Conservative MP Blaine Calkins sponsors petition E-3388 on RCMP's Secret Long-Gun Registry

Long Gun Registry Petition

It talks about enacting a commission to ensure that it’s destroyed.

I want a commission to investigate and lay charges against those who broke the law!

I would write Blaine Calkins.

Its about time they're fighting that idiot Trudeau and the crazy uneducated liberals up in Canada

Let's face it. It is absolutely no surprise that the long gun registry was never destroyed.
I never had any doubt that it still existed.
Any data that they can so easily keep secretly will be kept secretly.
And, they won't face any consequences for it.
And even if they promise to destroy it yet again, they will simply lie and hide another copy.
Technology has made it very easy to store and duplicate information endlessly.
It never disappears.

This MP is perfectly aware of this.
His petition is really just another empty promise which will buy him some votes from us gun owners.

There's no reason to be grumpy. This isn't another COVID post.

If you would like to sign the petition, be my guest.

When the Government lies to its Citizen's I will meet their lies with my own lies. Trust between Canada and its Citizen's is at an all time low.

It's never been "destroyed". Probably archived in hundreds of places and many of those probably unsecured. Took the book off the table but many copies left in the library. Guaranteed it was used in the High River gun grab during the flood a few years back. They can "destroy" it all they want for public relations exercises but it's always going to be there..

There's no reason to be grumpy. This isn't another COVID post.

Not Grumpy. Just being realistic.

Well, it's like in the old novels when someone pays off a blackmailer, and they say:

"Don't worry, I destroyed all of the negatives."

Sure..........

The thing is that the old registry has become outdated and may not be very useful anymore, to know who owns what.

But it DOES tell police who the gun owners are if they feel the need to respond.

However, with the impending legislation, it's all about to change.

With every long gun transfer requiring that gun shops and individuals verify PAL's for each and every sale, and with both being required to keep detailed records of said sale, it becomes an easy matter to keep track of exactly who bought what, and when, and where.

And, should a gun shop go out of business they are required to deliver said sales records to the federal government.

Easy-Peasy back door registry.

We could use something in this section other than COVID chat and grumpy Gusses complaining about everything. We get that every day in the news.

There are a lot of pleasant things to talk about. What happened to fishing trips, hunting/range/shooting/competition events? Camping? Hiking? Reloading? Firearms chat?

I agree that it would be nice if we could focus on what you say, but we don't all of the time. And you only have to look at what the Americans post in their section to realize that it is far worse, in that it is predominantly a toxic stew of racism, ridiculous ultra-right conspiracy theories, and Christians who preach bigotry.

In any case I find it odd that you would post this petition story in the first place, which has nothing to do with camping, hiking, reloading, hunting, or competition.

Then when you receive rational discussion about it, you proclaim that everyone are "grumpy gusses" for discussing it, rather than simply saluting it.

And now you want to change the subject entirely?

I don't think that anybody is being a grump here.

They are just expressing their concerns about the supposedly erased long gun registry, which seems right and proper.

The strange posts are mostly in the Campfire forum. The area is referred to by many as the top forum. My personal belief is that most of the COVID posts in the Canadian forum actually belong there. I believe they are what you described as "ridiculous ultra-right conspiracy theories".

WRT the petition, it is firearms related. I hope that I don't have to explain that. It was a notification that if you wished to sign, feel free. I provided the link

Feel free to post a discussion on fishing, hunting, camping, shooting, competition, the outdoors, hiking, etc. should you be inclined. It would be a pleasant change.

The interaction from some of the posters here is very odd indeed. I think People will post whatever they want so long as its within the rules of the forum.
Not what a couple bullies or left wing hacks tell the members to post up.

I certainly hope that the members will indeed post whatever they wish within the rules of the forum.

I for one strongly believe in freedom of speech, as I have said frequently.

And I believe very strongly that the members DO have every right to discuss and freely debate the topic of the thread.

As for falsely labelling those who may disagree with you as "left wing hacks" and "bullies", I would remind you that you also referred to me in the "Gun Shop Private Rules" thread as a:

1) Paid troll / United Front type.
2) A communist / antifa type.
3) A dumbphuck.

All in the same posting.

Does this silly rhetoric really work for you in this forum?

But anyway, I would hope that the members will not be deterred from speaking their mind.

So, I would still be very interested in hearing more opinions about the long gun registry or about the petition, from other members, as I am sure that Steve would.

I am not interested in hearing any gun registry opinions. This is a hunting forum. I expect everyone is of the same mind.

LOL...yeah

Does it matter what you are interested in hearing ? Asking for a friend. Nobody is forcing you to read or even open a thread you are not interested in are they ?

