Your Thoughts?

Can own them no doubt, but there actual use is so restrictive why bother?

BWalker is correct. Unless you live within easy driving distance of an official range, not much point in owning a handgun in Canada. I know because I own a few, and no range nearby.

I worked Up north and everyone packed a piece> even the Rcmp turned a blind Eye so dont give me this [bleep]!

Ya Walking around Calgary with a pistal > just like walking around any americian city will get the cops down your back!

I can walk around with a pistol where ever I want both concealed or open. and perfectly legal at that. I can have pistol in my glove box while at work. I also don't
have to tell law enforcement anything other than the fact I have CCW and that's it.

In decades of working in BC, Alberta and Canada's northern territories, following in the pathways of my pioneer ancestors who participated in, among other founding enterprises, "The Klondike Goldrush", I used various guns extensively. The actual work was in government resource agencies and often alone for extended periods in some of Canada's most remote wilderness so a gun really WAS a "tool".

During that time, 1965-1993, I often worked with members of Canada's famed national police force, the "R.C.M.P" and, in fact, worked FOR them, as a "civilian member". One of my uncles was an officer, my mother was a senior administrative employee, one of my cousins spent 20+ years in an admin. capacity and my father also worked for them for a few years.

In all of this, I NEVER repeat NEVER experienced any "Mountie" ignoring breaches of Canadian laws, ESPECIALLY illegal carrying of "restricted weapons" such as handguns. NO RCMP member is going to ...turn a blind eye... to such criminal actions and I do NOT believe the above assertion, it is just bullsh!t!

I post this so that some American will not decide to smuggle in and then pack his "hawglaig" here as YOU WILL NOT enjoy the inevitable contact with the "Queen's Cowboys" and could spend time as a "guest" of Her Majesty.

I must as a responsible Canadian, at this juncture, strongly warn ANYONE that the individual who initiated this and other ludicrous threads here during his short time on "The Fire" is posting false and potentially very problematic "information". DO NOT, believe what he says and DO NOT bring ANY gun to Canada, except the hunting guns that you declare at the border, this is for your OWN good.

I can walk around with a pistol where ever I want both concealed or open. and perfectly legal at that. I can have pistol in my glove box while at work. Ya So can people up north in Canada!

NO RCMP member is going to ...turn a blind eye... Well Good for you!> but its not what I have seen and talked to a lot of people. Anyone that has been in upper Canada for some Time carries a piece !~

Kut> the Rcmp> always turn a blind Eye to the Indians> so dont give me this [bleep]!

I live 5 minutes from the range. I don't mind jumping through the hoops. Got a couple that I really enjoy/

bcd;
I think that it's likely raining over in Boundary country too tonight and is supposed to be all weekend.

I also think that if it rains and is windy like last weekend then it's likely less likely that one can call elk with any success.

Like Brother Keith we live within 10 minutes of a certified range and as I've owned at least one "restricted" firearm since I was 18 then I know of what I speak and don't "guess" or "think" much about Canadian firearm law - mostly I know......

Good luck in your hunts bcd - if you do hunt ever that is - the last time I was up the White Swan was about '88 if memory serves and most days it doesn't anymore.

It was wild and lovely to look upon back then and I imagine there's still some views worth looking at today.

Have a good weekend bcd and try to stay dry.

Regards,
Dwayne

I knew you guys could own them, but usage is too limited. It would be nice for instance if you could be packing a good 22 reolver when you are big game hunting. You see a tasty ruffed grouse and bang it with your 22 and not your .338.

There are provisions for carry if duly licensed when trapping or prospecting. Proof of traing and actual need are necessary. Do not confuse this with hunting or plinking. Permit must be carried and produced upon request. It is a privelige and not a right and is controled.

I lived a lot of my adult life working with first nations people and police officers patroling the North. I have never witnessed a blatant disregard for firearms law by law enforcement in all those years. I no longer maintain a permit for wilderness use as I no longer would qualify. In faact I turned it in and had it recinded my last day of prospecting.

