Looks like Canadian police have arrested the pastor who has been refusing to submit to an unnecessary and unfair law. Good for him.

Let's be clear.

Calgary, Alberta, RCMP officers finally arrested Arthur Pawlowski for holding services where nobody was wearing masks and where nobody was making the slightest effort to practice physical distancing, in accordance with provincial Covid19 laws.

This finally happened after this pastor flagrantly and repeatedly violated Provincial Covid19 laws.

The laws apply equally to all Albertans, businesses, social organizations, and all public places where people gather indoors.

Churches are not being targeted.
The freedom to pray is not being infringed.

In the midst of a global pandemic nobody has a right to endanger human lives by spreading the disease because of a "sovereign citizen" belief that they can do whatever they damn well please.

And right across the border no masks and no social distancing for almost a year and Canada's numbers are higher at least according to their stats. Probably because of Trudeau's incompetent govt again. How many Indians and Chinese flew into Canada this year and did not social distance in the planes? One again Canda's liberal govt is showing its stupidity and incompetence

You seem to be confusing the fundamental right to worship with the "freedom to pray". Worshiping is not synonymous with praying, though prayer can be a form of worship. Worshiping takes difference forms for different people, including gathering in congregations, and here the definition of "worship" matters.

Your last sentence leads me to believe that you are also missing the point of the debate, which is whether the right to be safe is more important than the right to worship. Your opinion is noted, but that position is certainly not unanimously shared by all reasonable, rational citizens.

Further, there is a more fundamental argument about whether the restrictions being imposed due to COVID represent a justified infringement on ANY fundamental rights, given the low morbidity and minor severity of the symptoms caused by the virus in the vast majority of cases.

super T;
Good morning to you sir, I hope the day's looking to be a nice one in your part of the world.

Thanks for bringing this up here, I saw it last night on some news feeds and am attempting to get more background information before making too much comment.

I will say this about that right now however.

When Pastor James Coates was arrested in Edmonton, they had a whole bunch of Edmonton Police Service officers show up to do it. They were asked by some news source as to why it took that many LEO and subsequent cost/time/effort to arrest a pastor with no record whatsoever of violent behavior, they admitted they "wanted to make a statement" with their show of force.

To that I say, not cool EPS, City of Edmonton and Jason Kenny/Government of Alberta.

By the way, the Crown has dropped all charges against Rev. Coates except one. His lawyers requested that as they want him to have his day in court. As far as I know the church remains under lock and key from EPS, City of Edmonton and whomever else has a hand in such things, but Pastor Coates is free now after spending 30 plus days in jail for what the Crown has said were non-jailable offenses.

The video of the Calgary pastor and his brother being arrested showed at least 4 cars and 8 LEO involved and they chose to do it on a busy stretch of highway.

Once again the number of LEO involved, the resources taken up and the place they chose to effect the arrest has me with more questions than answers for sure.

There are those who feel that it's just religious extremists endangering public health and they're still entitled to express that opinion at present. I'd only suggest one needs to be very careful of what we wish for and espouse as sometimes the tables get turned really, REALLY quickly and they won't like similar restrictions placed upon an activity or action they currently enjoy.

If that sounds obtuse, it's meant to encourage the gentle reader to crack a book or three and become educated on human history - nothing more and nothing less.

That's where I am now on that however sir. Thanks again and stay well.

Dwayne

Jordan;
Good morning to you my friend, I hope that all things considered you're all well.

Once again I must say thanks and send sincere kudos for that post. Well done sir.

Very well articulated and thought out.

All the best to you all.

Dwayne

saddlegun:
Good morning sir, I hope the weather's nice in your part of the world, wherever this finds you.

In the video I watched, it was Calgary City Police, not RCMP doing the arrest. It might or might not matter, but they weren't RCMP.

The issue many of us have with this entire beer flu mess is that emphatically the law is not applied equally to all. For the life of me, I can't see that Walmart, Costco, the local casino or any of the local pot sales or BCLDB stores have been affected in any way.

Small shops, bars, cafes and pretty much anything tourism related is toast now here in the south Okanagan.

The churches here are closed, no services - but we can gamble and purchase pot.

I could go on, but my hunch at present is we'll not see anywhere near eye to eye on this subject.

All the best regardless.'

