What powder are you using for 75 bthp in ARs?

So far I have tried Tac (not impressed), 2520 (promising) and RL 15 (best groups so far).

What powder gives you your best accuracy with the Hornady 75 bthp? Thinking I need to try 8208 and Leverevolution...

Personally, I'd start with BL-C2.

I've had nothing but great groups out of it behind any HP bullets I've used in the 5.56.
My goto stick powder for heavies is IMR-4895. It hasn't failed me yet in this regard.

AR comp and CFE223 look promising.

If I wanted temp stability, I'd drop down to H322. It's a fine grain powder, meters nice, and is part of the Hodgdon's extreme line, and has won more than it's fair share of benchrest matches.

Imr-8208's another consistant performer for me.

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Cartridge          : 5.56 mm NATO - 5.56 x 45 mm
Bullet             : .224, 75, Hornady BTHP M 2279
Useable Case Capaci: 24.079 grain H2O = 1.563 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.260 inch = 57.40 mm
Barrel Length      : 18.0 inch = 457.2 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 61500 psi, or 424 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 108 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

70 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 75%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
Winchester 748                     100.8     24.1     1.56    2801    98.6    61500    9881   0.889  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon BL-C2                      103.3     25.0     1.62    2793    97.7    61500   10081   0.896  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2495                      106.2     23.1     1.49    2790   100.0    61500    9436   0.922  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4895                           108.0     24.0     1.55    2789    96.5    60702   10199   0.901  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant AR-Comp *C *T              104.7     22.5     1.46    2788   100.0    61500    8810   0.890  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP11 TZ *CT approximation   104.1     22.5     1.46    2788   100.0    61500    8810   0.890  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon CFE223 *C                  108.0     26.1     1.69    2787    94.5    60649   10293   0.891  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2520                      103.8     24.3     1.57    2781    99.1    61500    9676   0.904  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.6                       106.2     24.3     1.57    2781    99.1    61500    9676   0.904  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Big Game                   108.0     25.5     1.65    2779    95.8    60304   10080   0.894  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4895                      105.2     23.3     1.51    2776    97.1    61500    9917   0.899  ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 52                  108.0     24.8     1.60    2771    97.6    57362   10146   0.913  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 3031                           108.0     22.4     1.45    2771    99.9    57848    9510   0.913  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Wild Boar                  103.2     24.5     1.59    2768    96.4    61500    9869   0.895  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2206H                       105.4     23.4     1.52    2768    96.5    61500    9879   0.900  ! Near Maximum !
Nitrochemie A/S 0300                92.9     21.1     1.37    2767   100.0    61500    8904   0.898  ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 507 *C             102.3     23.7     1.53    2762    97.8    61500    9670   0.897  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H335                        95.7     23.2     1.50    2761    99.5    61500    9421   0.897  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2219                         95.4     21.9     1.42    2761    99.9    61500    9193   0.893  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H322                       101.5     21.9     1.42    2761    99.9    61500    9193   0.893  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 202 *C                       106.2     23.2     1.50    2760    99.5    61500    9420   0.901  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S321                       100.3     24.0     1.55    2759    98.0    61500    9702   0.902  ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 10                   95.4     22.6     1.47    2759    99.4    61500    9396   0.900  ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 9                   105.9     24.3     1.57    2758    96.4    61500    9763   0.896  ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 508 *C (PCL223)     95.3     22.6     1.47    2757    99.4    61500    9383   0.900  ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA11                       108.0     24.0     1.55    2754    95.4    59338    9990   0.912  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-15 *C              108.0     24.0     1.55    2754    95.4    59338    9990   0.912  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP11 ~approximation         108.0     24.0     1.55    2754    95.4    59338    9990   0.912  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N530 *C                 101.2     22.6     1.46    2753    97.9    61500    9548   0.897  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N540 *C                 108.0     24.2     1.57    2747    99.3    60727    9490   0.904  ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 516                105.8     25.0     1.62    2746    94.0    61500    9776   0.896  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 8208 XBR                       103.4     23.0     1.49    2743    97.8    61500    9443   0.898  ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 40                   99.1     22.4     1.45    2743    98.9    61500    9323   0.899  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 201 *C                       106.6     23.1     1.50    2742    97.8    61500    9540   0.911  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S341                       104.0     24.8     1.61    2742    96.2    61500    9499   0.896  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203B *C                      108.0     24.0     1.55    2741    95.9    58169    9948   0.919  ! Near Maximum !
