I'll even wear my new glasses to look at some combo gun-porn.

That includes Savage 24's. I love those American Classics!

Moved to drilling thread

Jeff

Africa with a drilling! Now there is a plan! Did you go mixed bag with fowl or just plains game?

I'll play.

Savage Model 24V Series D .357 mag over 20 gauge.



Neat case coloring:



Pretty wood:



Good shooter, too:




P

NICE wood.

Got in some bird hunting as well. Sand grouse in the Kalahari on the RSA side of the RSA/Botswana border. The zebra(and an eland), were taken in the Limpopo province.

Jeff

Here's my German girls. None are heavily engraved, all working girls, the kind that can cook and talk to you, not just pretty faces. I managed to hunt all of them last year. My old 24 in 22 WRM/20 lives behind the kitchen door and coudn't get out from under the coats and boots to get in the picture.

From the top,
Poschinger Capegun in 11.7x56 and 16 gauge
Mefford Hubertus 16/16/ 8x57JR
Bfly
Sauer 16/16/7x65R
Sauer 12/12/9.3x74R
Guild 16/8x57JRS
Hawelka Favorite 16/6.3c52R

I like that guild gun in 16 & 8x57 JRS..... those are a lot of fine girls indeed.

Nice collection Blackfly, made even better, as they get used for what they were made for!

Jeff

This is probably my favorite Savage 24V. Bought it from an old guy I liked very much on another board I frequented, sight unseen. He said it was in excellent shape and original, but obviously, his eyes were even worse than mine are LOL. Case coloring was there, but faded, stock was refinished in polyurethane and had a repaired crack at the receiver. Firing pin for the 223 barrel seemed long to me and when I grasped it with my fingers, it literally fell right out of the receiver.

Located a firing pin on fleabay back in the days before they became to anti 2nd amendment for me to use them anymore. Acquired an original stock that appeared to be for a Savage 94 because there was no pistol grip cap on it from fleabay also. It was a satin finish and pretty wood. Had a 10 inch beavertail forend I had purchased from Numrich that was SO bad I had to strip it, and it turned out to be a very nice piece of blonde walnut under the fugly finish that was on it that I thought would match all the blonde wood in the stock.

Stock was way oversize at the receiver so I had to strip it, fit it and then refinished the stock and forend in high gloss. Added a Denver manufactured Redfield Traditional 3X9 in Kwik Site see thru mounts so I could utilize the irons for slugs and the scope for the .223 barrel. I hate see thru mounts but find them necessary on a 24 cause the barrels can't be regulated.

It came out pretty good. I still need to put a sling stud in the stock, and I'd like to find a Denver low profile widefield in 2X7 for it, instead of this scope, but they seem to be few and far between.

Couple of more:
24V - 223 over 20 with standard wood furniture in walnut, Denver Redfield 2X7 Low Profile Widefield, all original and pristine.


24V - 357 Maximum over 20, standard walnut furniture.


One of the last 24Vs made before they want into Chapter 11 and re-organized in 1989. Standard hardwood furniture. This became the forrunner for the 24F tupperware model after reorganization. Notice the scroll design on the receiver and cross bolt safety now found on the 24F. 30-30 over 12 gauge with screw in chokes. Gun is new unfired and I have the original box.

Baikal IZH-94 combo gun, 12 gauge over 30-06.

I thought this was a new forum! Thanks to those who made it happen!! drillings and combination guns are rapidly becoming my favorites. I don't have many pictures but here's a start:

Meffert Dural, 16 X 16 over 7 X 57R, 1935





Jost & Diehl Combination gun in 16 bore and 10.5 X 47R. This one has really wormed its way into my heart. One of the interesting things about this one is the straight rifling in the shotgun bore.





Not a combination gun or a drilling but definitely German. Double rifle in 43 Mauser.



There's also a Thieme & Schlegelmich in 16 X 16 over 9.3 X 75R Nimrod that I'm going to be working with as soon as the repairs are completed and a Bartels stalking rifle in 8.15 X 46R I recently worked up a load for. I do prefer the older hammer guns and obscure rifle chamberings. Bringing them back to life is a huge rush.