Dwayne

Libs everywhere drink the koolaid and hide. The Scandinavians last fall pushed their study which showed masks are worse for you than no mask. Several other studies including Sanford University just released one showing the same. Just relax and enjoy yourselves and it will be ok. Ed

If we are to follow "the science" then it is puzzling why there is no school in the USA...and in Canada the schools never missed a step. Its clearly not following any science whatsoever.
In Canada, I believe we are simply trying to protect our fragile healthcare infrastructure with over stepping rules.

Thanks, Dwayne. I hope you're also doing well!

I'm honestly shocked and disappointed by how readily Canadians are willing to accept infringements on their rights and freedoms. The old quote by Benjamin Franklin comes to mind, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," and I would add, "and will end up with neither."

We all know our own risk factors, and as reasonable, rational citizens we can decide how many, how often, and which risks we are willing to take. Just as we do with every other bacteria, virus, illness, etc. If you know that you are in a high risk category of getting very sick if you catch COVID (or the flu, or any other illness), you are free to stay away from people as much as possible, wear a mask if you're convinced that they are effective, sanitize your hands every 10 seconds, or to take whatever other measures to protect yourself that you feel necessary. The same goes for everyone else. I suppose you could say that I'm fundamentally libertarian at heart. Of course, maximum individual liberty works best with maximum individual accountability, which implies the requirement for a largely privatized healthcare system where individuals pay the price of the consequences resulting from the risks that they take (whether you are Evel Knievel or just somebody who goes to the grocery store without wearing a mask).

Jordan;
Thanks for the reply and further thoughts.

Again there's nothing you've written that I can disagree with.

I will say that I now hear some of the "talking points" lumping libertarians in with other extremist elements, so we're in the same boat there now as well.

Good company perhaps, no?

I'm with you though all the way sir, accountability has always been a big deal in my personal life and I know in yours as well.

All the best again.

Dwayne

I will never understand how not taking Covid seriously, and endangering the lives of those around you by not following the basics like mask wearing and distancing is even remotely the sort of witness to the broader world Jesus calls his people to... color me simple - I believe His words about stumbling blocks and doing unto others.

Yes churches are being targeted. Its absolutely astounding to me what is going on and so few either dont realize whats going on, or dont care.

A very good friend just returned from a trip to Ont. where she visited her mother. The flight from Vancouver to Toronto was packed solid. Now this lady isnt political at all, but even she mentioned the fact that it makes zero sense to allow so many people into the confines of an airplane but not allow them to go to church. Our Walmart store is packed to the rafters every single weekend. I have no idea how many people fit inside the building but it is a lot. They have been allowed to stay open since the beginning, but the small mom and pop shop down the street were forced to close. We've all seen many of these small business owners on the news. Its almost like a large portion of the population has lost the ability to think rationally. No one with a shred of common sense would buy into some of this nonsense. I've never been to that church but there is no way there would be as many people inside that building as there is in any big box store on any given weekend.

And yet zero arrests last summer during the height of the pandemic in Canada. Look at the social distancing being practiced and the last of masks. Shame! absurdity Of course they are targeting Churches and not hiding it. A large arresting force was used to send a message to Christians in Canada that they will be crushed for practicing their religious freedoms.

Been attending schools here since last August right across the BC border

You miss the point entirely... Christ's Kingdom is not of this world and we're called to a higher standard regardless of the hypocrisy around us...

No you missed it - Nothing to due with religion and Christ. It's an individual rights issue. Just like the violent protests all last summer that were allowed to violate every covid rule and there was no enforcement.NONE. In fact it was encouraged by many politicians on both sides of the border to violate covid health measures and spread the virus during the violent protests.

Selective prosecution.

Wow, just wow...

wonderful response- not surprised you can justify selective outrage and hypocrisy through this entire covid deal, Photos above were taken in Toronto and the Trudeau Govt praised the thousands of protestors for exercising their rights. . No social distancing , very few masks. Non essential activity. Mass spreading event.

20 people go into a building and exercise their individual freedom and the leader is arrested by a large govt police force.


This entire response has been purely political and anti science from the very beginning

Brad;
Good afternoon to you sir, it's been a good long while since we've had an exchange and I hope that you and yours have been more than less okay in the interim.