SF033 fl, russ. 5,45x39             96.0     21.8     1.41    2739   100.0    61500    8451   0.912  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.5                        99.1     23.6     1.53    2737    98.5    61500    9340   0.914  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2460                       98.8     23.6     1.53    2737    98.5    61500    9340   0.914  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R901                      104.6     22.1     1.43    2736    99.4    61500    9273   0.920  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-10x *C              99.0     20.7     1.34    2730   100.0    61500    8643   0.909  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-12                 101.0     22.9     1.48    2726    99.8    61500    8920   0.899  ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 7                   103.6     24.7     1.60    2726    93.9    61500    9556   0.906  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.4                        97.3     23.1     1.50    2725    98.5    61500    9174   0.911  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2230                       98.1     23.6     1.53    2720    97.2    61500    9243   0.908  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R902                      108.0     23.1     1.50    2719    97.6    60436    9381   0.919  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot TAC *C                     102.3     24.5     1.59    2719    93.2    61500    9559   0.902  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2015                      101.8     21.6     1.40    2716   100.0    61500    8568   0.914  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot X-Terminator *C             99.9     23.7     1.53    2715    96.3    61500    9328   0.904  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2210                         95.9     22.0     1.42    2713    98.5    61500    9077   0.902  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 200 *C                        95.0     20.6     1.34    2711   100.0    61500    8432   0.922  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP2 NT *C ~approximation    104.2     23.0     1.49    2708    96.9    61500    9139   0.899  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2200                       93.2     21.0     1.36    2706    99.1    61500    8864   0.900  ! Near Maximum !
ADI BM2                             93.8     22.2     1.44    2704    98.4    61500    8993   0.903  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Benchmark                  102.0     22.3     1.44    2703    98.3    61500    8999   0.903  ! Near Maximum !
Elcho TR140 - preliminary data     108.0     24.8     1.60    2702    93.6    58650    9557   0.918  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S062                         108.0     23.3     1.51    2699    97.2    57422    9464   0.934  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380                       108.0     24.5     1.59    2698    93.1    57256    9744   0.930  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S060                         104.7     22.6     1.47    2695    96.5    61500    9055   0.902  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S335                       105.6     22.9     1.49    2694    99.8    61500    8678   0.913  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4320                           108.0     23.6     1.53    2691    95.1    56612    9471   0.919  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4198                            98.1     19.5     1.27    2691   100.0    61500    8014   0.894  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N133 *C                 107.7     21.9     1.42    2688   100.0    61500    8261   0.902  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP3                         108.0     24.2     1.57    2687    96.1    54069    9796   0.955  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old                      108.0     24.2     1.57    2687    96.1    54069    9796   0.955  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2206                        103.9     22.8     1.48    2686    97.0    61500    8945   0.902  ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 11                  108.0     24.8     1.60    2686    94.4    53642    9873   0.942  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 1680                       85.5     19.8     1.28    2685   100.0    61500    8356   0.901  ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 50                  108.0     24.9     1.62    2685    91.2    58998    9470   0.919  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2207                         93.4     19.4     1.26    2682   100.0    61500    7936   0.910  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP1 NT *C ~approximation     93.9     20.2     1.31    2680    99.6    61500    8418   0.896  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4064                      108.0     23.5     1.52    2677    98.9    53057    9581   0.982  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N130 *C                 101.5     21.1     1.37    2677   100.0    61500    8136   0.909  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-7                   92.7     19.9     1.29    2677   100.0    61500    8083   0.912  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D060                          83.8     17.4     1.13    2676   100.0    61500    8115   0.896  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 5744                       81.9     17.4     1.13    2676   100.0    61500    8115   0.896  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4198                       94.5     19.7     1.28    2671    99.8    61500    8267   0.898  ! Near Maximum !
Kazan Sunar 308W                    96.7     21.0     1.36    2669   100.0    61500    8108   0.910  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2208                        108.0     23.3     1.51    2667    94.5    56618    9343   0.927  ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 36                   88.2     19.0     1.23    2660   100.0    61500    7763   0.906  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon VARGET *T                  108.0     23.2     1.50    2658    94.3    55986    9311   0.932  ! Near Maximum !
Elcho 17                           108.0     25.1     1.63    2650    93.2    49491   10274   0.970
Alliant Reloder-17 *T              108.0     25.1     1.63    2650    93.2    49491   10274   0.970
Lovex D063                          78.6     18.2     1.18    2648   100.0    61500    7720   0.897  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4227                       88.9     18.1     1.17    2637   100.0    61500    7472   0.903  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP7 NT *C ~approximation    108.0     24.2     1.57    2636    89.5    56715    9146   0.923  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N120 *C                  96.0     19.4     1.26    2636   100.0    61500    7399   0.913  ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 60 *T               108.0     25.1     1.63    2633    93.6    48349   10408   0.979
Vihtavuori N125 *C                  90.7     18.7     1.21    2632   100.0    61500    7403   0.914  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4064                           108.0     22.6     1.47    2631    94.3    54378    9138   0.948  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4227                            88.3     17.9     1.16    2628   100.0    61500    7432   0.901  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414                       108.0     25.4     1.64    2626    87.3    51076    9764   0.964
Winchester 760                     108.0     25.4     1.64    2626    87.3    51076    9764   0.964
Nitrochemie A/S 0200                80.6     17.9     1.16    2625   100.0    61500    7393   0.914  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S355                       108.0     23.5     1.52    2619    94.8    51149    9437   0.979
IMR 4007 SSC                       108.0     24.3     1.58    2617    88.3    55882    9170   0.946  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R903                      108.0     23.7     1.54    2612    94.7    49822    9478   0.991
