I suppose most of you saw the link posted in the camp-fire forum. I checked out some more on You-tube.
I make NO pretense to understanding all that is going on in the Ukraine, I am trying to read more and truly understand it but I am still wondering what the full truth is. I suspect that the folks fighting for reform in the city streets of Kiev are in fact good folks wanting a better life and some semblance of justice.
I bring it up in the forum because I am wondering if y'all had the same reaction I did. Besides a sense of sorrow for those poor folks getting shot down one after another...
My reaction was to go out and buy ALL the 308 I can afford or get my hands on. When society melts down and it is a real slug fest with serious mean savages I think I want to penetrate trees, logs and walls.
Just a thought, for entertainment purposes only...
They are protesting the wrong way. Hope it never gets that bad here. The gov't would really be in a tight spot.
Be sure to get a decent NV scope as well.
My reaction was something I read in The Art of War, by Sun Tzu.
Never pit your weakness against your enemy's strength.
When facing a superior force,
- when your enemy attack, retreat.
- When your enemy rests, attack.
- Learn your enemies weakness. Apply your strengths to your enemy's weakness.
Going up against snipers, while armed with tin shields and bright colored plastic hardhats, is a bad idea.
I bought a used paperback edition of Clauswhitz (or however you spell it) last year and waded through most of it. That got me interested so I bought that series of lectures on strategery by the Learning Company done by that professor at the Naval War College. That was fascinating. And that guy mentioned Thucydides so I bought those lectures and read up on that.... Just fascinating stuff.
But on another note...
I am wondering what the full conclusion was after the Fallujah fist fight; as concerns small arms and tactics. Do you have any links or books you have come across?
A fellow at work, (old marine) loaned me a book on the Chechyn (sp?) tactics and strategies first and second fist fight and the changes for the Russian tactics on the 2nd go round. Pretty interesting stuff.
Every combatant that is against you in a scenario, will have gun/ammo.....
But spending your money on all ammo and not on food, seed, water sources, generators, solar panels and the like.... not smart at all.
Diversity, just like in investments.
And survival favors avoiding any type of decisive engagement against a superior force.
I don't have any references for Fallujah lessons learned.
anyone know why the Russian's were shooting these people?
It's not even agreed if they were Russians.
The Russian's claim that it was Ukrainian police snipers, and the Ukranians say it was Russian spec ops trying to terrorize everyone.
The dead were a mix of protestors who hated the now deposed Russian backed president of Ukraine, Ukrainian police (who were holding off the protestors), and random people walking around; a combination that doesn't make much sense.
Reaction/opinion?
We need to mind our own business. We have no shortage of very serious problems here in the United States. Not one of those people over there is worth one single young service man's life and I do not want to see us dragged into another war.
I have no problem fighting for my country, but fighting for un-appreciative foreigners gets old.
If you want to stock up on ammo, go for it. That being said, I agree with Rost.
Having the ability to filter water, feed my family for months with what I have in the home, and have medical supplies on hand are a bigger priority to me over having 20k rounds of .308.
This reminds me that we are due to stock back up in our pantry. Kind of fell behind. This morning though I am loading 145 grain wadcutters for my .38s. They make a great small game round and the easy recoil makes practicing with a J Frame snubbed much more tolerable.
What Mackay said.
We need to consolidate our forces and recover from the last few years. Europe wants to present an invasion of the Ukraine, please do so.
This year's tax return is going to cover more basics:
Food, Water, Shelter.
I'm sure I have enough guns and ammo at this point.
Amen, water, food, shelter and friends. No man is an island where I live.
A long time ago I started gathering things, then I realized I needed a way to carry it all so I got a few packs. Then I started gearing up for extended camping trips. Then I started getting in better shape so now I run 5&10k's. I have plenty to last here at home for a spell but if I need to evacuate, I have the means to do so.
Gonna be tough for a lot of the fat guys I see stocking up on guns and ammo to carry all of it if need be. Just saying there's more to being self sufficient than buying an AR,a case of ammo and a survival knife.
A long time ago I started gathering things, then I realized I needed a way to carry it all so I got a few packs. Then I started gearing up for extended camping trips. Then I started getting in better shape so now I run 5&10k's. I have plenty to last here at home for a spell but if I need to evacuate, I have the means to do so.
Gonna be tough for a lot of the fat guys I see stocking up on guns and ammo to carry all of it if need be. Just saying there's more to being self sufficient than buying an AR,a case of ammo and a survival knife.
I have been doing almost the exact same thing, except I don't do the extended runs anymore. I lift as heavy of weights as I can for ten rep sets and then I wander up and down the mountain near here to get conditioned.
I went to the 1000 yard range about six months ago with all the gun loonies in my neighborhood to get some data book dope on some rifles and I was really frustrated and shocked at how long it took me to gather up all the optics, ammunition and rifles. I bought a cargo frame back pack from Cabela's and I am going to fabricate some holders for it to carry all the kit.