While you and I might agree on the importance of some aspects of how we'll chose to worship what we've chosen to believe is our God, there's just as many others who will make different choices - and they might not be wrong, you know?

I've seen this in my own family, so can comment on a very personal basis on this topic.

If I choose to wear a mask or not however is moot up here as the churches are closed - and the casinos are not.

In Ontario, when one church tried to have in car services in the parking lot, they were stopped by the local LEO. When the news reporter asked the LEO if the cars could legally be parked in the adjoining parking lot of a grocery store - that was confirmed as fine - but they could not do so 20' over in the church parking lot.

There's lots of examples like this were "the rules" have emphatically not been equally enforced and the governing bodies are really pretty open about the discrepancy.

What you and even I consider a stumbling block for our brother might be seen as not following our calling as servants by another. I get that sir - it's complicated.

For instance I'm not a teatotaller - believing that I can imbibe the occasional alcoholic drink without causing my spiritual brothers and sisters to stumble - but - my flesh and blood brother will not imbibe because of his belief that it might. He has his reasons for that and honestly I respect them and they're as valid as mine. Again this belief thing is complicated.

As I said in my initial post on the subject, I'm trying to read and educate myself on the circumstances of the Calgary church as I do not know if they were distancing or not. In this instance - as in many instances up here - it's damnably difficult to obtain the truth of the situation from any mainstream media source.

Regardless of what we'll chose to agree or disagree on Brad, I do wish you and your family the best.

Dwayne

Dwayne, what is very clear is that the Kingdom that He calls his followers to proclaim is not of this world. God is not political and could care less about my politics or your politics. Jesus died for people, not politics. What the scripture is VERY clear about is that His Good News is proclaimed, and that we ought to "become all things to all men that by all means we might save some." For the church of Jesus Christ this should not be a nationalized/political thing... if we really care about His Kingdom we should ignore the politics of men and proclaim His truth. Remember how Jesus told His disciples to "render to Caesar what is due to Caesar"? There is no recognition of right or wrong there, just that we render to government what is asked because "we are not of this world." Our citizenship is not in Canada or the USA but in Heaven.

But the scripture always runs cross-wise to what we humans think... this thread is a perfect example.

I have no doubt that if they tried that with the pastors at our church they’d need a large response from the jackbooted thugs because the entire congregation would stand with our pastors. Our rural church is full of farmers, ranchers, cowboys and other salt of the earth types. I’d wager that from my observations that at least half the congregation carries. Our local deputies are good guys that I doubt would try such a despicable and anti-American thing as entering a sacred house of worship to arrest pastors preaching to their flock. I’d happily defend my pastors from the mask Nazis.

No police, government thug or agents of the government have any right to enter a house of worship for the purpose of arrest. Church is a sacred sanctuary for all. I’d hope that any government agent that violates that assumes room temperature ASAP.....that includes cops!!!

How many mosques did they storm in the days and years following 9/11? Mosques are off limits but Christian churches are free fire zones?

Brad, with all due respect — I say this kindly and don’t at all mean to say you are not a faithful believer — but your post sounds like the first lecture of the year, on “what Christianity is”, as a professor of religion in a secular university.

In reality, a Christian’s response is just not quite as monolithic as you would make it seem in every circumstance and region; and personally. There are certainly valid differences of opinion and many equally valid questions surrounding the whole pandemic scenario, north or south, and the various regional and federal governments’ responses to it, whether one of overt imposition or of making recommendations but respecting individual rights.

In the context of increasing personal depression, suicides, personal economic loss, and alcoholism; not to mention the intellectual and social loss of the kids in being shut out of schools, it is a very reasonable and faith-led response of Christians to determine that the spiritual needs of their brothers and sisters is greater than their secular powers’ decision to shut them down over an already very dubious disease, which has already raised suspicions of their motivation..

While all of us as true Christians believe all authority is given of God, so do we believe there is a point where the believer’s conscious before God supersedes that governing authority.

To all, for your consideration, here is an interesting blog on this very topic and pastor from AT:

https://www.americanthinker.com/blo...ir_revenge_against_pastor_pawlowski.html

AcesNeights;
Good afternoon to you my friend, I hope the day's bright and clear down in your part of the west and all in your fine family are well.

