Anybody out there actually own one? I've been reading about them and I have this unreasonable desire for one in .375 Holland. I know that a slicked up Ruger #1 would be much cheaper, but the Hagn has really got my attention.

Can one of these be ginned up into a classy rifle in the $5000 range?

SS

Sharpshooter: Hagn's completed rifles start at about $9000.00US. Most that I've examined had options beyond that price-engraving, color case hardening, sight options etc. They are works of art really but very functional and lively in the hands.

I believe you can buy an in the white action for somewhere around 2000-3000 U.S.. What you spend beyond that in completion would depend a lot on the barrel,wood and finish choices you make tied to the labor required to assemble the components to your satisfaction.

I don't own one but have spent a bit of time in Hagn's (now Martini and Hagn) shop and examined them in pretty much all stages of completion. If I were ever to buy one I would want one finished by them rather than farmed out for finishing just so it could properly be called a Hagn built rifle. However I have seen pictures of rifles where the work was done by various gun smiths and the results were spectacular but I suspect the costs were approaching 15-20K.

Martini and Hagn have a web site which I don't have a quick link reference to but a web search should turn it up pretty quickly. I think Ralf Martini is probably doing most of the machine work now and he does excellent work.

Find the site and send them an e-mail asking about prices for getting one with and without barrel installed, quarter rib and sights etc . You'll get a picture of what it will cost.

I have seen a few at the Calgary gunshow and a friend owns at least 2 of them. http://www.martiniandhagngunmakers.com/ourhistory.htm
The ones I've seen were more like $25000 US but for this you get a work of art-not a bad deal. Strange as I handled one I never once thought that they were priced too high but how I could get the money to order one.Do yourself a favour and see some of this work in person and handle one-pictures just don't do justice to the work.
Glenn

I have been looking at their website for some time now. I am very impressed by the look of their finish work, but I am thinking more along the lines of a field grade rifle. I am just not going to be able to put $10,000 plus in a rifle and then use it in the field like this 375 Holland will get used. I am interested in the best action I can afford to build a field grade gun on.

SS

Go on!! Do it!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Yer gonna die someday and people are gonna gather round and say nice things about you regardless!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

A "field grade" Hagn, finished and decently scoped is going to run you ten grand, no way around it. I have though about buying one in 9.3x74R as a companion to my Merkel drilling in that chambering, but, I spent my gun bux on other goodies this year and can't afford it now. You might phone them and enquire about "per-owned" rifles, they do have a couple on hand.

Look at a Miller rifle.. it has the fastest locktime and fewest parts in single shot reciver. Dakoa arms bought his company two(?) years ago, but he is employed there still. I think they are beautiful, but if I had the money, Im not sure wich I would choose. Only the caliber is certain, 300 H&H!

But the Hagn is beauty!!

Take a look: http://www.dakotaarms.com/cgi-bin/quikstore.cgi?category=Miller_Arms_Rifles

The Milleris a fine action but doesn't really make a good looking hunting rifle, there is too much metal around the lever and it looks bulky and graceless.

I agree on the Miller. I have shot with a guy that has one on a BPCR and its OK but its not a Hagn. The Hein is very tempting and seems to be very well built, but I just can't see enough in the pictures to make a good judgement.

The Hagn, on the other hand has the grace of the Borchardt and the continental/African style that gets my blood rolling. The problem is that $10,000 would require a solid reduction in my gun vaults to finance. That's why I was thinking about buying an action or a barreled action then sitting on it a year or two until I could finance completion.

Why is it that my taste outstrips my finances by such a wide margin?

SS

How about these?

LRF, those are not bad, The top one with that exposed sort of Roman nose hammer is not my style but I am intrigued by the one on the bottom. The side lever is neat and different. What caliber are they?

Thanks,
SS

Both are designed and built by me. The top one is built for offhand shooting at 200 meters and is in 40-60 Maynard caliber. Why 40-60 Maynard because you can make the brass very easily from 30-40 krag. It has a 30" oct barrel and is a takedown. Front sight is spirit level windgauge with interchangeable inserts.
The bottom is in 405 Winchester. Shot a pig in January with it.

LRF:

That side lever is very, very intriguing. Would you please let us see some full length photos?

- TJM

LRF, you must be a mechanical genius. Are you building these from scratch?

I like them and the 405 is built for hog killing.

SS

Here are a few others and the 405 full length:

"mechanical genius" thanks but you are carrying it a little far.
I just like spending time working in the shop.

LRF, I hate to post this in public but I am your long lost son in need of re-adoption. Please send me your address and it would be best to put me in a bedroom of my own. I am guessing I will leave home after you have taught me to build 30 or 40 rifles. Don't let me get in the tequila before running your power tools.

See you soon,
SS

LRF:

Thanks, so much. That .405 is indeed as nice-looking as I suspected.

I'm beginning to think the only way I can afford a side-lever falling block like that is to build one myself, as you have, but I doubt if I could reach that level of craftsmanship.

- TJM

Talk to Martini & Hagn -I'm sure they can relate to the concept of a hunting finish on their rifle. Nuff said.

[color:"black"] [/color] No, The Hagns are now over 11K American for a completed rifle. Actions are 2500-3000, accodring to the size you want. But, yes they are worth every penny and more even at that price. No comparison to anything elsse today. I own one in .45-70

I imported a Martini-Hagn for a customer about 2 years ago. It was well below the prices stated here as the person did his own stock for it. It is chambered in 280 Remington, has a gain twist barrel. Very nice firearm.

Allen, mine will be ready around May or so. The only question now is whether or not to have the action scalloped. 300 Win. Mag. with nice Turkish walnut.

SS

SS,
Have you decided yet about the scallop? Can't remember if I sent all the scallop pics to you or not, so I'll post what I have here.

My preferred alternative on a Farquharson, I've got a larger pic of this, let me know if you want me to post it.


Here's a couple of Hagns that were scalloped on the rear. This first one is a Maurice Ottmar built rifle. I'm not sure if Maurice did the whole rifle or if he did either the metal or wood and someone did the other. I don't know who did the engraving.


This next Hagn is another Maurice Ottmar rifle with Roger Kehr's engraving skills, and shows a nice scalloped Hagn action.

Allen
A gain twist barrel - that must be one of Ron Smith's barrels as I don't know any one else that does gain twist in Canada.Great cut rifled barrels that shoot very well.
SS can't wait for pictures-just the right time to work up loads-just a few small details left I see. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
Glenn

Dave, sorry I missed your post. I'm in northern Colo. about to head over the divide elk hunting.

I have not made up my mind on the scallop. I sure do like them. I need to talk to the German and get his take on it. The best thing would be for me to make Reno and talk to him personally. Might have some wood with him to look at as well. I don't know, seems like work dominates my life. Still Reno would be a worth while trip.

SS

Gotta agree. I sent him an email asking about the scalloping, but I don't think his idea of scallop and mine are the same (might be because I'm using the wrong word). I'm going to send him a letter with some pictures and an explanation.

I was going to wait until the ACGG show, but I'm not sure if I'm going to make it now. We'll see. I'll give you a holler if I do.

When I hear back from Martin or Ralf, I'll let you know what they said.