Anyone ever get a Geissele with too heavy of a pull? Got a weird SSA-E breaking at 5lbs. Basically the same as the RRA 2-stage I removed from the lower. It should be more like 3.5lbs. Waiting to hear back from support.

Are you sure its installed correctly? I've had about 5 Geissele's, never a problem with them. I guess it always possible for a lemon to slip out the door though. Luckily you went with Geissele, they will make it right whatever the problem is.

As far as I can tell. Everything moves freely and lines up nice. The actual trigger other than the pull weight works great. The 1st stage weight seems dead on. I think it just came with either the wrong disconnect spring or one out of spec.

I did end up trimming that spring and the weight came down. Now though there isn't a "flat" on the spring at the top to ride on. Probably just see if I can get another spring sent to me or I'll happily buy one at this point.

I've had 5 G2S's and they all hit 5 lbs. I change the trigger spring and lose a pound and a half. I kind of thought my cheap gauge was off but I do like the triggers after I get them around 3.5 lbs.

So I ended up putting the RRA trigger spring in along with the trimmed disconnect spring. Breaks pretty good at about 3.25lbs or so. I am happy with that for now. I'll probably order a spring kit from Geissele just to see if I really did get an out of spec stock one.

I am interested in what brand lower that you have? I have thought now for a while that the dimensional tolerances of the various lowers are great enough to allow some differences in trigger performance, ie if the holes are a few thou farther apart does the trigger release easier as there is less engagement and if they are a few thou closer together if it is a harder trigger pull etc. etc.

I have a Colt, Charles Daly and 2 Noveske's with G2S's in them and they've all hit 5 lbs.

I thought they were adjustable.

In the end if Bills group doesn't answer the questions or make this right, I"d sure like to know. PM me if you would and I"ll get on the phone and find Bill.....

Not all of them.

If OP would give Geissele a chance, they will take care of him.

It is a Del-Ton. Seems flawless but I am not that knowledgeable in the matter. All my uppers fit it great.

They are shipping me a spring kit. I'll test it out with the replacement springs when I get them and post the results. The disconnect spring is really the only one in question in my eyes.

Either way I am totally happy with the trigger as is with the trimmed disconnect spring. I banged it, dropped it, slammed it all around last night trying to cause it to fire but I couldn't so I don't think I created any kind of safety issue modifying the spring.

I would be ticked. I like wareagle700 have 6 of the SSA-E & never a major problem, great triggers. I'd like to comment on jimmyp's thoughts. Most of my 2nd stage breaks are right at 1.2# but I put one in an Armalite receiver that the 2nd stage upped to 1.6#. That same trigger in my Rock River varmint breaks 2nd stage at 1.1#. I think that jimmyp has the correct thoughts about different receivers. I'd like to hear your thoughts.


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That's what I'm wondering. Can you post a pic of the springs when you get them all installed?

So after a couple hundred dry firings, cleaning and re-lubing, the weight looks to be about 4.5lbs with a fresh spring kit. More than it is supposed to be (3.5lbs) but not bad.

It later dawned on me that I had built two lowers. Kept one for myself and gave the other to Dad. It has been a couple years but we talked about the trigger being slightly better on his. Both Del-Ton lowers bought at the same time and both with RRA 2-stage. It is all starting to make sense. So to prove the theory I put the said trigger in my RRA LAR-8 and it instantly dropped to 4lbs. Basically about a half pound change by just putting it in a different lower. Still a little heavy but within the allowable range.

So there you have it, just an unfavorable stacking of tolerances. I installed a full replacement trigger and now it breaks nicely at about 3.8lbs. Geissele customer service is second to none! I would be pretty hard pressed to ever buy another brand for an investment build. I will be going with the Hi Speed National Match next time though.

I have noticed the same problem, I can buy 2 new lowers and install the same LPKs and Triggers and have two totally different filling Triggers....I started using drop in triggers in my rifles and problem solved.

The drop in triggers have the hammer and sear hole spacing fixed in them, right?

Yes.

So, how do they fit in the various lowers? If hole spacing in the lowers isn't consistent. Or is it?

Trying to wrap my brain around this and figure out what causes the pulls to be different.

on sloppy pin holes with a Jewel and a Milazzo, the trigger pull would vary shot to shot. Simply due to all the slop and not true pins/pin holes etc...