BTW any gun registry implications would be of interest to hunters I can assure you.

Bang on again

Steve has the strange idea that only his interest/opinions are important.

Lorne's posts are usually to insult or complain. Yukon's posts are about COVID. Who cares?

Yukon, take your endless COVID posts to the top forum. You will have a huge audience there. Or are you scared you will get chased off again?

Lorne, try starting some posts of your own rather than crabbing about others.

No Steve, this is the "Canada" forum. It is entirely general in scope, as can be seen from the many other threads in it.

And, YOU are the person who started this thread about Blake Calkins and signing his Petition E-3388, which has absolutely nothing to do with hunting.

So why would you now say, within this same thread, that this is a hunting forum and that everyone agrees with you in this???

It makes absolutely no sense.

I am not saying this is the case, but it's almost as if the OP and the person making OP follow-up replies are two different people.

It makes perfect sense. I responded to your post.

You said,

So, I would still be very interested in hearing more opinions about the long gun registry or about the petition, from other members, as I am sure that Steve would.

Talking to you does seem like I am responding to two or three people. I must assume that you are bored and would like to chat.

As you can see, I responded and said no to your statement. I am not interested in hearing anything.

WRT the registry, I know no one here who supported it.

Chased off ? Sorry Steve but I really have no idea what thats about. Im not the type to run and its OK by me if people have a different opinion.

I have no idea what your life is like, but here's some facts. I've been involved in the hunting / fishing and trapping game on a professional level my entire life. Nothing in my lifetime has effected outdoorsmen, and women, like covid has. Nothing. This includes residents as well as nonresidents on both sides of the border.

Literally millions of dollars of trips have been canceled. Hunters and anglers from around the world are wondering about their deposits Canadian outfitters are holding. US outfitters and those in other countries are in the same boat. How many outfitters will survive? What will travel look like when/if this ever ends? Will an outdoorsman be allowed to travel if they cant or wont get the vaccine for whatever reason?? The list of things covid related that concerns hunters and anglers is endless. This is an outdoor forum. Covid threads are relevant and will be for some time.

Its quite obvious that you try to control the narrative on this section. I have no idea why. Like I said before, no body is forcing you to read anything. You get nasty and try to belittle anyone with a different opinion or interest than yourself. My take on things is that you dont get out much and you feel like this place is your own private little audience.

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bushrat;
Top of the morning to you sir, I hope that you're getting some decent spring weather in your part of Alberta and that you and those who matter to you are all well.

In my view, your comment about the use of the registry in the High River fiasco is spot on. While there was precious little coverage in the media surrounding the reasoning behind it, it gave me pause that the Canadian military were disinclined to participate in it, but the RCMP involved didn't blink.

If any individual members did, it's either been suppressed or they've been sanctioned into silence.

Until I watched the video Ian Runkle had with Ed Burlew on this topic, I wasn't that concerned, but afterward I now am. Rather than regurgitate the entire video, I'll strongly suggest all on here that owned any firearms during the registry period do so.

Speaking personally, I absolutely believe that adding our voice in things like this petition or Michelle Rempel Garner's petition is important as it does two things. The first is it shows us - well truly and them - how many of us there are against such moves by the government.

The second is that I'm hoping that it's another brick in the pack of the RCMP and eventually either they will find the proverbial pack too heavy to lift or Canadians will see that and relieve them of their burden.

Specifically I was heartened to see Surrey going to it's own municipal police force - they being the largest RCMP detachment in Canada - so it does matter to the RCMP in many, many ways - including budgetary.

I was disheartened a few years ago when the great province of Alberta decided to extend the provincial policing contract to the RCMP. I want to say that was a factor influencing BC to do likewise.

Again, having friends and acquaintances in LEO both RCMP and various municipal LE, I'd prefer a more locally run model thanks.

As you likely know, we used to have Alberta and BC Provincial Police and while it wasn't perfect back then, neither was the RCMP policing at the same time.

For sure and certain I am not anti LEO in any way, shape or form - far, FAR from it. What I am concerned about is the distance from my rural BC home to Ottawa and the seemingly increasing disconnect between their reality and my own. How then can they make effective and meaningful decisions regarding our rural needs?

Hopefully that all made some sense. Again it's just an old guy's take on it and not much more.

Interesting times we're in for sure sir, but a sincere wish for all the best to you all regardless.

Dwayne

I signed the petition. We all agree that the long gun registry was a disaster, costing taxpayers a fortune and doing nothing to keep Canadians safe. It would have been a better to distribute the registry budget to local police in order to fund the Guns and Gang units. The RCMP failed in its mandate to competently manage the system and then failed to comply with government directives to destroy the registry. No one will be held accountable, that is the Canadian way.