ReloadSwiss RS 30                   88.7     17.3     1.12    2606   100.0    61500    7107   0.913  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S053                          89.7     17.9     1.16    2596   100.0    61500    7114   0.915  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N140 *C                 108.0     23.0     1.49    2594    96.5    52402    8826   0.965
IMR 4166 Enduron *C*T              108.0     23.0     1.49    2590    89.2    55349    8842   0.948  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2700                      108.0     25.0     1.62    2578    88.1    56900    8610   0.944  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4451 Enduron *C*T              108.0     23.7     1.53    2578    88.2    52949    8987   0.959
Bofors RP3 NT *C ~approximation    108.0     23.8     1.54    2572    90.0    52098    8891   0.961
Vihtavuori N550 *C                 108.0     24.5     1.59    2565    89.9    46105    9640   1.012
Vihtavuori N135 *C                 108.0     21.7     1.41    2564    99.4    47862    8613   1.006
PB Clermont PCL 511                108.0     25.5     1.65    2557    86.8    47253    9562   0.998
Somchem S265                        86.7     17.7     1.15    2552   100.0    61500    6800   0.926  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R910                       76.8     15.8     1.02    2531   100.0    61500    6482   0.925  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2205                         83.8     17.7     1.15    2531   100.0    61500    6683   0.914  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP7                         108.0     23.5     1.52    2524    86.3    49881    8819   0.996
Rottweil R907                      108.0     23.5     1.52    2524    86.3    49881    8819   0.996
Vihtavuori N110 *C                  84.4     15.9     1.03    2522   100.0    61500    6483   0.928  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S040                          77.0     15.2     0.99    2502   100.0    61500    6325   0.917  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S065                         108.0     23.5     1.52    2496    88.5    46763    8828   1.026
Alliant Reloder-16 *C *T           108.0     23.3     1.51    2488    87.7    42747    9335   1.040
ReloadSwiss RS 62                  108.0     25.1     1.63    2480    86.8    41421    9434   1.059
Norma URP *C                       108.0     23.7     1.54    2474    87.9    41802    9189   1.055
Bofors RP19 ~approximation         108.0     23.7     1.54    2473    87.9    41762    9182   1.056
Norma 204 *C                       108.0     24.8     1.60    2459    80.8    45159    8764   1.024
Vihtavuori N150 *C                 108.0     22.6     1.47    2459    94.1    43020    8569   1.052
Lovex S070                         108.0     23.7     1.54    2457    85.4    43987    8795   1.052
Accurate 4350                      108.0     24.0     1.55    2456    87.5    39802    9257   1.082
Ramshot Hunter                     108.0     24.8     1.60    2456    84.4    42157    9112   1.053
SNPE Vectan BA6½                    93.7     17.1     1.11    2450   100.0    61500    5951   0.935  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant BLUE DOT                    76.9     13.9     0.90    2447   100.0    61500    6033   0.927  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4350                           108.0     23.8     1.54    2438    83.7    44156    8498   1.037
PB Clermont PCL 518                108.0     24.8     1.60    2430    83.1    41115    8992   1.066
Bofors RP4 NT *C ~approximation    108.0     24.3     1.58    2426    83.2    42213    8667   1.057
Somchem S365                       108.0     23.8     1.54    2403    89.8    37035    9231   1.113
Hodgdon H4350 *T                   108.0     23.5     1.52    2386    82.2    41538    8272   1.067
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V                108.0     23.2     1.50    2381    88.8    38512    8541   1.096
ReloadSwiss RS 70 *C               108.0     25.5     1.65    2368    78.1    39874    8858   1.084
Raufoss RA4                        108.0     24.0     1.55    2364    78.4    40333    8337   1.079
Bofors RP4 ~approximation          108.0     24.0     1.55    2364    78.4    40333    8337   1.079
ADI AR 2209                        108.0     23.8     1.54    2329    76.6    38928    8222   1.096
Rottweil R904                      108.0     23.6     1.53    2328    77.0    39884    7951   1.089
Somchem S361                       108.0     25.5     1.65    2321    76.2    40855    7804   1.085
Alliant Reloder-19 *C              108.0     24.0     1.55    2315    76.8    37361    8272   1.119
IMR 4831                           108.0     23.0     1.49    2314    84.6    34673    8451   1.151
ADI AP 100                          80.6     12.3     0.80    2305   100.0    61500    5126   0.941  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester Supreme 780             108.0     25.3     1.64    2296    76.6    38893    7920   1.101
Bofors RP14 ~approximation         108.0     24.0     1.55    2290    76.2    36537    8107   1.130
Somchem S385                       108.0     24.2     1.57    2265    77.9    34488    8074   1.161
Norma MRP *C                       108.0     25.0     1.62    2246    73.7    33330    8478   1.173
Alliant Reloder-26 *C              108.0     25.8     1.67    2244    75.6    32744    8835   1.181
Hodgdon H4831 SC *T                108.0     24.2     1.57    2240    71.8    36537    7610   1.134
IMR 4955 Enduron *C*T              108.0     23.3     1.51    2238    74.1    36374    7499   1.139
ADI AP 90                           75.4     11.6     0.75    2236   100.0    61500    4793   0.959  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant HERCO                       79.2     11.0     0.71    2230   100.0    61500    4836   0.968  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 SSC                       108.0     24.6     1.60    2225    69.1    35287    7815   1.150
SNPE Vectan BA7½                    76.3     12.4     0.81    2223   100.0    61500    4689   0.965  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2213                        108.0     24.2     1.57    2212    69.2    34951    7670   1.155
Vihtavuori N560 *C                 108.0     24.5     1.59    2198    68.0    32601    7917   1.187
Bofors RP5/NP ~approximation       108.0     24.2     1.57    2194    71.5    31877    7956   1.197
Alliant Reloder-22 *C              108.0     24.2     1.57    2194    71.5    31877    7956   1.197
Raufoss RA15 *C                    108.0     24.2     1.57    2194    71.5    31877    7956   1.197
Rottweil J706                       80.6     10.7     0.69    2158   100.0    61500    4501   0.988  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S035                          77.5     10.7     0.69    2151   100.0    61500    4288   0.976  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate MAGPRO                    108.0     25.5     1.65    2141    64.3    31241    7592   1.212
SNPE Vectan A0                      76.6     10.9     0.71    2140   100.0    61500    4191   0.980  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R905                      108.0     23.8     1.54    2137    68.1    31051    7372   1.214
