cannot right a light single stage as it'll jump the sear due to how hard the actions run in recoil... much like a bit too light a bolt gun trigger, if you run the bolt hard and rough, you can make it not catch the sear eihter.

Anyway with a 2 stage you can hold that from jumping by the 2 stages, and set the intial one to be maybe 2-3 pounds give or take, but the second around a pound or so.... And there is a definite stop in there... pretty simple actually... I'd never shot one till I bought an M1A.. and now I love them or at least lets say I have no qualms using them... you pull the weight up on the first stage as you get ready, it gets to the stop, then when you are actually ready, you apply a pound more pressure, that breaks like a glass rod, and its gone... Single stage cannot be that crisp due to action of the recoil and so on.

So Rost, should I just learn to shoot the 2 stage better or switch to the single stage?

Ya got me thinking I should just run what I have now.

I would just stay with the two stage and go by what rost recommends, he's BTDT more than most.

Thats your call totally.. like I said the Geiselle was ok and have not touched the AR gold but I've heard a lot of comments on JP and some other triggers being perfect single stage AR triggers and when I've tried them, lets just say my definition of perfect and the owners is different.

Personally I"d stick with the 2 stage as I said, IMHO its a safer design(although it can double too if the engagement wears too much but you can get that back easy enough) and I think you said it was too light...get more weight on the second stage till you are happy.

I might think other wise if I was running only IPSC or such... but as it is, I run an AR well enough that I use my 2 stage there before to win stages of the AR portions.... when everyone tells me I can't or shouldn't be able too... I can shoot the 2 stage fast enough to make me happy, IE controlled aimed fire every second is fast enough....

Me thinks you are correct. Im a AR newbe and probly are best served by running what I have till I know what I really want.

Thanks for the help guys.

Check out this site-
http://www.triggerwork.net/arparts.html

FWIW I've NEVER seen a job like on that link last a long time. Not more than a few thousand rounds and simple geometry tells you that yes that trigger will be better than standard factory, but due to geometry and the gun that trigger can never be what I"d call good.

For the cost of the trigger job you can buy a new RRA NM trigger, for another 35 or so bucks have that tuned and be WAY ahead of a bandaid treated factory trigger.

Mind you I've said those kinds are vastly superior to most factory triggers, but still in the realm of junk to me.

I've had a few bolt action rifles and a few AR's. I can't see much if any difference between my well tuned Jard's in the AR's and the bolt guns. The RRA Match tuned by WOA is a darn nice trigger too. I just can't see how any one would not be able to shoot one of my Jard's or the RRA/WOA as well as a similarly weighted trigger from a bolt gun. I know I can.

could be... can you shoot yours as well, sure. But that doesn't mean its a perfec trigger either... I"ve pulled MANY hunting gun triggers that are supposed to be just dandy... I have yet to pull one that makes me happy unless it happens to be one of mine... Generally because they are not set up correctly.

One wish I had is that I could test or more precisely try each of the other triggers folks think are so good, compared to what I think is good and then I'd know how big of an Azz I am or not.

BTW I don't consider the tuned RRA to be the best of triggers, but I do consider for the money, its gotta be about the best deal out there and closest to a clean crisp good break every time without creep.

So what kind of trigger and pull weight are you trying to duplicate here? Many say a new X-mark pro and ruger trigger are great, that definition means creep is fine for those who think these triggers are good. My point is, you may think what Rost says is garbage is adequate for you, only you and your finger know the answer.


And I suspect rost is aiming much higher than MOST people actually want, but you are the only one that knows what your "great" is, as all factory triggers are garbage to Rost ( and I agree with him). I have 3 Jewells in remingtons, had a shilen and it was good for a hunting weight, and my AR has a 2# Jard and I like it, but it has some creep similar to many off the shelf hunting factory triggers..... and it is in your price range and adjustable, ie needs to be adjusted to function well.

I am not a trigger junky, and don't know what to suggest and see others freely offer their opinion while I say you need to try one before selecting yours, but I will stress triggers are one thing that YOU need to decide on, of course with knowledgable help to guide you. It isn't like "what scope mount will work best with a scope".


