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Is an NIB Ruger No1 in .22Hornet for $699 a good deal?
Posted By: digger44 Re: Price check on No1 Hornet - 02/28/12
ummmmm .... YEAH !!!
+2, grab it shocked

Gunner
Fantastic price, get it!
Posted By: 1B Re: Price check on No1 Hornet - 02/28/12
Great deal if its a 1B. If it is a 1A you might be onto the 'Steal of the Decade". #3s are also pretty nice.

1B
Posted By: Ron_T Re: Price check on No1 Hornet - 02/28/12
Good buy if the rifle's condition is actually "NIB"... and if you can accept the range limitations of a .22 Hornet which is a 150 yard cartridge.


Ron T.
Posted By: redz06 Re: Price check on No1 Hornet - 02/28/12
I do not think so. The typical No.1 does not sell well to the masses. I think if you gave 700, you might want to keep it a while before thinking of reselling, just my opinion. If it is going to be a keeper, then who knows but you. Gun sales can act funny, sometimes the lack of availablity influences numbers; sometimes not.

Take a look at the gun e-sites to see supposed selling prices, note that all that sell are not all completed sales. Sales numbers, values vary greatly by area. In my area, if one took that to a local shop or show, the offers would be around 1/2 to 2/3 of your number depending on cash/tradein. Just what I have experienced, so I keep them for donors.

That past four that I have purchased, none were over 500, all hornets for what that is worth. Perhaps the values are better where you are at.

It would be difficult to see much more than 500.
Posted By: 1B Re: Price check on No1 Hornet - 02/28/12
redz06,

The last four #1 Hornets you bought NIB cost you under $500? Do you live in the slums of Albania? Or did you buy them in 1980?

I cannot any longer find used and abused donor #1s for projects for that price, much less NIB models.

Also, the price offered by local shop owners is not what they charge when they resell them. The latter is the fair comparison point for this guy's query.

Its clear you have no use for the Hornet as is. You may be missing something. It makes a fine walking sroud short to mid renage varmint/plinking round and in a Ruger #1 gives me lots of muscle memory honing practice at a very low cost. And, Mule Deer counted his 1B Hornet among his ten favorite rifles a few years ago.

1B



Posted By: redz06 Re: Price check on No1 Hornet - 02/28/12
1B,

I only have purchased 5 No.1 hornets in factory condition(recounted today). Three of them were purchased post 2000 new/preowned for 500 or less, the last two were purchased preowned last year, one for 450 and the other for 500 if that matters to you. Nice wood/metal, not beaters by any means.

I am not sure why you would have a comment about where anyone lives, some might take it the wrong way. It really is meaningless to most.

I have an appreciation for the Hornet, but with a custom barrel, mostly in the 17 and 22K varieties. I have not tried the Lil Gun powder yet in a standard hornet, but the net says it gives pretty good speed.

I agree trade in value is not much on a No.1, at least in some localities. To sell one is a little different on occasion, but you have to find the right new guy. I have read on other forums about buying no.1's. It seems to vary with region or occasion with some forums/posters.

I have no idea about whether the original poster or others like the No.1 hornet or not, he asked about pricing, and I tried to respond. I would be hesitant to give 500+ unless I did some research on sales in my area or just wanted the rifle which might be the case irregardless of price.

Posted By: vaturkey Re: Price check on No1 Hornet - 02/28/12
I saw a real nice one last week at a gunshow in Harrisonburg Va. Asking price was $750. Needless to say it never moved off the table.
I felt it was too high. What do we think we would offer if someone offered to sell this gun at $699 from $850? He only came off of $850 because I told him I'd seen that gun on his shelf since at least 2007.

I'm spoiled from having worked at a gunstore prior to joining the Army so I haven't paid much over dealer cost in a long time.
Posted By: 1B Re: Price check on No1 Hornet - 02/29/12
redz06,

The Albania comment was out of line. I apologize.

1B
Posted By: redz06 Re: Price check on No1 Hornet - 02/29/12
1B,

no problem on my end.

Redz06
Posted By: Ron_T Re: Price check on No1 Hornet - 02/29/12
1B...