Vihtavuori N160 *C                 108.0     23.0     1.49    2135    71.7    32170    6977   1.197
Hodgdon H4831 *T                   108.0     23.3     1.51    2133    68.8    31991    7092   1.197
Alliant Reloder-23 *C *T           108.0     23.5     1.52    2131    77.5    28536    7867   1.243
Accurate 3100                      108.0     24.0     1.55    2122    75.7    28263    7588   1.259
Winchester WXR                     108.0     23.7     1.54    2121    69.1    29304    7553   1.242
Bofors RP15                        108.0     23.7     1.54    2121    69.1    29304    7553   1.242
NitroKemia REX 3/Green/36           87.5     10.7     0.69    2115   100.0    61500    4126   0.983  ! Near Maximum !
NitroKemia REX 2/Yellow/32          87.8     10.3     0.67    2112   100.0    61500    4116   0.980  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5 NT *C ~approximation    108.0     24.4     1.58    2110    64.5    31895    6914   1.209
NitroKemia REX 1/Red/28             88.9     10.5     0.68    2109   100.0    61500    4169   0.976  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate Nitro 100                  78.2      9.1     0.59    2108   100.0    61500    4277   0.989  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D013                          78.2      9.1     0.59    2108   100.0    61500    4277   0.989  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N165 *C                 108.0     23.7     1.54    2107    72.4    30280    7072   1.232
Ramshot Magnum                     108.0     26.1     1.69    2103    67.7    32004    7250   1.207
Accurate Solo 1250                  75.5     10.0     0.65    2098   100.0    61500    4079   0.982  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant GREEN DOT                   78.1      9.7     0.63    2093   100.0    61500    4166   0.994  ! Near Maximum !
Maxam CSB 1                         79.9     10.4     0.67    2093   100.0    61500    4024   0.984  ! Near Maximum !
Maxam CSB 3                         77.5      9.9     0.64    2087   100.0    61500    4071   0.983  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant RED DOT                     82.9      9.2     0.59    2078   100.0    61500    4122   0.986  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S015                          78.6      9.7     0.63    2077   100.0    61500    4071   0.995  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate Solo 1000                  78.6      9.7     0.63    2077   100.0    61500    4071   0.995  ! Near Maximum !
Maxam CSB 4                         76.9      9.6     0.63    2075   100.0    61500    4041   0.984  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828                           108.0     23.3     1.51    2073    64.2    29293    6975   1.246
ADI AS 30                           82.0      9.4     0.61    2052   100.0    61500    3970   0.995  ! Near Maximum !
Maxam CSB 5                         77.0      9.3     0.60    2040   100.0    61500    3895   0.991  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AP 2214                        108.0     24.9     1.61    2036    61.4    30277    6511   1.239
IMR 7977 Enduron *C*T              108.0     23.7     1.54    2034    60.7    31992    6051   1.220
Alliant Reloder-25 *C              108.0     23.8     1.54    2032    67.4    26828    7087   1.294
Norma R1                            86.3      9.7     0.63    2029   100.0    61500    3868   0.999  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil P805                       88.2      9.7     0.63    2029   100.0    61500    3864   0.999  ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 12                  108.0     25.6     1.66    2027    61.1    29309    6824   1.253
PB Clermont PCL 517                108.0     25.6     1.66    2021    60.7    29166    6782   1.256
Hodgdon Clays                       85.2      9.0     0.59    2018   100.0    61500    3818   0.992  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N565 *C                 108.0     24.6     1.60    1999    62.4    25498    7018   1.319
Lovex S071                         108.0     22.7     1.47    1970    71.0    23487    6845   1.362
Vihtavuori N32C Tin Star           102.0     11.3     0.73    1958   100.0    61500    3429   1.025  ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 76 *C               108.0     25.8     1.67    1944    55.9    26151    6388   1.317
Norma MRP 2 *C                     108.0     24.0     1.55    1915    58.6    23503    6454   1.367
Bofors RP30                        108.0     24.0     1.55    1915    58.6    23503    6454   1.367
Hodgdon H1000 *T                   108.0     23.7     1.54    1905    56.8    25514    5766   1.333
ADI AR 2217                        108.0     23.7     1.54    1905    56.8    25514    5766   1.333
Vihtavuori N570 *C                 108.0     25.3     1.64    1846    47.7    23232    5753   1.384
Lovex D100                         108.0     25.8     1.67    1828    49.8    24887    5268   1.359
ReloadSwiss RS 80 *C               108.0     26.0     1.69    1825    49.7    22802    5763   1.397
ADI AR 2225                        108.0     24.1     1.56    1811    53.2    21832    5496   1.422
Hodgdon Retumbo                    108.0     24.1     1.56    1811    53.2    21832    5496   1.422
Vihtavuori N170 *C                 108.0     23.7     1.54    1808    53.4    21718    5528   1.423
Vihtavuori 24N41 *C                108.0     25.5     1.65    1788    44.5    23679    4952   1.388
Alliant Reloder-33 *C              108.0     26.0     1.69    1768    44.9    21712    5262   1.431
ADI AR 2218                        108.0     25.5     1.65    1729    40.3    22126    4675   1.430
Norma 217 *C                       108.0     23.6     1.53    1688    47.8    18201    5017   1.528
Hodgdon H870                       108.0     24.8     1.60    1678    43.5    18903    4785   1.514
Somchem 12.7-0                     108.0     24.8     1.60    1669    40.2    20520    4214   1.479
Hodgdon 50BMG                      108.0     24.3     1.58    1655    38.7    19299    4388   1.507
ADI AS 25 BP                       108.0      8.1     0.52    1640   100.0    35718    2580   1.288
IMR TrailBoss                      108.0      8.1     0.52    1640   100.0    35718    2580   1.288
Hodgdon US 869                     108.0     25.5     1.65    1633    39.7    19016    4287   1.524
Bofors 12,7mmRA NC1214 Lot20115087 108.0     25.4     1.64    1599    38.8    16500    4684   1.593
SNPE Vectan SP 13                  108.0     24.5     1.59    1583    41.4    17025    4194   1.589
Alliant Reloder-50 *C              108.0     25.9     1.68    1565    37.2    16469    4319   1.607
Accurate 8700                      108.0     25.0     1.62    1543    37.8    17213    3789   1.595
PB Clermont PCL 513/520/9520       108.0     24.5     1.59    1539    38.7    16263    3916   1.623
Vihtavuori 20N29 *C                108.0     25.8     1.67    1499    35.1    16051    3687   1.641
NC A3502 ,test only                108.0     23.5     1.52    1497    29.1    17074    3104   1.607
TLP A 502(RH) ,test only           108.0     23.5     1.52    1462    30.0    15684    3132   1.659
V1734 7-multiperf ,test only       108.0     23.5     1.52    1084    14.5     9771    1516   2.129