For a drop in, everything is fixed in place, RE the sear etc... but enough slop to allow the fixed unit to be pinned in.... at least thats my guess.

You Guess is right on the money...

I think the hammer and pin hole spacing varies a few thousands from brand to brand, or the tolerances could be "looser" on one brand than another and you get one to the edges from time to time. I could be wrong but pretty sure I have felt differences in pull with the same SSA-E trigger in different lowers.

No doubt you will unless its a unitized unit

I still want to know the best unitized single stage one... I keep reading about super single stage AR and then when you dig no one is talking glass rod 1 pound triggers like they allude to in the first place.

Has anyone seen evidence with a scale or are we guessing?

I know there was an issue with their supplied pins once that were too large and he started making them a tad smaller to cure that problem but that had to do with the safety going on when the bolt was locked back or something.

I need to try another box trigger, the last one I tried sucked but I keep hearing they have improved.

Some guy at the Gun show Sunday!! Asked if I wanted to buy a AR drop in trigger for 70 bucks... It was a new in the box CMC 3.5 LB match ...I ripped it out of his hand so fast I about took his fingers Off...Score!!!

So did you ever put a scale on those triggers that were different and then swap em around to see exactly where the problem was?

I used a clothes hanger and digital fishing scale as I don't have an actual trigger scale. Being digital it was a little difficult to get an accurate, consistent reading but it was pretty close. I am no gunsmith or AR expert but I was able to measure about a .5lb difference between lowers with the same trigger. But what doesn't make sense is the sear engagement seems fine on both. No creep or anything.

The beauty of these Geissele triggers is how easy it is to adjust the weight with a little spring manipulation. Of course I learned all this after my first post duh. My SSA-E easily breaks at 2.2lbs now and still seams solid as a rock.

While the RRA 2-stage feels almost as good the way they built it you can't change the 2nd stage weight without a major overhaul. I hunt with my AR so I like a fairly low trigger pull like the rest of my rifles.

BarryC, if you're talking about 1 piece single stage triggers, I might be able to answer you. I bought a Black Rain true 1 piece drop-in 3.5# trigger. It went in perfect in a BRO lower & the KNS pins fit perfect over the trigger pins sticking out. I did some swapping & put a Geiselle in the BRO lower & moved the BRO 1 piece trigger to an armalite lower. Had to beat in the pins in the Armalite & the KNS pin covers didn't want to fit well. The Armalite holes were closer only by thousandths, but it made the KNS pin covers want to bow up.

roust495, I don't think your ever going to find a 1# single stage because of the lawyers. In their mind the combined pull of a 2 stage is the pull weight even if 2nd stage is on 8 oz.. I haven't bought one yet but my buddy is in love with the CMC trigger. Amazon had them last week for 155.00. I hope in my rambling this helps someone.

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This has been a weird thread.

I don't think a clothes hanger and fishing scale are really reliable enough to see a 1/2 pound difference. I'd guess there's more variation in that setup than the lowers.

Stop bending and tweaking and trimming springs. All good Americans and most Russians love Geissele triggers. Make sure it's installed correctly, then shoot it. If it's too heavy get a different one. But don't start jankifying a good thing.

What he said! ^^^

BEWARE - I tried a JP low power trigger spring on my G2S trigger and it would not pass a function test.

Beware #2:

Check your pin size if you're planning to install a G2S in your Colt. The G2S will not work if you have large pins. You'll have to go to large pin triggers, a much more expensive venue.

SSA - $260
SSA-E - $280
S3G - $290
Hi-Speed - $330

I will be sending the 2 G2S's I bought on sale for $115/per back or will sell to someone here on the board for what I have in them.

I'm disappointed the G2S's won't work in my guns, but will listen to advice on something else similarly suitable.

sorry I missed what problem you had with the G2S? I bought the same trigger on sale, but swapped out the supplied black trigger spring with a standard trigger spring, TWR does the same thing IIRC, I did not like the flimsy supplied black trigger spring. It is not as light a pull as an SSA-E or RRA varmint but actually not horrible. It was a cheap build with an Anderson lower, the pins fit fine.

Who ever is beating pins into lower receivers, somethin aint right.

I think that was with a cartridge trigger when the pin holes were off a little.

jimmyp, long story short, the G2S won't work with my Colts (circa 2004-2005) with large pins.

Military MK 12 went to SSA-E triggers........after a AD in a veh. with the Knight 2 stage trigger.