I’m probably wrong, but thought both of JOC’s 270’s were Fwts.
I suppose that rifle could have been owned by JOC, but I doubt it. It has some features that he was not enamored with. It is certainly not one of his famous pair, i.e. the "No. 1 and No. 2". The number 1 started off as a standard weight, which Beisen turned down the barrel to approximate FW contour, the number 2 was purchased as a FW.
I suppose that rifle could have been owned by JOC, but I doubt it. It has some features that he was not enamored with. It is certainly not one of his famous pair, i.e. the "No. 1 and No. 2". The number 1 started off as a standard weight, which Beisen turned down the barrel to approximate FW contour, the number 2 was purchased as a FW.
Yep, that’s it.
From the ad he is trying to make it sound like it's number 2 which it is not.
Exquisite collector's rifle, this model 70 is chambered in 270 win and bedded in AAA grade walnut stock with fleur-d-leis checkering pattern. The action has special engraving including a checkered bolt release, a checkered bolt handle, and a jeweled bolt.
This rifle was owned by Jack O'Connor and he wrot about it many times.
The No. 2 is still owned by the O'Connor family and is on display at the Heritage Center in Lewiston, ID.
There is a Sako 222 REM on GB that once belonged to JOC
I emailed the seller earlier today asking him exactly where O'Connor wrote about the rifle and if he was under the impression that this was either the #1 or #2.
No response thus far.
I doubt a rifle owned by JOC would be in that pristine condition, he used his rifles under all kinds of conditions. Therefor "owned" perhaps, used more than probably not.
What is the provenance ? What proof is there that it was JOC's.
I seem to recall this one popped up for sale a while back and was highly doubted then. It was in a different stock at that time. I might be wrong but I remember there was something hokey with it.
Isn't #1 owned by a family friend? I'm not currently in front of my library but I seem to recall a story in The Lost Classics (?) about #1.
No. 1 was sold to family friend Henry Kaufman, along with several other guns. I am not sure if Mr. Kaufman is still alive, as I vaguely recall some notice of his passing, but I could be wrong.
I recall reading that # 1 had stith mounts - but who knows.
I suspect if this rifle had provenance it would be priced higher - or already sold.
We're a generation (or less) away from the new shooters not knowing or caring who JOC was.
yes Fireball, very true, that's why my 3 kids were all raised on pre 64 M70's, model 70's are all they have, all they know.
Both the No.1 and No.2 had straight combs. The seller on GI is... let's say, confused. I am not surprised that Doug has not had a response to his enquiry.
It does appear to be a legitimate Biesen, any thoughts of fair market value?
It does appear to be a legitimate Biesen, any thoughts of fair market value?
5s. I think the rubber pad, while functional, probably hurts.
There are currently two Biesens on gunbroker both of which Roger had a hand in building.
One in .270, the other an '06.
I'd bid on either one of those 1st. And I may.
Still no reply.