Good luck

Allen

I just received Glen Zediker's latest book on the AR-15; The Competitive AR15 Builders Guide. It has a nice section on the basic trigger, the Jewel trigger and the one he considers the best of the triggers: the Geissele. Lots of pictures, lots of detail.

Jewel.... wonder if they have finally figured out how to retain the exact same pull weight from one pull to the next yet...

Glen... how do you manage to read his version of "english" writing style.

He has a lot of knowledge though.

Allen... nice post, and I usually try to make it known I"m anal on triggers, and that anything might suffice for some...but don't compare your trigger with a bit of creep to mine with none.

Jeff

Glen's writing style is fine once you get used to it. He does have a lot of knowledge and (brace yourself) opinions.

I realise that last one was a shock to you, but what can I say, it is what it is.

Denys

I'm not a trigger nut, as long as it's reliable and consistant, I can get by. In fact I have a factory Rem trigger in a bolt gun adjusted to 3 pounds, I shoot S&W M&P and Glock triggers then jump over to a few RR NM 2 stage triggers and even run 2 factory AR triggers set at 7-8 pounds. Triggers are the least of my problems.

I have wanted to try a Geisselle 2 stage but word is he has a few prototype single stages out there. Only time will tell but like has been pointed out, until you try one for yourself, you just don't know.

Now if someone could make a trigger break like an old S&W revolver...

You can get a tuned RRA 2 stage trigger from WOA for $120.

They also have the Geisselle for a lot more.

how many books will Ihave to read of his before I don't about puke with his irritating(to me) writing.... of course thats my opinion.. haha.
Jeff

I have four of his books. I also read his column in a gun rag.

Since I read A LOT of stuff, I am used to seeing many writing styles and I don't get bothered no more, no how. (So to speak.)

Denys

I assume you mean the AR Jewell has varying pull weights, as my remington jewells break the same using a digital oz scale, and feel that way also. The Xmark from the factory seems to like to fool you......

I agree, my single stage with some perceptable creep isn't your cup of tea, and I have a Beeman with a great 2 stage that is fine for an airgun with my finger. If I shoot my AR enough I may dislike the creep and go for a 2 stage, but as I stated in another thread, my creep equals your first stage, and when on a target I have learned to hold steady long enough to get great groups with it, so I am satisfied ,....until I shoot a better trigger and can afford the switch.


It's all good, and my final statement stands at every individual needs to try one before it passes their "I'll buy it" test. As a former competetive shooter I am sure you agree with this, and have formed your opinion based on your experiences. Thanks again for sharing them, we all learn this way.

Allen

Thats a pretty good reply... grins... I'm an [bleep] of sorts, I figure I"ve figured out about everything I need to in service rifle so I don't read anymore. I know what holds me back and what works...

But I'm afraid I may have to read/ask a bunch more about F class once I get rolling some.... There I'm not an [bleep], just a dumbass with a scoped gun with HUA syndrome more than likely.

Allen
Yes the jewel ARs only... other jewels are fine. Funny the first prototypes we were given to shoot for 6 months were super triggers, but the production stuff that came out after about the first batch... really good triggers, but NOT like the old ones at all. I had a good one, sold it, and bought 2 more and about puked and sold them quick... I couldn't believe that they'd just had a really good trigger and then screwed it up. Went back to our Milazzo right quick.

Wow, too bad.

Any direct feedback to them for an answer of how to get the first prototypes made or modify their existing version?

It seems like you are pretty particular on your triggers (LOL).

Thanks again for the good information

Allen

We made mention, they claim they didn't change a thing, yet I think they changed a tolerance somewhere that they think doesn't matter or had to change to be useable in all recievers.. USUALLY IF you can keep the trigger and hammer pin from rotating the trigger is good, but that means swage the holes or get custom pins or knurl the pins. Not really a good day to day thing all around IMHO... though I do swage my worn recievers now and then. Usually takes about 6 plus barrels before I feel the need to swage the pin holes snug again.

I just bought a Wilson Lightweight Tactical hunter in 6.8mm that has the Wilson Combat single stage TTU and it has a very crisp and clean trigger pull. It is set at 4 lbs and has absolutely no creep or overtravel. I think it retails for around $270 by itself.