BCD does not represent anyone but himself. Do not trust any advice given by him in this matter.

Randy

I own restricted firearms but would have no interest to use them for hunting and would never bother packing in the city even if I could. Don't see any point to it.

TZ, I usually carry a 22 revolver when I am big game hunting. I have smacked a carload of grouse,rabbit and grey skwerls with it and had nice camp dinners as a result. I do some handgun hunting, but I like the 22 for doing what a 22 does best. Taking small stuff without unduly disturbing the area. Never saw any critter that spooked at the "pop" of a gun going off in the area. Useful piece of gear.

BCD is a moron. As soon as the word RCMP is printed on this site it will be instantly monitored. Yes we are spyed on all the time. BCD shouldn't be surprised if the RCMP come knocking on his door and lose his pistol. I really don't believe he owns one other than the one between his legs.

The guy certainly is entertaining if one has absolutely nothing else productive to do during one's day!!
But yes, he is an idjuit of he thinks whatever he posts does not go unnoticed by either CSIS or Homeland Security....
Cat

Bc30. yes Hunting is good from baldy to Christina Lake> the best of lower canada!Enjoy> PS> still swimming in the Kettel but cold!

Elk > moose {2POINT}white tail Mule deer and a long season to BOOT!OK>BOUND>The best place to hunt.

So how did Canada become pistol phobic? Just asking...

Liberal Politicians lied to us for too many years.

idahoguy101;
If I were to give you an educated guess as a student of Canadian history, I'd suggest the following.

Up until after WWII Canada considered herself very much a British country - there were debates on the national radio where then Prime Minister John Diefenbaker defended our present and future "Britishness" for lack of a better term.

So it was a natural step that as Britain disarmed her citizens and went away from the carrying of handguns by almost everyone that we'd follow suit.

I'd suggest further that we likely thought it was a sign of our maturity as a country that, like Britain we were "civilized" enough to not need nasty handguns anymore.

Now no doubt as Brother Keith suggests there was an active push from the Liberal and liberal left to have our population as a whole swallow this bit of faulty logic.

We didn't bring the British North America Act home to Canada and write our own constitution until 1982 - when the ultra Liberal/liberal Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau was in power and there was no way that under his evil power that commoners would be granted such a luxury as defending our own lives - much less do so with the ultimate symbol of uncivilized nations - a handgun.

Anyway sir, as you can tell this is a short version of events and as you can also tell it's a bit of a sticking point with me personally - growing up in the west where we had no political representation west of Winnipeg for decades we rightfully felt left out of the process most of the time.

Hopefully that was some use to you or someone else out there in cyber history class tonight.

I'd welcome correction or debate on my admittedly right wing memory of events too if any are so inclined.

Regards,
Dwayne

wabigoon;


Yep!

Dwayne

Trudeau is the worst four lettered word in the English language!

I had mentioned on here that he wasn't to popular on this side of the border also, at least with the crowd I hang with. The reason right, or wrong was that he had a rep. as being to close to the Jane Fonda, Hollywood types. That didn't sit to well with the redneck crowd.

I WAS going to keep out of this discussion,however, some of what our good friend, Dwayne, has posted are NOT the facts concerning handguns here in Canada. Further comments concerning Pierre Trudeau and his supposed activities/influence posted by some others are also simply wrong and perhaps some REAL history is in order here.

I will preface my points by stating, my actual direct family ancestors fought the French here in Canada, from the coming of Sir William Alexander in 162ish to the final, magnificent and righteous BRITISH, NOT "multicultural" victory on "The Plains of Abraham", Sept. 1759.

I do NOT "hate" Quebec francophones as so many western Canadians do, but, I hated Trudeau's draftdodging, cowardly, effete and effeminate guts and still do. He was a simply vile little man and a disgusting travesty of a PM as have been most of his successors, including his admirer and current holder of that office, Harper.