H4895

AR-Comp & 8208; if I want to go slow(er), Varget usually gets good accuracy.

MM

My favorites are:
H4895
Varget
8208 XBR
RL-15

TAC didn't match the accuracy of the above. I wish it had since it meters so well.

There is a rumor going around that Hodgdon LEVERRevolution is where it's at.

8208 XBR works well for me.

CFE works great pretty dirty though, if same loads used in bolts, use LeverRevolution, same burn rate, not as dirty

I have loaded some 77 grainers with Varget. They are still unfired. I would like to try some 75's with H4895.
kwg

Originally Posted by Tim_K

8208 XBR works well for me.

+1

Tac worked really good for us with 77s.

75s are were not that accurate when pushed hard years ago, FWIW.

RL15 worked good.

4895s got to pressure before speed every time we tried it, but can't actually recall if we tried heavier than 73 before I said never again.

Varget

8208 has given me the best accuracy. Same load for 75 HPBT and 77 TMK.

PP2000MR gives slightly faster velocities, and meters perfectly, but accuracy drops a little.

Varget and H4895 did not work out nearly as good as 8208.

CFE223 showed promise, but it hit pressure signs extremely quick.

Varget, RL15, AR comp,

I'm using Ramshot X-Terminator with good result with the 77g Scenar.

Been liking Lever under 75BTHPs and 77TMKs for the past year.

@TheKid

Load data?

Anyone have Quickload numbers for Lever?

I've got Varget, IMR 4895 and IMR 3031 on the bench so those are the ones I'd start with.

I asked Stick about using Lever and he told me where to start. I worked up from 24 grains to 25.5 and stopped there because accuracy was good and I didn’t feel the need to push it further. Cases look good for whatever that’s worth, rounded primers and no sooty necks. I generally don’t reload brass out of my AR, I mostly shoot critters and don’t bother looking in the grass for empties.

So far the 25.5 load under both 75BTHP and 77TMK has accounted for two bucks and around a dozen pigs since November.

While looking for information about using this powder for 55 grain bullets in the 556,i found some posts that Stick made years ago.

They were using it for the heavy bullets but i can't remember where it was.

Does anyone care what FugStick does with it? I don't.

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Does anyone care what FugStick does with it? I don't.

While you may not care and some don’t like his presentation, the dude shoots, a bunch. I’ve never seen him steer anyone wrong when it comes to loading info. Some of us like to go shoot and kill stuff and some guys like to follow a guy around on the net and talk schit. He’s helped me with every question I’ve asked and I can leave it at that.

He's more willing to help a guy than cuss him but sometimes he's left no choice.

I've asked him questions and he's always helped.

Originally Posted by TheKid

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Does anyone care what FugStick does with it? I don't.

While you may not care and some don’t like his presentation, the dude shoots, a bunch. I’ve never seen him steer anyone wrong when it comes to loading info. Some of us like to go shoot and kill stuff and some guys like to follow a guy around on the net and talk schit. He’s helped me with every question I’ve asked and I can leave it at that.