As far as I am aware, the Edmonton arrest was made outside the church and the Calgary one was made on what appeared to be a fairly busy section of divided highway.

That said, the Calgary pastor involved did have Calgary Police and health officials enter the church at the end of a service previously and he made the news when he quite forcibly ushered them out.

Again to be extremely clear, I do not have all the details or better said many details at all on either situation.

I find it interesting however that many secular journalists and commentators are condemning the actions as overstepping on the part of the 2 Alberta city governments.

These are in many ways truly interesting times Aces and there are a lot of balls in the air up here as well as everywhere I'd imagine. Where they'll land I'm surely not privy to, you know?

As a servant, I'm doing my level best to discern what my part is supposed to be, which as we can ascertain even here, isn't always simple or clear.

All the very best to you folks.

Dwayne

A couple of churches ended up in court here in BC and lost . The judge said yes it was restriction on freedom but necessary. Judges tend to fellow one another. Judges in Canada are fairly independent of politics.

Brad;
Thanks for the reply, I appreciate it.

For sure there's very little in your thoughts that I disagree with.

If we believe that we're just passing through as servants of a Living God, then indeed we're merely strangers in a strange land.

That said, we're each called to serve in different capacities and sometimes that capacity will be a leadership role.

While I have no way of quantifying this Brad, I believe you'd be surprised how non-political many and perhaps even most Canadian churches purposely stay. The denomination I was part of the board on and a member for decades took direct intentional steps to remain that way - which I supported and continue to support by the way.

That all taken into account still does not mean that we'll be called to worship in the same way. Some of us are the "be still and know that I am God" types - the stained glass windows, pews and even a written liturgy sooths us and gives chaotic life order and meaning.

Then some like some friends of mine are more in the "make a joyful noise unto the Lord" camp Brad and so help me it works for them.

In my immediate family I have a Rev. Dr. of Theology who is an honest to goodness Bible scholar - reads Greek and Hebrew, as well as 3 other Reverends. That's only to say that even in that group there isn't 100% agreement on all things.

As I wrote in the thread to Aces, my struggle as a servant believer is trying to figure out what I - me personally today - am supposed to do and honestly that includes attempting to articulate a response in a social media thread.

Again, I appreciate the replies and exchange Brad. All the very best of our Lord's blessings to you and yours.

Dwayne

Dwayne, As always it’s great to hear from you. On a side note...your contributions to the grade school thread were wonderful. Your pictures were a great contribution and really stirred my memory.

Thanks for clearing up some of the finer points. I thought the Calgary incident happened in church. I suppose that while many cops aren’t the brightest bulbs they do possess an uncanny fear that is endemic to their “profession”. That fear is often what they use to justify their actions, at least on my side of the medicine line. 😁. I don’t buy into their fear and I don’t give them a pass for being chickenshit. I know what it’s like to be in their shoes since I did that job. Even when I wore the uniform I criticized the younger cops for using fear as their motivation. I’ve never been shy to tell anyone what I think but I’ve always stayed true to my principles. I suppose as I watched the new batches of recruits filter out of the academy I had enough foresight to know that these “guys” were NOT people I’d associate with so I happily resigned. I wasn’t willing to lower myself to the new standards that have rotted the respect that law enforcement once enjoyed. Being extremely handsome and intelligent (😁) I knew that I’d be just fine. My career as a firefighter/paramedic was much more rewarding and it reaffirmed my disgust for (most) cops. I lost more friends in firefighting than all our police departments combined during that period. I also realized that as the cops embraced fear and cowardice my colleagues in the fire department embraced courage and commitment to their fellow man. I felt closer to God during my years as a FF/paramedic than I’d ever felt as a cop. My shift mates were my family and I was theirs. We rendered help to EVERYONE EQUALLY irrespective of color, social status, etc and that at least felt like what God would want from me. We obviously worked closely with law enforcement on many calls which reinforced to me that I made the right choice for myself.

It stands to reason that they’d wait to execute their plan away from wrath of the parishioners. When you’re going to do something stupid, illegal or unconstitutional it’s best to have as few witnesses as possible, so in that respect the cops have become unusually intelligent when they’re doing wrong, something they no doubt learned from the criminals that they eventually emulated.