John Diefenbaker, WAS "pro" British, BUT, he was also the guy who sold us out with the changes to immigration policy in 1962, that started the flood of these bloody "skins" who have polluted Canada since then. He also was NOT "pro" gun and Trudeau, who admired "Dief", simply extended the foul lie of "multiculti" and extended the foolish immigration laws that "The Chief" had started.

The harsh and totally needless restrictions on handguns, were NOT enacted by a Liberal, they WERE put in place by a CONSERVATIVE, another of the worst PMs in Canada's history. This, was in response to an AMERICAN social issue, involving the American Nazi-lover, Henry Ford, whose manufacturing plant at Dearborne, MI., was closed by a very ugly strike.There, was a horror of supposed "Bolsheviks" among the essentially fascist "captains of industry" from "The Great War" to "WWII" and MOST of them WERE quite pro-Nazi.

So, the Conservative government of a former C.P.R. lawyer, Richard Bedford Bennett, aka "Iron Heel", for his brutal use of R.C.M.P. thugs and other police goons to "strike break" and suppress peaceful demonstrations of decent, unemployed Canadians, many of them wounded and decorated veterans of "WWI", used this opportunity to restrict the use and ownership of handguns by average Canadians.

Much later, AFTER Trudeau, the single most foul PM in all of our history, Martin, "Lyin' Brian" Mulroney, who sold us out in NAFTA, used the social unrest of recent times to enact MUCH tougher laws on ALL guns and, again, HE was a CONSERVATIVE.

His female successor, Kim Campbell, "Kimbo the Bimbo" gladly took this, which, she as scum-Mulphoney's "Justice Minister" ( BOY, THERE is irony) much further and was about to probably ban handguns until her electoral defeat by the extremely "anti" Jean Chretien, and we know, sadly, what THAT little "peasoup" was all about.

So, all the fulminations about Trudeau, aside, gentlemen, he was NOT the real instigator of the most repressive gun laws here in Canada; that, has always been CONSERVATIVES, "big business" azzkissers and vermin who clutched their Bibles while pigs in uniforms clubbed, among other fine Canadians, winners of the "Victoria Cross".

Anyone, who deludes themselves into thinking that the current Bible-thumping, two-faced little fascist who now is PM will be a supporter in a REAL sense of Canadian "gun freedom" should really stop smokin' that sch!t and LOOK at his actual record on gun issues.

This creep, wants us to be totally at the mercy of a government of "big business" azzwipes and he has,is and will sell out this country to even the phuqing Chinamen, so, that his kind can become obscenely wealthy and to hell with most Canadians.

The Liberals, NDP and Greens are NO better and we NEED to become MUCH more active and aggressive in a non-violent way, as "Gays" have done in the past 30ish years to protect and restore our rights....but, I doubt that this will happen.

Anyway, no offence, Dwayne, we all hated Trudeau,but, the slimy "Tories" have been our enemies since that strike, etc, in 1932, when "registration" was enacted here in response to the above. Funny, ain't it, how hunting and private gun ownership were/are vilified by so many Canadian politicians since WWI and also by this guy in Europe at the time, some character, a vegetarian, "AH"................

Is that kinda like a "Mall Cop?"

Nope, because a mall cop has the powers of arrest as an owner of property "or his designee" and civilians whether working for a police force or not have only a citizens powers of arrest -- the same as any other person.

The janitor at our detachment is called a "civilian member."

One thing worth note for American posters. The Conservative party in Canada is like liberal democrats here, the liberal party is similar to the most left wing Democrats in the states and the NDP is sort of to the left of the latter.

BTW Henry Ford was a vocal anti Semite, but I dont think he had any affiliation with the Nazi Party.

BWalker,

Henry Ford was a lot of things. Antisemite being one. He was not a Nazi sympathizer. As a very elderly man, his friends reported that after viewing footage of the German death camps, Ford had a series of Strokes. Ford despised Jews, but had enough morality to never associate himself with anything Nazi.

