I purchased this rifle today at a local estate auction. It’s very clean but has rubber pad with correct LOP. This is very unfortunate because I really like the inletted factory steel butt plate these rifles came with. Which pad can I put on this Gun to make the best of the situation? I’m thinking of a red rubber Winchester Repro pad?? What are your suggestions?





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The repro red rubber Winchester pad would be a vast improvement over that ventilated monstrosity.

Can I find one of the proper thickness so that I can maintain proper LOP?

There is only one company on the planet currently making repro Winchester pads (Galazan) and as with the origionals , the solid pads come in one thickness- .95"

What is the length from the wood line at the butt to the trigger?

Winchester leverguns had shorter factory LOPs than most people think- usually 13" to 13.25"

From trigger to wood line is 12-1/4"
This pad is 3/4"

So I suppose I can get this done with a repro .95" pad and possibly NO or a very thin black spacer?

Try flea bay for an original butt stock. Sometimes they come up for sale. And yes, that's a beautiful carbine despite the pad .

Ok, my next question is, who do I get to install this new pad? I realize that this is not rocket science, but I have seen so many botched pad jobs I don't want to trust this to just anyone. Is there someone who has an excellent reputation that I can know will get this right?

I'd go with a red Pachmayr decelerator pad, size medium. I have had both those and the Galazan pads and prefer the Decelerator for actual use.

There is a standard butt stock in flea bay for 150 uncut. Would need checkering and sling attachment

Pharmvet,
I think you are just fine with the LOP in terms of fitting a repro Winvhester pad. That will put you right at 13.2" + Which is in the range of a factory rifle.

The Repro pads cost a bit more than a Pachmayr about $50 shipped. Have one installed RIGHT and then leave it be, IMHO.

As fars as recoil goes- its a 30-30- not a .375 H&H.. i think the repro pad will work just dandy.

Pharmvet,
I think you are just fine with the LOP in terms of fitting a repro Winvhester pad. That will put you right at 13.2" + Which is in the range of a factory rifle.

The Repro pads cost a bit more than a Pachmayr about $50 shipped. Have one installed RIGHT and then leave it be, IMHO.

As fars as recoil goes- its a 30-30- not a .375 H&H.. i think the repro pad will work just dandy.

As to installation- labor alone for a proper job is $60 to $75 grind and fit the pad.. I would order the pad from Brownells and then take the buttstock off the gun and send it and the pad to Ahlmans in Minnesota. Have them install it.

What a nice piece! WOW!

Wow, that is nice! Too bad about the pad, but it's still a beauty. I'd go with the repro pad and start looking for a nice Lyman 66A or 56A, depending on year of manufacture. A Williams won't look right on that old girl!

Factory LOP is more like 13-5/8" - 13-3/4". It's probably going to need a spacer with a 1" pad.

Are you getting those "factory" LOP measurements from unaltered origional m64 rifles you have on hand ?

Just plain sweet! Nice rifle to be sure. Congrats!

pharmvet,

NICE!!!

My guess is that the PO had long arms & needed the extra length of stock, as I've done the same to any number of rifles, that "kick" just as little as the .30-30 does.

yours, te=x

Beautiful rifle, I agree with the reproduction Winchester pad recommendation, I've used them and the firearm looks "right" with one on it.

A dang good catch! When a kid, when someone mentioned "deer rifle" the Model 64 was the image that popped into my head! Guess I looked at too many old ads in the Shooter's Bibles!

No. I have calibrated eyeballs.

Which must mean you were not getting those measurements from an unaltered m64 or m94s with shorgun butt in your possession but simply thowing out an opnion or WAG?

I've owned numerous pre-64 Winchesters. M70's, 64's, 55's, 54's, etc. I don't own any currently.

Call it WAG if you like. I'd think of it as an educated guess.

PB,

Its clear you are a bit confused . The OP wanted facts not a guess based on faulty memory.

Bottom line is that across the board, factory Pre 64 Winchester LOPs were shorter than the 13 3/4" standard of today.

The m70s bolt had longer pull lengths than the lever guns. Every factory m94,64 ,92 etc I have measured all had 13-13.25" LOPs.

And that matters, because the OPs gun is a M64 not a m70 or 71.

Unless the OP needs a longer pull length, mucking up a straightforward pad fitting by adding a extra spacer makes no sense if looks odd and is not even the correct factory pull length.

My unaltered pre-war M64 carbine measures 13 3/16". My unaltered post-war M64 rifle measures exactly the same.

Another "vote" for 13-3/16", since that's what my M64 rifle w/checkered steel plate measures.

Lucked out several years ago, when another member here picked one up in 32 Special and didn't want the Lyman that was on it. Was more than happy to relieve him of it.