I’ve become disgusted and embarrassed by my government and the agents they employ. Over the past year I’ve felt as though I’m living in the twilight zone based on the egregious, illegal actions of my government and their proxies. Like you said....we live in interesting times, which I believe is an indictment and indication of just how far left we’ve strayed.

I generally stay away from the politics of my favorite neighbors since we certainly have our hands full down here. We can’t even vote freely anymore. Our politicians are chosen by the ruling elites, not by the citizens. This covid BS and the overreaction is unfortunately something that we both share which is why I replied. Whenever I see cops abusing their “power” I get mad, no matter whether it’s in Canada or down here. Abuse of power under threat of death is not a hallmark of freedom but until the paradigm shifts it will continue to dominate police departments everywhere.

Sorry for such a downer of a post.

All my best to you my friend.

Aces;
Thanks for the reply and once again the kind words contained in it.

I'm glad you enjoyed the photos and it stirred good memories for you as it did in me.

I'm often amazed at how we can recall a joke and chuckle, a wonderful moment and smile, but don't feel the pain from those times or at least not in the same way.

As I mentioned to Brad and to you too, I'm attempting to discern what my part in this interesting time might be.

Speaking personally, I can say that I've had enough life circumstances take place in my life that I don't believe in coincidences - well Aces they don't really work out mathematically either, you know?.

But all that to say I'm hoping and praying that I'm doing what I'm supposed to do, if that makes sense?

Again thanks for the reply and background in your post and don't give a second thought to the tone of your post. Life isn't all sunny days and smelling the Antelope Brush in full bloom Aces - I suppose if it was then it wouldn't be special when that happens would it?

All the best to you all once again sir.

Dwayne

It is quite simple to spout the same tired old tired and unfounded accusations.

"Oh, you disagree with me, therefore you are a liberal"

"Therefore you drank the kool-aid"

You have no idea who I am or what my politics are.

The truth is that I have been a gun owner and shooter since the early 1970s, and I have never voted liberal or NDP.

It's also easy to make stuff up and claim that it is fact.

Where is your proof?

The right to pray or worship or assemble does not give anyone the right to spread the disease to the general public.

Even if you could assemble, and risk only your own skins, you would still be placing a burden on hospitals and the healthcare system.

Furthermore, if 100 people pack themselves into a church without masks and only one of them is infected with Covid19, then many of those people present will be infected with the virus, and will then spread it to the general public, and in so doing be responsible for needless deaths and incapacitation.

And nobody is saying that you can not pray or worship. The province is however saying that you can't pack people in like sardines without masks in order to slow the spread of the disease.

Also, your claim that it is okay to spread the disease as long as only a minority of those infected die is both un-Christian, selfish, and disgusting.

Over a period of six decades I have watched people claim that nobody has any right to make them do anything if they don't want to. I have watched idiots protest and whine over non-smoking laws in restaurants, mandatory seat belt laws, and mandatory motorcycle helmet laws.

Their mantra is: "I want what I want because I want it, and screw you if you won't let me do it, no matter stupid and selfish and dangerous it is."

So, beach and whine all that you like. You didn't win those fights and you won't win this one.

And thank God for that.

I absolutely know whatcha mean which is why I think I can relate to your posts with such clarity.

You, like me, remember the good times from days long gone and are blessed to focus on them rather than the sad times. I was always blessed and I recognize that. I grew up with a mom and dad that were excellent examples for us kids. We have a big close family still to this day because of the values they imparted, the examples they set, the love they showed and the forgiveness they gave. Even with mom gone now her spirit lives through her surviving children. If I think real hard I can remember the sad times. I remember like it was yesterday finding my little brother dead and the call to mom and dad to please come home right away. The odd thing is that I thanked God for answering my prayers, prayers I’d been asking for years.....that when the time came that he died that I’d be the one to find him. I did not want my parents to have the their final memory of their son to be finding him crumpled and cold. So even in the bad times I was lucky to find peace. I’ve always felt like my relationship with God was a close and personal one, partly because he always seemed to answer my most important prayers.

At 50 I figure I have more sunrises behind me than in front of me, that the sun is lower in my western sky doesn’t worry me because I’ve been blessed beyond my wildest dreams. I will admit though Dwayne that watching our aging parents die is every bit as tough as I imagined it when I was younger but even in the face of such loss I feel blessed to have had them for as long as I have.