After reading your posts for the past several years, I think most of us realized that you are a considerate gentleman and knew you were making a joke. smile


Strength & Honor...

Ron T.
Posted By: redz06 Re: Price check on No1 Hornet - 02/29/12
It was a difficult joke for me really; but time goes on.
Posted By: Ron_T Re: Price check on No1 Hornet - 03/05/12
Yes, I can see it was "difficult" for you... and my post was as much to help you realize 1B was joking as to tell 1B most of us knew he was joking.

The vast majority of posters in the Forum are good and decent gentlemen... and 1B is most certainly one of 'em... as are you, I'm sure. smile

My post was more to ease tensions than anything else... and, hopefully, that has been accomplished. Now we can move on...


Strength & Honor...

Ron T.
Posted By: redz06 Re: Price check on No1 Hornet - 03/05/12
Ron T.

You know, it has been good to get help and give help here on this forum. That said, you and 1B have shown me the other side of things, that really, all in all, that new members are not really welcome. You show that in your use of "" and obiviously taking sides in a matter that did not really concern you.

I wish you both well in your endeavors, there won't be anymore "tensions" for you to be concerned with, hopefully that will satisfy you both.

Redz06
Posted By: jt402 Re: Price check on No1 Hornet - 03/05/12
Hornets are useful.

RonT, I like your tag line. After a long career in enforcement, I made the mistake of answering the phone one morning. I ended up going to work for a large trucking company that was in need of help in complying with all the DOT rules and regulations. After I had been there a while, my vice president stopped by one day for a discussion on management and administration. After my input, he commented that I knew lots of stuff. My reply was that I did know lots of stuff and that some of it was even useful. jack
Posted By: Ron_T Re: Price check on No1 Hornet - 03/14/12
402... thanx for your comments. When I frequented chat rooms 10-15 years ago on the internet and when questioned or challenged about something I'd said or commented on... I use to say, "I know a lot about a little and a little about a lot, but only a fool thinks he gets smarter and smarter until he knows EVERYTHING about NOTHING!". That statement usually broke the tension and everyone got a giggle outta it... and moved on in peace.

"Life" is too short to live in anger... and it's best to really try to just "get along". grin

In this Forum, I am truly sorry that Redz06 felt I unfairly "defended" 1B when my only purpose in posting was to hopefully replace what I sensed was obvious anger with a more calm and positive outlook and understanding.

In my mind, I wasn't particularly favoring 1B, but I honestly did feel that he was joking and that while his words might possibly upset someone, he was merely making a joke and was gentleman enough to apologize once he realized he had offended someone.

Unfortunately this didn't seem to be enough for Redz06. Had he checked my posts through the almost 9 years I've frequented the various forums on the "Fire", he would have noted that I've never made nasty or unfriendly comments to anyone as a matter of habit regardless of what they've said or how they've said it to or about me.

I.E., I've always tried to be a "peace-maker"... which tends to be my nature in real life as well. It is unfortunate that some folks just have to be critical and look for problems... whether those problems actually exist or not. smile


Strength & Honor...

Ron T.
Posted By: 1B Re: Price check on No1 Hornet - 03/14/12
redz06,

You should know that the remark in question was not made to you as a relative new comer here. I had no idea at the time how many posts you had made then, and I care nothing about it now. Waving that bloody shirt is unjustified. Now if you had warned us all that you bruise easily and tend to withdraw when challenged, I might have dialed down the rhetoric.

The issue was your assertion on costs of used #1s that was way out of line with everything I have seen at multiple gunshops, gun shows in VA and 3 adjoining states, and the internet. For the record, I continue to doubt that the prices you quoted are the norm anywhere -- except for what a gun shop or pawn store might offer you for a used #1 rifle before adding their substanital profit to their price tag. Of course, there are clueless, inept, private sellers out there but they are not trend setters. And those deals represent a highly random, bottom end, of a price range that goes quite a bit higher. Any aware seller -- private or dealer -- could advertise such #1s on the inet for at least $100 to $150 more, or sell or trade them at gunshows for equivelant value. Why would they take such a skinning?

Anyway,...now I am on the verge of apologizing to the Albanians .