In 1920 Henry Ford distributed a series of 81 articles in his newspaper, the Dearborn Independent, which focused on the "corruption" of Jews in American life. When "fighting filth," one of the articles professed, the "fight carries you straight to the Jewish camp." The filth referred to was the American cinema. The articles were reprinted in Germany and became widely read. In the same year Ford began financing the little known Adolf Hitler's anti-Jew, nationalist movement in Munich. It was Ford's funds (reported to be as high as $70,000) that helped finance Hitler's failed Bavarian rebellion in Munich. During Hitler's trial it was discovered that Ford's associates came in contact with Hitler's mentor Dietrich Eckart while trying to sell Germany tractors. Eckart asked for financial aid and got it almost immediately from Ford. Four days following Hitler's release from Landsberg prison, he stayed at the home of a wealthy friend where he received a new copy of Mein Leben und Werk (My Life and Work) by Henry Ford, a book he would revere and read carefully.

Exactly, ANY of the various individuals, who do the administrative and support work that the actual "LEO" members of the R.C.M.P. require to function are known as "civilian members" and this may include as the above poster indicates a janitor, or, it may be a pilot or perhaps a specialist in a number of areas, telecom/radio, whatever.

In many of the small settlements where both my wife and I worked, the RNs, which is how she started her career and the "forest service" personnel, are often recruited for various "part time" or "on call" positions and both she and I, separately, worked for the "Mounties" in this capacity. Decent pay, but, THE MOST boring job I have EVER done!

How the hell did we move from handguns in Canada to Henry Ford and Nazis?

I have two HG. They are tons of fun. And I've helped turn at least three people into handgun owners as well. The more the merrier.

I stand corrected. It appears as Kutenay was correct. Both Ford and GM were in bed with the Nazi's.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/daily/nov98/nazicars30.htm

kutenay;
I trust that this finds you and yours well and you're staying at least moderately dry and out of the wind. We're experiencing the wettest and perhaps windiest summer/fall that I can recall.

There is of course sir absolutely no offense taken by me with your post.

My response was admittedly a too brief overview and only my take on the matter.

I can't find fault with most of what you've posted kutenay - certainly not with your historical sequences of events in particular.

My distrust with both/all political parties here in Canada runs as deep as yours does and in my view as well they've both sold gun owners and hunters down the proverbial river time and again.

Anyway kutenay do try to stay dry, all the best to you folks and good luck on your hunts this fall.

Dwayne

RCMP have been the most powerful influence of gun control-doesn't matter which government was in power. Usually the weakest political party would fold under that pressure.

i'm not sure what the purpose of this thread is. but canadians, with the proper permit(wilderness ATC's) can and do carry handguns. the permitting process is not that difficult. FYI

Welcome to the fracas called, "The 24hourcampfire". wearing your flack jacket?

am i in deep

braggadoe;
Welcome to the 'Fire from the south Okanagan.

I know a couple guides over on this side of the big hills that have been granted a wilderness ATC, but they don't seem to be issuing any for "regular folks" who'd like to be more bear proof.

That said, a few years back they didn't even let the guides pack one, so in that light we're making some progress.

All the best to you this fall on your hunts and again welcome to the 'Fire.

Dwayne

THAT, IMO, is BULLSH!T, as most of these "guides" I have met are 20ish year old kids, who know jacksh!t about guns and are really just there to do the "scut work" for the outfitters.

The "trophies" are NOT located by the traditional skills of leather-faced, silent, rugged "mountain men", they are spotted by aircraft and then the locations often transmitted to the "guide" by "walkie-talkie", which everyone now carries.

I have been asked to "guide" several times, but, just detest the very idea and would sooner work in other "bush" jobs.