My wife grew up with a family that accepted all religions but didn’t practice any except for my MIL who is Buddhist. I use to pray that my wife would eventually work her way to God and my prayers were again answered. She loves going to church and to Bible study with me. Her entire family has found the Good News and for me that’s as good as anything I could’ve hoped for because the time we’ve spent together has been so amazing that eternity together sounds perfect.

Saddle gun, Are you saying that you have a personal right to not get sick?....because you DO NOT! If you live in fear then you should lock yourself up in your house.

Covid like most illnesses generally kill the weak just as it’s intended to do in nature.

You don’t get any guarantees that you won’t get sick and to blame anyone for getting you sick is cowardly. Take some personal responsibility for yourself and quit expecting everyone to cater to the weakest. Illness is meant to weed the weak out of the gene pool. 😉......it’s biology 101.

Well said, sir.

I didn't say that at all. I said that it is debatable whether the restrictions on liberty are justified. Have you ever given someone the Cold, the Flu, or some other "common" sickness? If so, there is a chance that another person got it from them, and died. People die from the Flu just like they die from COVID. Yet we would think it inappropriate for the government to shut society down because people might spread the Flu and a few might die.

My point is that life is full of risks, and if we want to have a free society with individual liberties, then we have to accept the fact that our actions affect others and put them at risk. That's just part of life. You could cause a fatal car accident some day. Are you okay with choosing to drive among your fellow citizens knowing, as you put it, that "only a minority of those...die" as a result of your choice? Would you call that "un-Christian, selfish, and disgusting"?

And BTW, ad-hominem attacks don't do anything to advance your argument. I'm not trying to attack you personally, just discuss the topic at hand.



Don't lump me in with those people. That's never been my attitude in life. In a free society we expect certain individual liberties and accept restrictions on other liberties. A society doesn't work without accepting some limitations. We are not free, for example, to infringe on our neighbours' rights (murder, as an extreme example). So I also reject the notion that individuals can do ANYTHING they want, simply because they want to.

Civil disobedience, I say power to him.

What about the fake protests last summer where there was no social distancing or masks?

I guess only those in the Christian faith violate pandemic restrictions . Your secular bias and anti science , anti christian bigotry is very evident.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/yukon-sikh-gurdwara-first-1.5701308

Anyone who thinks wearing a mask is going to save them from the China flu is an idiot. How the he'll do you keep your hands away from your mouth when wearing a mask?

George;
Good morning to you sir, I hope that all things within your control are going well and that all your family are healthy.

Thanks for posting that link, it's a thought provoking viewpoint for sure.

As I've suggested in a previous post or two, there's a lot of balls in the air or better said forces at play here and it's tough for me to clearly see who is motivating whom many times.

This young fellow is a Montreal lawyer who has a channel I've been watching for some time now as he breaks down cases in the news in such a way that lay folk like myself can wrap my head around it.

He is, I'll hasten to add, self admittedly not religious in any way and honestly not always that right leaning on all topics, but overall he's attempts to be balanced in explaining what the ramifications of the case being discussed might be down the road.

I'll note that there's pretty much always ramifications down the road to anything we do isn't there George? Including sitting by and doing nothing I'd opine.

Anyways, here's David Frei from Montreal.



Thanks again for the morning reading material George and all the best of the Lord's blessings to you and your family.

Dwayne

Very interesting article George. Thats the first time I've seen pictures of the arrest. Unsettling to be sure. Certainly not something I thought I would ever witness in Canada. Hard to imagine those images not shocking a majority of the population. Is the fear really so great the people will let this continue? History is easily forgotten it seems.

A group of Canadian doctors are trying to use science, and the data from it, to dispel some of that fear. I certainly hope they succeed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7vWuIO5Q6Y

I won't call it anti-Christian as much as a question of Christian theology . But a hunting forum is not the place to ague theology.

The specs on the 3Ms N95 differently do filter out droplets. They have found double masking are almost as effective. And with most of us, a mask is an improvement. in our looks. .