That’s pretty much as I see it, but I’m just a taxpayer trying to survive this governmental mismanagement. History has a way of repeating itself and now we have gun buy backs and gun bans.

Nick

I am weary of firearms being the political football.
Their logic for any firearm ban makes zero sense, I will not comply, ever.

The ultimate slap in the face to Citizens of Canada is that.....it only applies to some and doesn't/won't apply to others of a different race LOL. If there is a glaring hole in this ideology its here.

The disconnect in this Country is appalling. We are going to need another avenue of approach to deal with gun control as the wimpy writing letters to your MP is simply stupid and ineffective, the tail wags the dog.

I look at any form of gun control similar to a vegetarian trying to ban me from eating meat. These people never existed when our forefathers were building this Country, fighting wars etc....its all new.
If we don't stand up for ourselves we will be defeated by an ideology that is foreign to our way of life.

673;
Top of the morning to you sir, I hope it's a tad warmer up your way than it was here this morning - my garden!!! - and that all else as far as can be is more than less okay.

As a semi-old guy who has been contending with illogical gun control since the very early '80's, I'm 100% with you in the weariness.

That said, I'm not stopping anytime soon, as I believe that I owe it both to my kids and to my ancestors who laid the foundation for the life I've been able to enjoy.

Honestly, I can see that many, many Canadians would be "disinclined to acquiesce" to further restrictions for a multitude of reasons. Part of me, a large part truly, believes that the proverbial "they" have to know this to be the case.

Perhaps that's why Hon. Hangover Bill has labeled us "extremists" already.

To want to be responsible for one's own destiny with minimum government intervention may indeed have become the extreme position it seems?

As you well note too, it's not equally applied law anymore and for sure that's nettlesome. The FN folks I know personally well enough to talk about it for instance seem to be among those Canadians "disinclined to acquiesce" and truly I don't blame them, you know?

The vegetarian thing reminds me of a conversation I had with a niece's buddy up in Salmon Arm one afternoon, where I walked back the origins of her soybean based diet and just how many whitetails were shot in order to grow them. Usually I can let these things slide, but sometimes I'm not able to contain the truth and it just sort of spills out.

Anyways sir, I hope this Mother's Day is a good day for you, even though I'm aware neither of us are mothers in the traditional sense of meaning.

Stay well until next time sir.

Dwayne

Yukon254 I agree with you, Steve’s attitude on this forum section confuses me too. It seems to be one of ownership. I try to skip over a lot of his posts because I find some of his comments to be more negative and confrontation creating than the posts he comments about. I enjoy people sharing their opinions on the topic of the threads. Belittling those opinions just starts the spiral.
Keep sharing people.

You are entitled to your opinion.

If I wished to control the narrative, I would add something to the preamble.

"What I am concerned about is the distance from my rural BC home to Ottawa and the seemingly increasing disconnect between their reality and my own. How then can they make effective and meaningful decisions regarding our rural needs?"

BC30cal hit the nail on the head. Canada is ruled by urban voters who have little or no understanding of life in a rural setting. Gun laws aren't made to be effective but rather to give urban voters the appearance of doing something about gun violence.

If the government was serious about the issue they would not pick off the low hanging fruit, ie. law abiding gun owners, but would take on mental health, societal inequities and a border that leaks like a sieve. BC's gov't rammed through Bill 4, the Gun Violence Protection Act, in March with no consultation with any of the stakeholders. Amongst other silliness, the Bill could spell the end of many rural ranges.

Nice.

Identity politics at work, pitting the legal gun owners against the urban majority non gun owners. The media is hyping the gun violence problem in our metropolitan areas carefully ensuring that its audience believes that all gun owners are the problem. Many urban residents question why one would want to own a firearm. They have never shot a firearm or enjoyed any of the shooting sports and in many cases have an irrational fear of firearms. I believe Jeff Cooper referred to them as hopliphobes (sp.).

The current government is very effective in exploiting this and the opposition party supporting gun rights for legal firearm owners cannot get its message out. Again, the media controls the message. We legal gun owners are facing an uphill battle. I recommend joining a firearms advocacy group such as the CSSA or the CFC if you have not already.

Sorry for straying from the petition.

Nick

Support the CCFR if you're not already.

great post

Thanks for posting the petition btw...

Couldn't help but notice there were only just over 6,000 sigs in 3 days, seems low....
let you're buddies know about the petition.

You're welcome.

We will all benefit.