1B







Not to get in the middle of this tift, but redz06 is obviously the same fellow who goes by roofinspector over on the RugerForum.

He is always stating how cheaply he gets his No. 1's, but will never say what part of the country he lives in to obtain these deals. Everyone responds to his assertions that Ruger No. 1's cannot be obtained for those prices anywhere else on earth in 2012, then he tends to get defensive.
Not sure what his game is, if any, but just thought I'd offer this as an "explanation" of where he's coming from (though as I said, he won't divulge WHERE that is ;-)
Posted By: 1B Re: Price check on No1 Hornet - 03/14/12
Bingo! I never connected the dots.

1B
Posted By: Bricktop Re: Price check on No1 Hornet - 03/14/12
I can't speak for redz06, but I do think good deals can be had if you're willing to do a little shopping. I bought -- off AR15.com's board in 2007 -- a 1A in 7x57 with original box, Leupold Vari-XIIc 1x4, about 200 rounds of brass, sling, and Lee dies for $700 shipped, while I've seen -- even in 2007 -- people busting their asses to pay $800 for an identical rifle by itself. I've also watched people more than willing to pay upwards of $1K for 1Bs in .257 Roberts while David Spiwak -- a reputable dealer out of PA -- ran a LNIB 1B in .257 Roberts through Gunbroker multiple times two years ago at $700 before selling. I've seen local yokels asking -- and apparently getting -- $1K for common-as-dirt black pad 1Bs in .22-250 while a Lipsey's 1A in .257 Roberts with two sets of rings and Ruger-branded sling languished at $700 (I got that one).
Yeah, prices on No. 1's (or No. 3's) are all over the place. It depends on the part of the country and how much patience you have.

A good friend of mine who's a well-known custom gunsmith made part of his living while starting out by buying used No. 1's in one part of Texas and selling them at the other end. Can't remember which end was which now, but he was making at least $200 a rifle.

I bought a little-used #3 .22 Hornet with a 4-12x Redfield scope, 2 sets of dies and a bunch of brass and bullets for $500 here in Montana maybe three years ago. It was the right deal at the right time. If you really want some sort of #1 or #3, you'll usually pay a higher price.
Posted By: John_Boy Re: Price check on No1 Hornet - 03/19/12
I bought a No. 1 in 45-70 for $550 from a wide open space, flat part of the country and sold it in a wooded part of the country for $700. So it follows what BT & JB said. Be patient and shop.
My only mistake on a No. 1 was the 22lr conversion I bought and then in a weak moment sold......for $500 profit.....
Of course anyone can find deals on a No. 1, or any other type of gun for that matter. . . if you're patient, and cover a lot of territory (or have lots of good contacts).
Those cases are the exception, rather than the rule, so I maintain that most of us have to deal with the reality of currnet "market" prices, and feel lucky when we chance upon a great deal before some other No. 1 loony finds it.
Posted By: Bricktop Re: Price check on No1 Hornet - 03/19/12
Originally Posted by gewehrfreund
Those cases are the exception, rather than the rule, so I maintain that most of us have to deal with the reality of currnet "market" prices, and feel lucky when we chance upon a great deal before some other No. 1 loony finds it.
I disagree. Big time.
What are they getting for No. 1s in 275 Rigby these days ?

You got pics of all these No. 1s you own or did you just steal stock pics off the net ?

See you in June (NOT!)
There's a Rigby sitting on GB right now for $1800.00. It has been there for months and will be for many more, unless someone is in search of no. 006. He's asking about $400.00 more than it's worth, regardless of it being a single digit gun within a special run.

I've got two of them here at the house, one NIB the other used. No. 78, the used one came to me in the mid $900.00 range and the other NIB one was right around the $1300 range (No. 56).

gewehrfreund, I've personally contacted the individual you are talking about pertaining to some of his "normal prices for his area" statements. I got no personal response from him, but he did make a comment on a thread about not giving up his dealers to anyone. I have my opinion about him, but I'll keep it to myself.

I've been buying a lot of No. 1 RSI's over the past two years all over the country. I have a lot time on my hands and do A LOT of searching and calling so I can say with a pretty good certainty that great deals on No. 1's are the exception, not the rule, even when searching.