I couldn't care less regarding any religious aspects of the debate. Personally, I feel that gathering in any group is not without risk and generally speaking, unless there is a rifle competition involved, I won't do it. Speaking of that, we are not allowed to engage in rifle competition either. Perhaps if we wore BLM hats.
There is little doubt that we are losing the freedom of choice, the freedom to assemble, freedom of speech. We are being coerced into accepting untested "vaccines". In the midst of all of this, we continue to strive to bury our world with our sheer numbers (covid or not, the population continues to grow). I intend to avoid any vaccines and will travel and mingle on my terms. If I catch covid, it probably won't make me all that ill. If it does, oh well. I've taken bigger chances. GD

That is happening here in Canada .............

believable (unfortunately) and beyond sad

Looks like you guys have some communists in this bunch. That or they are quite useful to them. Call it socialism or whatever you wish it has worried me since I learned of your laws against carrying a gun. To me that is a God given right not from the government. We have an active chasm between freedom and our highest government in the US as well. Good luck to you all, Be Well, RZ.

You do realize that two of the largest studies ever done on masks were just published in the last couple of months right?? They were RCT studies too. Interesting to note that RCT are the gold standard when it comes to medical studies. Both studies found the same thing. Masks offer zero protection from covid. If we were really following science mask mandates would have been lifted the day after these studies were published. Thats not going to happen though because this whole mess has nothing to do with science.

100% agree.

Thank you Dwayne. An old pastor (well, he’s still preaching I think) was fond of noting the unpredictability of life: “90% of it is what happens to you, the other 10% is how you respond to it”...and the rightfulness of that is often questionable.

Reminds me of Psalm 92 — “it’s good to give thanks to the lord, for His loving kindness in the morning (for He sustained me through the night) and for His faithfulness in the evening (for He preserved me through the day).”

Quite amusing.

Ah yes, the old oft-repeated standby.

"Everyone who disagrees with me is a pinko commie."

Simple deflection and distraction troll-speak.

RZ is right. Also, Commie's come in all colors, the pinko's being the most offensive. I bet you are popular in Alberta, probably have to put you're groucho marxist nose and glasses on to go outdoors.

The reason kids are still in schools is that the government doesn't have the infrastructure for that much child care and they don't want to foot the bill... so I can't see how they can put minor children at risk and then turn around and arrest an adult in the company of other adults who have voluntarily chosen to accept so level of risk... and the "greater good" argument doesn't wash... we all drive cars at great risk, we can choose to skydive, climb mountains and do any number of high risk pursuits fully accepting the consequences... this situation is more about protecting the accepted and presented storyline.

This is a group that has caught my attention recently.

https://action4canada.com/call-to-action/

Interesting. Havent heard of a lot of those stories until now.

I'm still looking for the scripture which instructs me to compel my fellow man by threat of violence to do or not do things for his own good. It would appear that you are in full support of doing so, citing the teachings of Christ re: stumbling blocks and loving your neighbor. Wow is right.

None have been covered by mainstream media.
There are many fighting nationwide for our rights and most are being condemned for it.

Here is another example.
https://federalinquirer.com/police-officers-take-ontario-government-to-court-over-covid-19-measures/

Wow thats awesome to see some LEOs take the Charter seriously.

Looks like dangerous liberal white supremacists like sadllegun and Brad are the real reason for the necessary crackdowns. At least according to this Muslim mayor in Alberta. Lol. What the hell is going on
Up there? What’s up with all of the anti Christian bigots up there ??

https://globalnews.ca/news/7843813/naheed-nenshi-covid-pandemic-vaccinations/

The anti christian bigotry runs strong in him

That was the most intelligent post you’ve made on this entire thread, dodging the question was your smartest move. Catering to the lowest common denominator has obviously benefited you....LMFAO

Congrats?

I was recently informed from a UofC student that it is now mandatory for all (white??) students to take a “white privilege” course in order to attend.

It’s embarrassing to be human IMO.

The video of the Calgary mayor talking about the mask mandates is just typical liberal nonsense. They make things up to suit their own agenda, and totally ignore real science, like the two largest studies ever done on masks that showed the offer no protection and can cause harm...

Do you have a link for this?

I could not find anything on line about any mandatory "white privilege" course in order to attend.

There are various voluntary courses about racial sensitivity and profiling and such from several sources, but I found nothing about a compulsory University of Calgary course like you describe.

It was only in conversation as they were quite distraught over the matter. As a student they said they have no choice and HAVE to take a course in order to continue to be a student there.