While you are mostly right, there is a problem with Lever for 75gr 223 making ARs overgassed. It does work well if the rifle is tuned for it, but a 5.56 AR tuned correctly for Lever won't cycle with a lot of other powders like 8208, Varget, etc. The same rifle tuned for those powders will shoot but is severely overgassed with a full load of Lever; in my experience enough to cause severe case head swipes and early unlocking, along with extra wear and tear on the rifle's operating system. If you don't reload that brass maybe you aren't noticing those issues.

FWIW I do use Lever in a handful of different AR cartridges and am not arguing against using it, but pointing out an issue that is ignored by certain people.

Originally Posted by Yondering

Originally Posted by TheKid

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Does anyone care what FugStick does with it? I don't.

While you may not care and some don’t like his presentation, the dude shoots, a bunch. I’ve never seen him steer anyone wrong when it comes to loading info. Some of us like to go shoot and kill stuff and some guys like to follow a guy around on the net and talk schit. He’s helped me with every question I’ve asked and I can leave it at that.

While you are mostly right, there is a problem with Lever for 75gr 223 making ARs overgassed. It does work well if the rifle is tuned for it, but a 5.56 AR tuned correctly for Lever won't cycle with a lot of other powders like 8208, Varget, etc. The same rifle tuned for those powders will shoot but is severely overgassed with a full load of Lever; in my experience enough to cause severe case head swipes and early unlocking, along with extra wear and tear on the rifle's operating system. If you don't reload that brass maybe you aren't noticing those issues.

FWIW I do use Lever in a handful of different AR cartridges and am not arguing against using it, but pointing out an issue that is ignored by certain people.

Very interesting.

Do you think LVR is more pregressive burning, having higher pressure down the tube than conventional powder?

Any thoughts on what's going on there?

DF

Originally Posted by TheKid

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Does anyone care what FugStick does with it? I don't.

While you may not care and some don’t like his presentation, the dude shoots, a bunch. I’ve never seen him steer anyone wrong when it comes to loading info. Some of us like to go shoot and kill stuff and some guys like to follow a guy around on the net and talk schit. He’s helped me with every question I’ve asked and I can leave it at that.

Well he has argued with what we have used to WIN matches... He is about a mouthy little worthless itch in my books.

I won't argue his knowledge and what works for him, but thinking its the very best because he does it that way, well I guess it is what it is but there are other ways out there.

Of course I always thought one could share info without being an itch. He proves that wrong regularly.

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Anyone have Quickload numbers for Lever?

Sorry Tyrone, it's not listed in Quickload.

Here's a guy that's a lot less condescending than Fug Stick.
You don't even have to punch this guy in the nose to get some common respect out of him.

As you'll see in this vid, Lever's velocity is fine, it's accuracy is OK, but none of it really stands out. I would not choose it for competition.

I settled on 25.5 Lever under a 75 BTHP in LC brass and Rem 6-1/2 primers.

3/4” to 1” groups and that works for me. I’m not going to be shooting ground squirrels with that load.

I went with Lever not due any inherent magic but due to availability. Places to buy powder are scarce in my area but the few places usually have Lever. CFE didn’t give satisfactory results under 75s in my rifles and it’s about the only other commonly available powder that is suitable.
I then started a thread here and got advice from Stick and others and went from there.
I’m not shooting any competition, mostly shooting rocks, Plates, deer, and pigs with 75s and 77s. It works and works well for that.

Originally Posted by rost495

I won't argue his knowledge and what works for him, but thinking its the very best because he does it that way, well I guess it is what it is but there are other ways out there.

Applies to so many people, but it is especially prevalent on the fire.

Originally Posted by cwh2

Originally Posted by rost495

I won't argue his knowledge and what works for him, but thinking its the very best because he does it that way, well I guess it is what it is but there are other ways out there.

Applies to so many people, but it is especially prevalent on the fire.

But only one calls you obscene names when you don't do it like they do.

Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer

Originally Posted by Yondering

Originally Posted by TheKid

Originally Posted by Tyrone

Does anyone care what FugStick does with it? I don't.

While you may not care and some don’t like his presentation, the dude shoots, a bunch. I’ve never seen him steer anyone wrong when it comes to loading info. Some of us like to go shoot and kill stuff and some guys like to follow a guy around on the net and talk schit. He’s helped me with every question I’ve asked and I can leave it at that.

While you are mostly right, there is a problem with Lever for 75gr 223 making ARs overgassed. It does work well if the rifle is tuned for it, but a 5.56 AR tuned correctly for Lever won't cycle with a lot of other powders like 8208, Varget, etc. The same rifle tuned for those powders will shoot but is severely overgassed with a full load of Lever; in my experience enough to cause severe case head swipes and early unlocking, along with extra wear and tear on the rifle's operating system. If you don't reload that brass maybe you aren't noticing those issues.

FWIW I do use Lever in a handful of different AR cartridges and am not arguing against using it, but pointing out an issue that is ignored by certain people.

Very interesting.

Do you think LVR is more pregressive burning, having higher pressure down the tube than conventional powder?

Any thoughts on what's going on there?

DF

Yes, that's a good way to put it DF.