It is a 12 gauge under a 40 cal. muzzle loader ,original. A looker not a shooter.

That Jost & Diehl is beautiful.

Whelen,
You should get that charcoal-burner up and running. It would be a lot of fun at the range.

Ordinarily I'm not a fan of early stackbarrels but I like that one, whelen. I agree with luv2, that one oughts see some woods time!!!

CZ BBF 16ga over 7X57R w/Trigicon Accupoint 56mm.

Boar was taken at 75 meters around 9pm with a 150 grain RWS bullet. He didn't move an inch... Well, may be a few inches "Down"

This is my Savage 24B-DL. It has a 22lr barrel over a 20ga shotgun. It is just about right for squirrels and the 2x Leupold helps these old eyes.

That's a nice one!

Here is my Blaser BBF97

Where did you get the leather rifle shell holder? Looks handy, I'd like one for shot shells.

Here is my Antonio Zoli 12ga / 7x57R, interchangeable chokes. Originally it seems to have had no provision for scope mounting. The previous owner put a mount on but didn't make it strong enough for the recoil of the shotgun, 4 6x48 screws. I had a gunsmith replace it with a mount 6 8x40 screws and 2 recoil pins. I also had the firing pin of the rifle barrel break, the gunsmith made another out of a less brittle steel along with replacements for both pins, Murphy Law Principle: If you have replacement parts, you will never need them... The scope is a older Burris shotgun scope, 1x to 4x, with 22 inches of eye relief at 1x! The 4x has not seemed to hold me back so far but the longest shot I've made is 300yds on a mule deer doe. Consistent 6 inch groups at 300yds. The butt pack shell holder I have holds 5 rifle rounds and has a zipper pack that holds 7 2&3/4 12ga shells and raises the comb a bit for scope use.

I have 3 combo guns

A 1970ish Savage/Valmet 12ga over a 308 win


A Valmet 3 barrel set 30-06 double, 12gs / 222 and 20 ga double


A Kreighof 12x12x30-06

Hamour, I enjoyed the pictures and the walk through time. Neat!

I second that. Thanks for sharing the pics.

Question. I found a BRNO 12/7x57R with 12/12 barrels and case. The guy is wanting $1550 for the set. I know very little about that brand and also how hard the rifle ammo is to find but I know it's a nice looking set.
HELP

Depends, there are about four different Brno combo guns, many of which are pretty rough.

You can form 7x57R cases from .444 Marlin brass, I would use virgin cases.

7X57R ammo isn't hard to find. Midway and Graf usually have a supply, as do many on-line ammo sellers.

The BRNO combo isn't my cup of tea; I don't like the receiver design. They do work well and are strong. If this gun has a scope and mount the asking price is about tops in my estimation.

You can still find an occasional Valmet or Tikka 412/512 with two barrel sets for about that price. I much prefer them.

thanks a million. Think I'll keep looking as the receiver was about butt ugly. Help me watch for a Valmet..

If you can nab this for about $700-750 it would make a nucleus for a system. Barrels show up sporadically, and you can probably find a 12/30-06 or 12/308 set for around the same price.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=332968211

Here's my Merkel 211E/ 231E combo set 16/7x57R & 16/16

And yes, it still does real work...



my Heym 16/.222 Light, accurate and handy!

I also have a Krieghoff and a Sauer drilling, like them all!

WOW, some beauties. Love that 16/.222.

FS Weaver 24 scope mount base

Maybe not the best place to put this, but I have a focused audience...

Somehow I have a spare new weaver mount for a savage 24 with nothing to put it on. Shoot me a PM if you would like to buy it.

I've got one just like that (no scope). They are a bit unusual due to the larger barrel selector button located on the left side of the receiver. The button style selectors were usually located on the right side of the receiver.