Yes, but this is only hearsay really, and what are perceived as facts often turn out to be simply a rumor.

I am not saying that it isn't true, but without any actual link or evidence to substantiate it, at this point it is not credible.

I can ask them again for better details which we could substantiate next time I speak with them.

If you would like to pursue it further for yourself in the mean time, feel free to contact UofC and inquire.

It's your claim. You should provide the link.

Does not surprise me at all. I see government job postings every day that say " First Nation Hire Preferred." The government is breeding racism.Typical liberal MO. Keep people fighting amongst each other. Divide and conquer. Its gotten so bad up here that its getting harder and harder for local companies to compete because if a company can show some FN ownership they get extra points in the bidding process. Then its standard in contracts now that companies have to agree to a certain amount of FN hires or they get fined for every day they dont have the right number. The last job I was on the number was 20%. It was impossible to reach that number because the company couldnt find enough FN people that wanted a job. So they paid the fines. Just makes things more expensive for all of us. Total insanity IMO.

In the Yukon, that covers almost everyone.

Small insignificant people like saddlegirl won’t look for facts that destroy their sheltered world view. Liberals like her prefer to piss and moan online while ignoring reality. She’d rather you provide everything she needs and then she’ll continue to piss and moan while she continues to ignore reality. 😉

It's possible that such a course is a requirement to graduate with the particular degree that the student in question is pursuing, but it's certainly not a general requirement for all students.

This is how they have separated the Country born Canadians from everyone else. As the FN populace was pulling up their pants and trying to make a better standard for themselves, families, and community, someone comes along and inserts a lower bar for one race over all others. Which is the point of schooling and grant $$$, to make it more equal.

FN have been separated...Patriot's have been separated, and new Canadian's separated. No Patriot's are needed anymore.
FN were/are exempt from Covid restrictions, and there is a sign at the entrance to a reserve near me that says...
"Visitor's are not welcome on band lands during Covid"........

It is the balkanization of Canada, one doesn't have to be very astute to see what is happening, one just needs to take his head out of his azz long enough to see it.
UNDRIP, Treaty process = the end of Canada as we know it.

I have reached out to the student I spoke with to get more detail (and evidence) on that matter. I will update as soon as I am able to.

It would not surprise me that this would be mandatory for all students to take such a course. Similar cases have caught a lot of media attention throughout the US and I believe there’s even a petition out in BC calling for similar mandatory courses in Highschools.

@AcesNeights

Trolling me with childish insults, abuse, false accusations, whining, and wailing doesn't change anything.

The members of this forum are too intelligent to be taken in by silly melodramatic rhetoric.

These are just the standard ploys of distraction, deflection, and defamation that internet trolls love to use because they really have nothing else to say.

You claim that I am ignoring reality, yet Nashville has made a claim that is based on pure hearsay, and NOT reality.

That claim is that The University of Calgary is forcing students to take a compulsory course in "white privilege".

Yet he can not or will not provide a link or a news story to substantiate this claim because he can't, and I can find nothing on-line about it.

That is reality.

If he does in fact have any proof of this allegation, why doesn't he provide it?

I would love to see it, as would the others reading this thread, if any proof exists.

However, right now this is just hearsay from one person (Nashville) that some guy said something.

They got another one.
https://globalnews.ca/video/7867466/covid-19-calgarys-fairview-baptist-church-pastor-arrested/

And people in the community are ‘happy ‘ he was arrested. I am sure many were only too happy to report him.

It’s becoming embarrassing to be a Canadian.

Apparently this has been going on for a while.....and yet not a ‘super spreader’. How dare they think they can worship in a manner of their choosing!

Have to think that the cops are tremendously proud of themselves.

I agree. The 'snitches' might want to consider what happened to the nazi collaborators after WW2.

it is shame that at the beginning of the pademy or whatever we can call that the authority in the yukon blamed one church for the case then never released the flight number or other locations for the next cases and for very long time.

on another note: unfortunately not that much happened to the collaborators of the nazi regimes after ww2 and the bad explanation was they needed all to rebuild ...

we can choose what to do and some had no problems to call the authority to blame your neighbours but some others still think at the whole and of course wont snitch friends and neighbours... we count on all and we need all.