My best understanding of it is that they were able to make a slow burn rate powder denser, so that you can get enough in the case to boost velocity higher. Doing that results in spreading out the pressure curve longer (we can get more velocity with the same peak pressure if that peak is more like a gentle curve than a sharp spike). In turn, that results in higher pressure at the gas port, which functionally translates as "Lever produces more gas" and makes an AR cycle harder and faster than other common powders for the same application. If you add a suppressor in the mix, as more and more of us are doing these days, the problem gets even worse.

In a bolt or lever action the overgassed condition doesn't matter at all of course even if it's used with a suppressor, other than being a little louder.

I do have a couple favorite loads in other cartridges that use Lever because nothing else is as good. 129gr ABLR in my 6.5 Grendel is one example, and the 40gr V-Max in 20 Tactical is another; both of those give the highest velocity and the best accuracy with Lever at max loads. In the 20 Tactical, I have the rifle's gas adjusted for that one load; no need to use anything else. In the Grendel though, I do use other loads like a 123 ELD and 8208 XBR; at the same gas settings the 129 ABLR/Lever load is seriously overgassed and ruins brass. I solved it with a Bootleg adjustable bolt carrier in that gun; it'd be a good solution for using the 75gr 223 load as well but I haven't got around to buying another yet.

How much Lever in your 20 Tac load Yondering?

Originally Posted by Higbean

How much Lever in your 20 Tac load Yondering?

I'll have to look it up tonight and get back to you. Pretty close to a full case, but could still be loaded on a progressive without spilling.

Edit - forgot I had it in my chrono data here - 29.0gr.

LC17 brass
40gr V-Max @ 2.255"
Lever 29.0gr
3917 fps at the muzzle

That shoots better than any other load I've found in that rifle, but I could not find any published Lever data and worked up to it myself. Use at your own risk of course.

Would/should that be safe with a 40 grain 223?

Originally Posted by David_Walter

Would/should that be safe with a 40 grain 223?

Dave,

You couldn't put enough Lever behind a 40gr bullet in a .223 case to cause any problems.

Look at something similar of similar burn rate like CFE-223.

You are not going to get 32 grains of lever in a .223 case....

Code

Cartridge          : 5.56 mm NATO - 5.56 x 45 mm
Bullet             : .224, 40, Hornady V-MAX BT 22241
Useable Case Capaci: 26.680 grain H2O = 1.732 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.260 inch = 57.40 mm
Barrel Length      : 18.0 inch = 457.2 mm
Powder             : Hodgdon CFE223 *C

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.613% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-16.1   97    26.00   2725     660   29636   6882     67.1    0.960
-14.5   99    26.50   2789     691   31511   7133     68.7    0.943
-12.9  101    27.00   2854     723   33526   7386     70.4    0.919
-11.3  103    27.50   2920     757   35695   7638     72.0    0.895
-09.7  104    28.00   2988     793   38033   7889     73.6    0.870
-08.1  106    28.50   3057     830   40556   8138     75.2    0.845
-06.5  108    29.00   3127     869   43286   8384     76.8    0.820
-04.8  110    29.50   3199     909   46242   8627     78.4    0.796
-03.2  112    30.00   3272     951   49451   8865     80.0    0.772
-01.6  114    30.50   3346     995   52940   9097     81.5    0.749
+00.0  116    31.00   3422    1040   56746   9322     83.0    0.726  ! Near Maximum !
+01.6  117    31.50   3499    1087   60905   9539     84.5    0.704  ! Near Maximum !
+03.2  119    32.00   3577    1137   65461   9747     86.0    0.682  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.8  121    32.50   3657    1188   70471   9944     87.4    0.660  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.5  123    33.00   3738    1241   75994  10129     88.8    0.639  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.1  125    33.50   3820    1296   82113  10300     90.1    0.619  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 3% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 3% relative to nominal value:
+Ba    116    31.00   3506    1092   60103   9591     86.0    0.706  ! Near Maximum !
Data for burning rate decreased by 3% relative to nominal value:
-Ba    116    31.00   3335     988   53510   9015     79.9    0.747  ! Near Maximum !

8208 is unobtainium so I may end up trying Lever next with the heavies. An adjustable gas block should address any potential gassing issues.

If 8208 ever hits shelves again I will definitely pick up a jug.

@ antelope_sniper

Thanks!

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by David_Walter

Would/should that be safe with a 40 grain 223?

Dave,

You couldn't put enough Lever behind a 40gr bullet in a .223 case to cause any problems.

Look at something similar of similar burn rate like CFE-223.

You are not going to get 32 grains of lever in a .223 case....

I think you are probably right, but I wouldn't make that assumption about Lever just based on Quickload. It might work well under a 40gr 223, but you may run out of powder room a little below max.
I'd have to check this evening, but since 29.0gr of Lever fit in my 20 Tac cases easily, I think a normal 223 case should fit at least 31gr, don't know about 32.

If you want to use a different powder for 40gr 223, forget CFE223, Ramshot XTerminator is where it's at. When I was shooting a lot of the 40gr V-Max and BT, XTerminator gave the best accuracy and velocity in that old Rem 788. As a point of fact, best accuracy with all of the bullets I used in that range happened close to max loads.
Also - use the Western Powders load guide for that stuff.