I KNOW SOME really skilled and genuine "mountain men" guides here in BC, they are NOT kids in huge hats, funny-looking, fringed "chinks" and who gag at the ubiquitous "chew" that they seem to think makes them look like a REAL bushman....but, these are few and most current "guides" are kids from the Prairies,who are hired because they will not be able to bring their buddies to the outfitter's hot spots and thus whack a ram worth 35K to said outfitter.

So, I see NO reason why some kid from "East Perogy" SK, should be allowed to carry HIS .44, when someone like me cannot. But, while this WAS illegal in the days of small,"family outfits" when most normal people could afford a Stone's Sheep hunt, now it is BIG bux, BIG business and "money talks", so, the government minions listen, eh.....

Plane spotting game is legal in BC?

BWalker;
Top of the morning to you sir, I hope this finds you doing acceptably well on this cool October day.

I'll try to find the correct chapter and verse tonight after supper to get your answer directly from the synopsis.

There is a restriction regarding hunting the same day as flying in a helicopter and - IF - memory serves there is some discussion about communication devices too.

With all the advances in technology it's an arduous task for any game department to keep up with legislation I'd think.

Then too our land mass is considerably large and comparatively unpopulated in the best hunting areas, so enforcement will be tough at best.

As kutenay has mentioned, when the visiting hunter has ponied up $25 - $35K to hunt, there can be a lot of expectations attached.

Oh, I don't disagree with kutenay either that it's fine for a young guide to protect himself with a revolver, but not OK for an "average Joe hiker/hunter" to do so.

The reason I consider it an improvement is that it might represent a toe into the doorway for us "average Dwayne's".

Hey, I can dream can't I?

All the best to you sir.

Regards,
Dwayne

a handgun thread goes to history/politics of canada, to over priced hunting trips, pretty funny!


it's a workplace safety issue. doesn't matter if your a guide,trapper,rancher,surveyor,beekeeper,miner,timber cruiser,ect,ect.

if you work in the bush. and get the permit/proficiency test completed. no problem.

amazing how many canadians don't understand canadian gun laws.

Interesting link... What was revealed in Court and what were the results of the lawsuits?

I agree a 22 is probably the most useful handgun and perhaps the one i would consider taking hunting if i was able.

Well, that shows a more realistic view of this issue than some of the nonsense posted here. I USED to, 45 years ago, carry the first of the two S&W K-22 Masterpiece revolvers I have owned, have another now, to shoot Grouse and did so with considerable success.

Most of my extensive experience, 55+ years with guns has been with rifles, but, I have owned some fine handguns, starting 45+ years ago and also some superb and costly shotguns. I have taken professional training to carry in a former occupation, but, chose another path at the time and so have only carried the .44 I had for some 20 years, quietly, as many of my former colleagues also did.

For MOST people, the whole idea of carrying ANY handgun to "defend" oneself against marauding wildlife is simply "Hollywood fantasy". I have probably spent as much or more time living, alone, without breaks, in remote wilderness and Grizzly country as anyone here and I would NEVER choose ANY handgun for "defence" unless it was all I could obtain.

Actually, most people are wasting energy packing ANY gun for "defence" against bears, etc, because most cannot shoot well and quickly enough in any ACTUAL attack. I love guns, have for over 60 years and I have a collection, even after serious "culling" that most gun nuts would go bonkers over, BUT, I almost never carry a gun when not actually hunting and I have done many week long solo backpacks in some of Canada's most densely populated Grizzly country.

So, I think that the potentially most effective approach to our getting the recognition of our BIRTH RIGHT to use a .22 pistol for hunting small game and upland birds would BE to STRESS THIS as the "reason" that any decent government SHOULD allow carrying for this purpose and then, slowly, build on that.

But, I think that those total slut-fembos, Wendy and Heidi, have done their evil work SO well and like the vile lies of "multicultural Canada" and "Canada's armed forces have always been for peacekeeping", most voters are convinced that handguns are evil, so, our chances are pretty slim.......