Trim little pre-war drilling. Original scope with original claw mounts with engraved rings. Short 16ga chambers on top of 8X57JR. Shown "on the hunt" from my tree house (OK its just a glorified platform) last year. Unfortunately didnt get to speak her voice last season. I'm new here so I guess the admins only let me post small size files.

Nice piece '86! And it is a ?

Nothing of mine got to clear its throat last season either.

Welcome!

That is a very nice drilling! What is the scope...a later 4X Hensoldt, maybe?

This is not the prettiest 24 that I have, but it is the baddest! 357Rem Max/20 Ga




Savage99F358

Its a Jackenroll marked AJACK scope but its unusual in that it is marked "5X". Typical German 3 post reticle, which I prefer over a duplex reticle for hunting.

i've debated opening the chambers to 2-3/4 but it just seems like an offense to mess with an original gun.

I pretty much just lengthen the forcing cones and shoot 2 3/4" ammo. I've never had a problem using medium loads.

Those were good scopes. Flaig's and Stoeger imported them, the last being Flaig's. Flaig's also imported some very fine guns.

I have a Blaser BBF 97, with two barrel sets, 20 gauge/6.5X55, and 20/9.3X74R. I ordered another set in 12 gauge/8X57JRS, and a fore arm for the bigger barrels. It slapped right on, and required no fitting. Loaded up a few rounds. It took a few to get it centered on the paper, then fired my first three shot group. Got a nice honest one inch group, still a couple inches low. I will play with it a bit, and tighten things up. My new forearm is a bit blonde compared to my buttstock, but I can live with it. So far I am pleased with my third barrel set.

1886nut;
Welcome to the 'Fire from just across the medicine line in south central BC.

We're actually a very lightly moderated forum here, so I don't believe it's the restrictions from Rick that made the photo small.

Let's see if this works:






OK, so how I got there was that I copied the URL from your photos and then hit the 4th icon from the left at the top of the reply text box. When I pasted it in, the photos came up this size.

Hopefully that made sense and was some use to you sir. Again welcome to the 'Fire and by the way, that's a fine rifle.

Regards,
Dwayne

I think the rifle barrel on my New set of BBF barrels is going to be fairly accurate. Last three shots of the day.

...and, you're going to call that acceptable???

The thing about Blasers is they DO shoot if you do your job!

1886, I opened the cones on one drilling and I'll never do it again. That was over 20 years ago and I didn't know that you could very easily make 2 1/2 hulls. Now the brass hulls are readily available and I use them. I've been told by those I trust you can use 2 3/4 hulls with no fears....but me being so stuck on doing things "the way they did back then" that doesn't seem proper to me either....just one of my many quirks.

What happened that you didn't like? I don't want to duplicate it.

Nothing special, but I picked this Baikal 12ga/223rem up used a few years back. Points great, shotgun bucks pretty good, rifle accuracy is good. Was looking for a versatile predator hunting setup.




50yd group in black and 100yd group above. Both with 50gr. V-max handloads from prone off a sandbag.

L2S, if the question was for me about opening the cones there wasn't anything that went wrong or the patterns not still being good, not at all. It's me. Now the drilling isn't original and I'm the one who had it changed. I had this nice Meffert drilling that was untouched and I changed it. That and I don't like it about me that I was ignorant of something, that being the knowledge of 2 1/2 in. hulls. But, it's done now and I can't put it back so I'll live with it...but I will never do it again. Not any more than I would rechamber a rifle because I couldn't find ammo for it on the shelf.

Still another option for short chambers is to order ammo from Polywad. They make spreaders, regular loads, and light loads for antiques, all in 2.5".

Sure wish I'd gotten one of these back in the early '80s!

I wasn't aware Savage made the 24 in 357 Max. That would be a find, for sure.

I understand that completely. I've had good luck in the past with lengthening cones in several shotguns. Recoil seemed to be a bit mitigated, and patterns got a bit better. Still, I see the merit in leaving these great guns nu-molested.