I snagged another RSI in .243 with a redfield scope for $850 from cabelas. This is a smoking deal if you consider a 2 to 250.00 dollar scope is mounted on it. After I sell the scope, I'll be looking at the gun more like a $650.00 dollar rifle.


1885boomstick
Posted By: Bricktop Re: Price check on No1 Hornet - 03/21/12
I made you hide under your bed once, bitch, no reason for me to do it again.
You are a serial liar, you were never there and everybody knows it.

I have a Deputy who watched the dead end road THE WHOLE DAY you claimed you came and our video system (didn't plan on that did you ?) did not record a single car that was not a resident.

Of course you also knew I wasn't there as I had told you so, but you didn't have the balls to come to Florida, did you ?

You were even so stupid you called and left messages on my Wyoming Voicemail not some Radio Shack answering machine. Do you have any idea what can be pulled off those saved voicemail ? Well jerkoff, after 30 years with the Telephone company, I do.

You are a liar and coward and when you welch on the terms of wager, you are going to be outed all over the Internet, complete with photos and witnesses.

You fooled nobody, even a fellow member outed your faked photos.

It's sad that you are allowing yourself to be used by the trolls. They don't give a rats azz about you and will drop you like a red hot chicken wing when you are really "outed".

I'm about as likely to hide from you as I am from a cockroach.

June grows closer, you have three police reports filed on you that are moving along.

You have yet to produce a SINGLE stolen photo or link to where they were stolen from.

Sad, that a white boy who actually has something to contribute on shipping firearms, has painted himself into a liars corner just to try and impress a bunch of jerks who care not a whit what happens to you.

You still have time to unwind your mess with an admission that you have no evidence of stolen photos, were never anywhere near my home in Wyoming and issue an apology to me for your lies and slander.

If not, it will play out as scheduled and anyone who believes the truth, will know exactly who and what you are.
Posted By: Bricktop Re: Price check on No1 Hornet - 03/21/12
The trip and the destination was well-documented, dickhead. You hid out in Pinedale's Best Western until you felt I was safely out of your burg.

Here's a good analogy of what happened, Larry, as well as how you're "handling" it now:



"You yellow bastards! Come back here and take what's coming to you! I'll bite your legs off!"
Oh yeah, it's well "documented" all right. What is documented is that you were never there BOTH by witnesses, and video.

You can wiggle all you want. You were even outed by two other members and treated another, who made a courteous request of you,
like a POS.

It's obvious you're looking for cover to welch out on the June bet.

You still have time to unwind your mess with an admission that you have no evidence of stolen photos, were never anywhere near my home in Wyoming and issue an apology to me for your lies and slander

FLASH.....your "duck and cover" won't work. BUT you will be famous all across the Internet.

Thanks for you stupid post.... reminds me I owe a callback to the OUPD.
Posted By: Bricktop Re: Price check on No1 Hornet - 03/21/12
Originally Posted by interthem
Oh yeah, it's well "documented" all right. What is documented is that you were never there BOTH by witnesses, and video.

You can wiggle all you want. You were even outed by two other members

<SNIP>

I owe a callback to the OUPD.
If it didn't happen and you don't believe it happened, then why in the hell are you bothering the police? You're just a f*cking idiot, Larry. You'll never have any credibility in this venue nor will you ever gain any with any feeble attempt at posturing yourself as a "tuff guy."
Posted By: ranger1 Re: Price check on No1 Hornet - 03/21/12
My favorite part of the whole saga is Larry's chest thumping despite the fact that he claims to have called half of the cops between WY and where ever. Never met a guy that's so tough that's also so inclined to hide behind the law.
Posted By: nsaqam Re: Price check on No1 Hornet - 03/21/12
That's been Larry's MO since I got here.

Threaten LE action for every perceived slight or perceived threat.

Of course none of it has ever materialized and Larry denies making any threats of his own even though I have emails from him where he invites me down to Pinedale to introduce me to Wyoming's Castle Law and his dogs.