Actually that isn't quite accurate at the moment. Our current Conservative gov is more "right" than either of the Bush admins and continues to move in that direction. Obama's admin makes our commie NDP look like Margret Thatcher. You need Rand Paul next election.

You have to forgive us for the likes of Chretien, Bieber, bdc and Kute. They are truly anomalies, but like too much salt they add flavor. Kute can't even identify a Bible Thumper properly, of which I can attest Harper is not.

No it isn't and again, excuse him. He sits in Van chewing his cudd in frustration about what he imagined the old days were and though he can be a fount of useful knowledge at times, he lacks the common sense to stop talking when it comes to opinion over fact.
I know a couple wilderness outfitters that Kute's offensively calling out for doing nothing, and a couple of the "Perogy's" that work for them. They are good hard working folks that stick their nose to the grind and giver. Unfortunately sometimes we have to look to the hard working prairies for folks to do hard jobs in this province because the political climate and attitude of the locals is too entitled to work. Its a shame, and so is he sometimes with the racist rhetoric.

Laffin' here, how amusing.

It isn't funny when you've tried to be an employer in this province. How much time have you spent in these areas that have people floating around the sky calling out sheep to grounded guides? By your own bellyaching not much. I'm the one laughing; you paint with a broad and indiscriminate brush too often.

I was an employer here in my native province when you were in Pampers and spent much of my working life in supervision and management, retiring at 55 in 2001. I have recently, as posted last year here, been offered such work in BC, (northern and Kootenays), The Yukon, outside of Watson and Alberta.

I have spent many months, living and working all alone, in the major hunting areas of BC, in the bush, often 100+ miles from any human habitation. I did such work from 1965 to 1993 and have been repeatedly phoned and asked if I would return.

You? Well, as I said, your illiterate rants concerning people and issues that are simply beyond your limited mental capacity to comprehend just amuse me. I bear you no ill will, you are what you are and much like a cockroach, are just a minor irritant best laughed at and then ignored.

and spent much of my working life in supervision and management

I have spent many months, living and working all alone, in the major hunting areas of BC, in the bush, often 100+ miles from any human habitation. I did such work from 1965 to 1993

Curious...what kind of job you had where working alone made you management & supervisor

Don't be obtuse, you know very well those two sentences are not joined, or are you trying to say that a man cannot work in different jobs throughout his working life.

handguns have been saving people from dangerous critters around the world for a long long time. and it continues to this day, even in canada. if you don't agree with legally defending your life with a handgun. good for you.

it's happening,get over it!

This forum, sadly, attracts a number of the ...obtuse... and also the illiterate.

It is a result of the serious decline in the quality of our public education system and one sees it in even "post-grad" professionals while the illiteracy, innumeracy and total lack of even basic Commonwealth and World history is actually "scary" when you consider the advances in these endeavours of the "Asian Tigers".

The great and all too prophetic Amer-Anglo, 20thC. poet, Thomas Stearns Eliot, wrote, ...this is the way the world ends/not with a bang, but a whimper...

Lines, so appropo to the forgoing.........

Directing that at me are we...right then, I do not need some jumped up piece of f_cking [bleep] to tell me what to think or do, those of us that are on these fora are here because we are shooters and use firearms regularly...some of us used then for a number of years to earn our livelihood.

Now f_ck off and preach to the unconverted you filthy mongrel dill.

Amended to;

Sir, I believe that more than a few of us that frequent these fora are experienced riflemen and hunters, and as such we do not appreciate being preached at, particularly as we are already in the pro firearms corner.

Have a nice day.

"braggadoe", perhaps, in your "wisdom", you might post details of your multi-decade experience working around ...dangerous critters around the world... and thus inform of us of all YOUR defences against even one species so considered, the Grizzlies of Canada?

What is the extent of your PROFESSIONAL combat or handgun defence training and how many years HAVE you carried?