Call me a tinfoil hat nutcase but I feel some sort of compelling duty to be minute man ready for bad things. The sad fact of the matter is that the conservative folks who are doing practical things to defend hearth and home are fractured. The founders were a tight knit and drilled community of friends and family. Edwin Vieira talks a great deal about this in one of his latest books on the militia:
http://www.amazon.com/Constitutional-Homeland-Security-Nation-Arms/dp/0967175925
Americans are supposed to be ready....
" Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That each and every free able-bodied white male citizen of the respective States, resident therein, who is or shall be of age of eighteen years, and under the age of forty-five years (except as is herein after excepted) shall severally and respectively be enrolled in the militia, by the Captain or Commanding Officer of the company, within whose bounds such citizen shall reside, and that within twelve months after the passing of this Act."
Standing order #2
Have your musket clean as a whistle, hatchet scoured, sixty rounds powder and ball, and be ready to march at a minute's warning.
How do you tell the good guys from the bad guys in a civil war?
Note to self forget the bicycle helmet and cookie sheet.
Stock up on toilet paper, When the going gets tough the tough start going.
When the opportunity arises, it's too late to prepare.
In the event of a disaster I want to hang out at my church friends about a half mile from my house.
Whatever I have is their's and whatever they have is mine. No man is an island unless your going to go to go all Jeremiah Johnson and "bug out" to the mountains with your unfired black rifle, and cooler full of steaks and beer. Bugging out anymore is just getting into a long line of cars and sitting for hours if not days.
Sadly I think demographically the majority of people in this country regard themselves as non religious. Interesting that our culture has shifted in this direction and that it mirrors the way people treat each other these days. Religiousness has strong elements of the 10 commandments integrated into its structure which if I am not mistaken are the foundation of civilized society. If all civil laws are out the window one might find some respite and companionship in a place where the law originated.
do ya really gotta bring the bible thumping down here now?
In the event of a disaster I want to hang out at my church friends about a half mile from my house.
Whatever I have is their's and whatever they have is mine. No man is an island unless your going to go to go all Jeremiah Johnson and "bug out" to the mountains with your unfired black rifle, and cooler full of steaks and beer. Bugging out anymore is just getting into a long line of cars and sitting for hours if not days.
Sadly I think demographically the majority of people in this country regard themselves as non religious. Interesting that our culture has shifted in this direction and that it mirrors the way people treat each other these days. Religiousness has strong elements of the 10 commandments integrated into its structure which if I am not mistaken are the foundation of civilized society. If all civil laws are out the window one might find some respite and companionship in a place where the law originated.
I agree with this post.
In the event of a disaster I want to hang out at my church friends about a half mile from my house.
Whatever I have is their's and whatever they have is mine. No man is an island unless your going to go to go all Jeremiah Johnson and "bug out" to the mountains with your unfired black rifle, and cooler full of steaks and beer. Bugging out anymore is just getting into a long line of cars and sitting for hours if not days.
Sadly I think demographically the majority of people in this country regard themselves as non religious. Interesting that our culture has shifted in this direction and that it mirrors the way people treat each other these days. Religiousness has strong elements of the 10 commandments integrated into its structure which if I am not mistaken are the foundation of civilized society. If all civil laws are out the window one might find some respite and companionship in a place where the law originated.
I agree with this post.
The wife and I are planning to move for these very reasons. When society implodes I want to be surrounded by neighbors who have common values. I am looking at Tenn, northern Alabama, maybe south west VA near Tenn. I would love to move to Texas or OK but we have kin folk in VA. Our little hillbilly church discusses these issues right now. We try to look out for each other already. As I understand it, the local militia at Concord and Lexington was primarily organized around the local church as was almost all of local societal interaction of that day up north.
do ya really gotta bring the bible thumping down here now?
I'm glad he did.
While not as glamorous as shooting zombies, helping your neighbor and community is the only chance we have as a society. Living like there is no God is what got us where we are today.
do ya really gotta bring the bible thumping down here now?
I don't consider that thumping, and many of us on here will agree with whats said.
If ya don't, you can do like I do on other posts... just skip reaidng it.
do ya really gotta bring the bible thumping down here now?
Yes. GFY.
do ya really gotta bring the bible thumping down here now?
Yes. GFY.
KMA. it doesn't take long here on the Campfire to see religion and morality do NOT necessarily go hand-in-hand.
do ya really gotta bring the bible thumping down here now?
Yes. GFY.
KMA. it doesn't take long here on the Campfire to see religion and morality do NOT necessarily go hand-in-hand.
Says who? YOU? You opine about "Bible thumpers" but make an appeal to "morality" when someone tells you to go ffffuucckkk yourself? WHO's morality, based upon what, praytell?
thanks for making my point. laffin' here. but the morality statement was not an appeal nor directed at you or anybody in this discussion. it is an observation.
but feel free to be offended if the shoe fits..
do ya really gotta bring the bible thumping down here now?
I'm glad he did.
While not as glamorous as shooting zombies, helping your neighbor and community is the only chance we have as a society.
Living like there is no God is what got us where we are today.
The French Revolution was awful bloody as everyone knows; they hated everything that had to do with Christianity and tried to stamp out all public display of the Christian faith. It seems like the liberal left in America is the exact same species of folks. It won't be good when things go bad if a person is living among high concentrations of liberals.