What a buffoon!
Posted By: Cocadori Re: Price check on No1 Hornet - 03/21/12
Originally Posted by ranger1
My favorite part of the whole saga is Larry's chest thumping despite the fact that he claims to have called half of the cops between WY and where ever. Never met a guy that's so tough that's also so inclined to hide behind the law.


No schit... that's what I was thinking.
Do us all a favor... Stop ruining perfectly good threads with your BS....


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Posted By: mudhen Re: Price check on No1 Hornet - 03/22/12
Larry has gone bananas. He seems to feel that he has some sort of new-found credibility. On some threads, half the posts have that red avatar and the notation, "***You are ignoring this user***". He is posting on the hunting trucks forum like a one-man Consumer Reports. He is one sick puppy!

I would love to read the incident reports of the LEOs that he claims to have contacted. Unfortunately, they probably don't exist either, and our entertainment is thus diminished proportionately.
Posted By: 1B Re: Price check on No1 Hornet - 03/22/12
These guys crave attention so badly that smeering themselves in [bleep] and painting themselves blue are just bench marks on the road of their decline. Nothing helps staunch the craving -- even ignoring it -- as it has its own inner momentum. The more they degrade themselves, the more degradation they need. They will find ways to encroach anywhere you hide.

Loony bins and chemical regimens will eventualy claim them but the wreckage they leave behind will include their imitatators.

1B

Ron_T: I own a Ruger #1-B in caliber 22 Hornet - I mounted a Leupold 6x18 variable power scope on it and to date I have killed MANY, MANY Varmints way out past 200 yards with it.
In fact I have it sighted in dead on at 200 yards and have killed Colony Varmints out to 300 yards or so with it.
Indeed the 22 Hornet does not have the laser like trajectory of a 204 Ruger or a 220 Swift - but with a Leica laser rangefinder and a familiarization with my handloads this lovely little Rifle is much more than 150 yards worthy.
I use pointy V-Max bullets in my Hornet and that helps out a bit.
Long live the 22 Hornet.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy
Posted By: 1B Re: Price check on No1 Hornet - 03/31/12
Varmintguy,

John Barsness's artiocle on his top 10 rifles a few years ago had the same observation on the 300 yard capability of his Hornet #1B.

1B
Posted By: jkingrph Re: Price check on No1 Hornet - 04/03/12
Originally Posted by VarmintGuy
Ron_T: I own a Ruger #1-B in caliber 22 Hornet - I mounted a Leupold 6x18 variable power scope on it and to date I have killed MANY, MANY Varmints way out past 200 yards with it.
In fact I have it sighted in dead on at 200 yards and have killed Colony Varmints out to 300 yards or so with it.
Indeed the 22 Hornet does not have the laser like trajectory of a 204 Ruger or a 220 Swift - but with a Leica laser rangefinder and a familiarization with my handloads this lovely little Rifle is much more than 150 yards worthy.
I use pointy V-Max bullets in my Hornet and that helps out a bit.
Long live the 22 Hornet.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy


I have what sounds like an identical setup and have hit turtles at about 250 yards. I really don't hunt varmits much but it's deadly on those pesky targets.
#1-B: I see Mr. Barsness rather often of late - mostly at gunshows and the like.
He is always busy talkin with folks and I have as yet to strike up a conversation with him - this subject might be a good intro.
I missed that article on his Top Ten Rifles - apparently the Ruger #1-B in 22 Hornet is one of his Top Ten Rifles?
I have lots of fun with my "twin" Ruger #1-B's in 22 Hornet and 218 Bee, and I would have to rate them high in the fun department but I will have to read that article to get some more rationale on the 22 Hornet getting into his Top Ten list.
I am still sick that they have quit making the Ruger in #1-B configuration.
My first Ruger #1 was a #1-B 6mm Remington it was bought new with serial number 1,300 - exactly.
Boy I wish I had that one back.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy
Posted By: 1B Re: Price check on No1 Hornet - 04/11/12
Varmintguy,

Mule Deer's article appeared in the Septmber 2007 edition of Rifle magazine beginning on page 54.

I'd be glad to send you a zerox copy to yopur email address.

1B
I'd like to get a Bee myself, in a 1B (pun intended). A little more case for the 26" barrel. smile
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