What is YOUR choice as a defensive handgun for Canada's very few even potentially dangerous animals and just how many times have you had to draw in actual self defence----in the BUSH, not in your "Cowboy Action" kiddie's fantasy games.

What are your chosen "carrying" handloads, you DO make these up yourself and go you prefer a .44. .45 or as some I used to know did, a .357M stoked with 180HC, this due to arthritis in their hands?

So, please enlighten us as I always prefer to "learn" from REAL experts rather than use 50ish years of active experience with this topic to form my opinions from.

I am going to buy my next "carry" handgun for my Christmas gift to myself as I sold my Redhawk 5.5" sts .44M....hell for strong, accurate with loads that no Smith could handle, but, TOO HEAVY to carry all day in the mountains....so, a 4.2" Mod. 629 with 250 HCs over 20ish-H-110 it will be.

I just got 500 Starline cases and need to do a load for the old,customized Marlin 336-.44M. that my brothers and I have packed in the bush, while working, since I bought it at age 21. This old piece cuts bullet holes with it's XS sights and my handloads and is my "truck gun" all year long.

Bloody heck Dewey...you are much more polite than I, I should take a leaf out of your book.

Nah, your characteristic Aussie candour and typical "Hielander" blunt speech is what we need to counteract the torrent of bullsh!t posted on this topic.

When, the usual suspects cannot, as is so often the case, debate calmly and with facts, they invariably post "ad hominem" slurs, try to "cherrypick" and thus make it seem as though another poster has said something quite different from his original comments and will essentially behave like spoiled, pre-pubescent punks with their first "stroke mag".....

BTW, WTF, is a ...filthy mongrel dill... sounds pretty grim, maybe some sticking the "Johnson" where one can get, "the bug in the bush?"

A dill is an idiot or a fool.

I'm going to remember "dill." It could be very useful for general Campfire use....

A lot of our profanity slips past the spell check.

wasn't trying to be a dick,or preach. just pointing out the facts, in regards to handguns(ATC"S) in canada.

certainly not going to argue with keyboard warriors/internet heros about who has more outdoor experience. carry on.

GFY, Troll.

Too funny Kute. With all your accomplishments you're reduced to name calling and beating your own drum on a website where you live in some obscure anonymity. Infamy is all you have gained here unfortunately and it will stay that way. Your fire is fading with a legacy repeating "bigot and braggart" that will die off with a "puft" as the last shovel off dirt hits 6 feet over your remains. And I care that you call me a cockroach? Meh.....I think the Aussie said it well: dill.

Yes> maybe not in Amewrica but in Canada there is still the wild wild West! http://youtu.be/v8W9uvhdFZY

braggadoe;
With respect sir and I do mean that, while I understand that your experience has been that the permitting process is not that difficult, that has not been my experience here in the Okanagan or in BC in general.

When I was an active PAL Instructor/Examiner - I've taken some time off PAL but still instruct/examine for the provincial CORE course - I had a class one Saturday where there were 6-8 folks from the logging industry taking the course.

During the first break they all had some "pesky BC black bear" stories to share that were both humorous and sobering at the same time. At least 3 of them had gone to talk to the local RCMP Detachment Sgt. and were told "NO" on a request for an ATC of a restricted firearm.

In that Sgt's opinion there were no effective handgun cartridges and or operators of said handguns fit to defend themselves against bears - that was that.

The fascinating thing about Canadian firearms law if you get around a bit or talk to various branches of LE is that there is a wide latitude of how the law is interpreted and enforced. This varies both with physical location and LE Agency involved.

So for instance while the RCMP in semi-rural Oliver or even Penticton will hardly raise an eyebrow to a rifle or shotgun in the open - especially now in fall hunting season - in Kelowna you might get a much different response.

Here's a video and update on the incident I'm referring to.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/1...uddy-tavares-guilty-video_n_2247720.html

I also base this opinion on speaking with friends and coworkers who are or were in Abbottsford, Vancouver, Calgary and Edomonton PDs.

