I really don`t like a 2 Stage trigger on anything.Will be used for Prairie Rats & punchin paper.I was looking at The Jard adjustable 1 1/2 lb trigger.Anyone have experience with one or any other single stage triggers????Thanks ahead Huntz

I can't comment on the JARD but I can state categorically that if you want the absolute BEST AR trigger ever designed, get the AR Gold. Nothing else is in the same league. It has about an eigth to three-sixteens of take-up then it breaks like a buffed 700 Rem trigger.

sometimes the short take up will catch you, for an unexpected second shot, .. notice you qualified your best statement with best designed, why is it the best designed?

If the trigger jumps off the sear, as can happen with any semi-, there is a "backup" sear that catches. You merely have a slightly increased trigger pull to contend with, under stress, you probably won't even notice it.

The friend that turned me on to these works at a place that has a bunch of Brit ammo that is overpressure and REALLY prone to blow primers. My friend literally shoots out barrels where he works, in addition to going to 3-gun matches. He has stripped his lower apart and dumped out a half dozen primers. Any body who's shot an AR a while knows that nothing will hang up a GI trigger, much less a box-type trigger, like a loose primer.

Let me know of another "700-like" trigger that'll do that when you find it.

I have a 1 1/2lb jard in one of my ar's. It is a very nice trigger except for it's very slow lock time. You will probably need to tap your pistol grip threads all the way through in order to utilize the trigger. I haven't measured mine, but it feels less than 1 1/2lbs. Make sure you clean all the oil off your screws and threads before you locktite the trigger or it will come loose on you.

1 1/2lb single stage triggers in ARs are not safe.

Plus, the spring in the designs that I'm aware of has to be so light that not only is locktime slow, the hammer strike is light. They are marginal triggers, just a breath away from an AD or a misfire.

That take up either makes it a 2 stage trigger OR its called creep. In a single stage creep sucks. IN a 2 stage you take up most weight on first and least on second... easy to get used to.

The AR Gold is a 2 stage trigger. Either that, or their website is incorrect.

http://www.americantrigger.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=15&Itemid=60

Well, it has 0.009 more travel than a 1911, so I guess a 1911 is a two-stage also.

I have couple of Timney and a couple of McCormick , take your pick they are both great trigges

Huntz,

I am a fan of light pull, single stage triggers myself. Unfortuanetly, there are not many available for an AR platform. The geiselle triggers are truly the top of the line triggers for the AR. They have the slowest lock time of any triggers available for AR platforms and they offer a variety of trigger types. They do not offer a true single stage trigger, to my dismay, but the SD-e is a superb drop in two stage. They also offer excellent adjustable triggers and the 3 gun triggers are a hybrid 2 stage and single stage trigger.

As I stated earlier I have the same JARD you are thinking about buying. It has about a 1000 rounds through it and it functions great. The major downside to it is that it has one of the slowest lock times of any of the triggers available, so unless you are extreamly diciplined, it may cause some accuracy errors.

Let me disagree violently with you on that statement; the Geissele has the fastest lock time in AR trigegrs, that is their claim to fame.

Your needle is stuck in a groove, methinks.

Feels like a 2 stage to me too. 1911 alwyas has felt just like a 2 stage.

Methinks it was a typo... Geiselle is fast.

A good friend has a JARD and says its a major improvement over the factory. That doesn't tell me all I need to know though...

Heck of a typo, how do you see "fast" in "slowest"?

typo in his head, he thought fastest and typed slowest.... I've been known to be wrong though... I just figured no one was dumb enough to proclaim Bills triggers to be slow or the slowest, especially if they knew how many years of tinkering he worked into that product! He was full into prototype thinking in 2002/2003... when did they come out?

Oh, you mean "brain fart." He also probably meant "two stage" when he said "single stage", and "upside" when he said "downside." Talk about reading between the lines.


I got mine in 2006. It has a 3 digit S/N.

Sorry, I meant the geisselle has the fastest lock time, but typed slowest. The jard triggers have one of the slowest, if not the slowest lock time. A brain fart for sure. Sorry for any confusion.

I'd bet... that if the Jard Hammer was looked at and then lightened, and went back to a standard spring on the hammer, or even standard plus a bend... it would speed up considerably, but then the pull might suck too possibly...

I bought a Jard 1 1/2 lb trigger a few years ago. It was the worst AR trigger I've ever owned. The disconnect needed some major filing before it would even function. It never broke at the advertised pull weight and felt as gritty as a bad factory trigger. I threw mine away!

I have no idea who makes the best single stage, I haven't tried them all. I went from the Jard to a Timney which I like a lot. It's consistent and seems to be holding up well. If I ever have any trouble with it I know Timney will be there to take care of me. It's not the lightest pull but to me it has a great feel and I can shoot well with it.

Your choices are limited if you're stuck on having a single stage.

Years ago when I shot in CMP I had a single stage NM trigger that broke at 4 1/2 lbs.on my AR Service Rifle.It was so crisp with no over travel.Regretfully the gentleman that made them has passed on.At the last Varmint Hunters Jamboree I attended a fella had a single Stage trigger he had made himself that broke at 1 Lb.It was fantastic.I miss placed his card.
I have heard you can adjust a Jewell 2 stage to almost no first stage and down to a pound second stage.Any body try a Jewell trigger on their AR????

Yes, I've had Jewells. The first prototype before they were out to the public.. very nice. First production ones. Nice.

Then I suggested them to another and a buddy said, they are not worth a flip, teh pull weight changes from shot to shot.... I says no....

And then I buy a new one... and yep.. shot to shot the weight changed.


Never seen or pulled a 1 pound crisp perfect bolt gun type trigger in an AR with a single stage trigger. Had a lot of folks proud of theirs though and when I felt them, they were far from good but miles ahead of factory....

I have a couple of Timneys. Very good single stage. Haven't had a problem one. They are both in the 3lb range which is fine with me.

Thanks,I have decided to go with one as I have read so many good write ups on them.

I've shot several of Bill Springfield's triggers and have been impressed with all of them. I can't vouch for lock time or poundage but I'm sure that its the least creep you can get for the money.
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Let us know how you like it!