Originally Posted by auk1124

8208 is unobtainium so I may end up trying Lever next with the heavies. An adjustable gas block should address any potential gassing issues.

If 8208 ever hits shelves again I will definitely pick up a jug.

That makes sense.

Also, in lieu of 8208 try Benchmark. It's a very slightly different burn rate but very close, and gives excellent accuracy in mine with the 75gr BTHP. I use 23.5gr of Benchmark and WSR or S&B SR primers for 2680 fps from a 16"; you can push it hotter but that is the accuracy node that seems to work across a few different rifles.

AR-Comp is also very close to 8208.

MM

Originally Posted by Yondering

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by David_Walter

Would/should that be safe with a 40 grain 223?

Dave,

You couldn't put enough Lever behind a 40gr bullet in a .223 case to cause any problems.

Look at something similar of similar burn rate like CFE-223.

You are not going to get 32 grains of lever in a .223 case....

I think you are probably right, but I wouldn't make that assumption about Lever just based on Quickload. It might work well under a 40gr 223, but you may run out of powder room a little below max.
I'd have to check this evening, but since 29.0gr of Lever fit in my 20 Tac cases easily, I think a normal 223 case should fit at least 31gr, don't know about 32.

If you want to use a different powder for 40gr 223, forget CFE223, Ramshot XTerminator is where it's at. When I was shooting a lot of the 40gr V-Max and BT, XTerminator gave the best accuracy and velocity in that old Rem 788. As a point of fact, best accuracy with all of the bullets I used in that range happened close to max loads.
Also - use the Western Powders load guide for that stuff.

I followed up on this today. As dropped from my RCBS powder dispenser, my sized LC brass holds 31-31.5gr of Lever, full to the top of the case neck. With a little tapping to settle the powder, 31gr is about halfway up the neck, and 32gr fits without overflowing. However, it's still too slow/bulky for best results with a 40gr bullet.

I tested it with the 40gr and 50gr V-max today in my 16" 223 Wylde, working up to 31.0gr of Lever under both. The 50gr Vmax averaged 3445 fps, which was similar to the 3415 fps that my standard load does with 28.6gr of X-Terminator. (Yes, that X-T load is high for 223 specs, but about right in line for 5.56 data if you interpolate a little bit with what Western Powders publishes. It's also a load I worked up that gives good case life and accuracy in cooler temps like right now, but should be backed off a bit for hot summers.)

The 40gr Vmax with 31.0gr of Lever did 3410 fps, indicating that Lever is just too bulky for best results with that bullet weight. X-Terminator and a couple other powders can do significantly better with the 40gr.

Just based on what I saw today, I think in my rifle's 223 Wylde chamber at least, Lever is probably better suited to 55gr and heavier bullets.

Also for comparison - this same rifle with the 75gr BTHP / 25.5gr Lever load mentioned by The Kid does 2720 fps, at least in these cooler temps (~45° F). That load can be pushed over 2800 fps in this rifle without sacrificing case life, as long as the gas is turned down. It's not at all friendly to suppressor use though, with a lot more gas in the face compared to the Benchmark or 8208 loads described above.

I'd trust AR comp in anything from 69-77 grains, only because those are the weights I've used it in. AR comp is a very forgiving powder and burns clean. Works great in all of my AR rifles, which include 223/556, 6WOA, and 308W. I can't say the same for 8208, which I did not like as well...

Originally Posted by Yondering

Originally Posted by Higbean

How much Lever in your 20 Tac load Yondering?

I'll have to look it up tonight and get back to you. Pretty close to a full case, but could still be loaded on a progressive without spilling.

Edit - forgot I had it in my chrono data here - 29.0gr.

LC17 brass
40gr V-Max @ 2.255"
Lever 29.0gr
3917 fps at the muzzle

That shoots better than any other load I've found in that rifle, but I could not find any published Lever data and worked up to it myself. Use at your own risk of course.

Thanks!

Anyone using Shooters World Tactical Rifle and the 75 BTHP?

Originally Posted by David_Walter

Anyone using Shooters World Tactical Rifle and the 75 BTHP?

Precision seems to be getting the most attention in the circles I frequent.

Precision in a 5.56?

Originally Posted by David_Walter

Precision in a 5.56?

Yep. Word is it's within a few fps of Varget.

Thanks.

I can't get Varget to meter well in my Dillon RL550, but it's most accurate with this bullet.

If Precision meters better than Varget, I need to get a jug...

Right now Trailboss.

But my goal might be a little different than others. I've been using CFE a bit lately as I picked up a bit of it a while back. If I was buying I think I'd look at IMR 8208.

Originally Posted by MontanaMan

AR-Comp is also very close to 8208.

MM

So is AA2460.

kwg

Originally Posted by kwg020

Originally Posted by MontanaMan

AR-Comp is also very close to 8208.

MM

So is AA2460.

kwg

AA2460 is close to 8208 in what way? Burn rate - sure, but so are a bunch of other powders.

Those two are different in just about every other way - charge weights, max velocity potential, temp sensitivity, powder type, etc. 8208 is a short extruded stick powder, 2460 is a ball powder. 8208 is relatively insensitive to temp changes, but 2460 is pretty sensitive at least in 5.56 with heavy bullets.

Maybe you were thinking of a different powder, not 2460?