That you have found the process to be seamless and streamlined is great to hear as it means there is progress being made somewhere in Canada.

My point, though admittedly poorly made the first time, is that a Firearms Officer somewhere is going to either grant or deny any ATC application based upon a number of factors - the law being only one of them.

Anyway sir, I wish it wasn't that way or better said I wish that wasn't my experience, but wishing doesn't change what my experience has in fact been.

Hopefully that makes some sense to you or someone out there.

All the best to you in the upcoming week and good luck on your hunts this fall if you hunt.

Regards,
Dwayne

Even Alaska is not the wild >wild west> did you read the feds raiding a little gold spot in Alaska!> and putting it into line!Yes> maybe not in Amewrica but in Canada there is still the wild wild West! http://youtu.be/v8W9uvhdFZY

bcd;
I had not read that as yet, no.

Is it hot in the Boundary country this afternoon too?

I was up the hill looking for a mulie buck this morning but returned with the pickup only loaded with larch and fir.

We're not seeing many mulies above the valley floor this fall somehow and keep seeing pesky whitetails where the mulies are supposed to be.

The elk seem to have quite talking to me here too - just when I was hoping it'd cool off enough to get them moving a bit during the day.

Ahhh, life in the sunny southern interior, no?

Have a good week bcd, I'm going to slide up the mountain for an evening run and see if a 2 point mulie would like to accept my invitation to dinner now.

Regards,
Dwayne

In America >the feds Will Just Kill You!Enjoy.

local rcmp don't have a say in the decision. it's done at a provincial level(CFO).

had no problem obtaining it for my RFMA. and yes it has saved my life.

braggadoe;
Thanks for the clarification on whose jurisdiction is responsible.

While I knew it was a provincial CFO who made the final decision I was somehow under the impression that local LE had input still.

It certainly was that way 10-15 years back or that was my understanding anyway.

I'm glad to hear it worked out for you though - better to have and not need than to need and not have - as they say.

Well I'm off for an evening run to see if I can invite a little mulie buck home for supper.

All the best to you in the upcoming week braggadoe.

Regards,
Dwayne

The RCMP have a VERY considerable "say" in ALL aspects of firearm law here in Canada, as the legislation in question IS "federal" and is only administered through provincial authorities.

Each province has some autonomy, true, BUT, as shown by the envelopes in which our registration permits arrive, the "Queen's Cowboys" STILL control guns in Canada.

So, my experience is much like Dwayne's and many guys I have spoken with in the past few years, since Harper, came to power, have also been turned down for an ATC for "work". There does not appear to be any real consistency to it as there was a wildlife photographer near my hometown of Nelson, BC, who HAS one and carried a Smith .44, with which he scared an approaching Grizzly and this was on video to the great dismay of divers local "greenies". Hilarious!

I think that the entire issue is is just another distraction so that the process of total disarmament of Canadians can continue. Anyone, who really trusts and believes Harper, in this is, well, lets just be cool and say "deluded", eh.

Andrew, I did not call you a cockroach, merely used an analogy and, as to my demise, wellll, sonny, your imagination in that and most other respects is as faulty as your grammar and as foolish as your "religious" bigoted superstitions.

SOME, "Christian" eh, with the consummate arrogance to call all other ...men desperately evil and wicked....

Now, enough of your lies and stupidity, time for "Ignore".

I'm going to apologize for even engaging you again Dewey. Its not worth it in the end, and only encourages you to dig deeper. Your demise will be no different from the rest of us and your name will only be remembered on a rock after a generation. My sigline includes me, and I am grateful for that, and maybe one day you'll see it includes you too. I have no religion, just faith. And that faith is in one who was not a bigot, but a walking example of ultimate humility and sacrifice. All I do is filthy rags in comparison and what I have accomplished here is an example.

man are you ignorant...I am 100% positive you aren't a good representative for Canadians...I am gonna bet you are larry root