I did re-chamber a very good drilling that was in 8X57-360 to standard 8X57JR with excellent results. It made the drilling into something useful for me, where it was more toy status as original.

With the good Buschieri & Pellagri ( B&P ) brand 67mm ammo now on the market, there is absolutely no need to alter shorter 16ga chambers. As a matter of fact, I've not had a problem with using standard 2 3/4" field loads, either.

Too bad that Baikal doesn't shoot.

The one I had in 7X57R was spooky-accurate, and the shotgun shot 3" at 2 O'clock to the sights at about 60 yards with 2 3/4" Federal 1 oz Foster-type slugs.

Except for the triggers being pretty bad, I couldn't find fault in the Baikal. For the price they are good combo guns, IMO.

One thing people need to realize with combo guns is they all start to shoot other places as barrels warm up, even the "floated" barrel ones. Groups should be shot with a cool-down period between shots to get a true group. My Baikal was good for two relatively fast shots, but a third started to wander up somewhat.

I was amazed at the accuracy of the Baikal with a barrel profile equal to a Slurpee straw. You're right about shot strings. Mine is great for two in a row, then starts moving. I usually give mine a minute or two between for load tests. My only complaints with the combo gun are that the POA/POI is so varied at the closer distances due to the sight height above bore. My target was shot with the same zero and same hold. 50yds dead nuts, 100yds hits several inches high. I ended up sighting in dead on at 75yds for a slight low at 50yds and slight high at 100yds. I bought it for a predator calling rig and most of my shots are under 100yds with the majority being about 60-80yds. Unfortunatly, it was hard on the little grey foxes, so I have moved on to a 17rem bolt gun for the majority of my fur hunting to try and have a coyote, bobcat, and fox capable rifle that is fur friendly. Only thing I've killed with the shotgun was the pictured turkey. The shotgun trigger sets a little far forward to be comfortable to me also and is heavy.

Bernedelli 2000 12ga IM/5.6x50R Mag Weaver V-3(usually VX-II 1x4)



AA/Marrochi 12ga Choke Tubes/222Rem Nikon 1.5x4.5



My old Savage .223/20ga

Here is a Cape Gun that really came from the Cape. It is a Sauer in 12/9X57R that was originally imported by R. Muller of Cape Town South Africa. Muller was a well known provisioner of the time. The barrels have significant blueing wear about midway down from many miles of over the shoulder "african carry". I would LOVE to know its history and how it made its way from RSA to a gunshow in Kalispell Montana some years ago. It is a favorite of mine and still fills the bill for hunting today.




P.S. My companion there enjoys the gun as much as me since there is ALWAYS a squirrel or grouse for her after the bang!

Nice Brno 324. I am a big fan of the 3XX series from them.

This is one of mine. Built on a Merkel action it is 16ga X 270Win and second set of barrels are 16ga X 16ga. I do hunt with it. The scope is a Nickel Supra 3X in claw mounts.The shell carrier was made by me.It is 7oz latigo leather and handstiched.

She ain't pretty, she's beautiful.

Speakin of aint pretty... 30/30 20 gauge

I see the BRNO combo is "upside down," according to the theory that the rifle barrel should be lower in the action to mitigate bending forces. But I've never heard of one that had a problem, including some with pretty hearty chamberings: .30-06, .270, 7x65R. Don't know if they were ever chambered for 9.3x74R, but that would be a pretty stressful ctg., action-wise.

If you look close at the BRNO the hinge is very high on the barrels which increases the mechanical advantage on the top barrel. Also the locking lugs are at the top and not under the barrels or between them.

I should have known the Czechs would think of everything! Over the years they have been consistently one of the nations that innovates most and most effectively in firearms. Even the locking slide on Savage/Valmet O/Us was originally by a Czech gunsmith....

No, the .3-06, .270 and even the 7x65R, are MORE stressful on the action of a drilling or "bockbuschflinten" than the fine old 9.3x74R is.

The chamber pressures of the 9.3 are lower than the others and the larger base area of the case spreads the back thrust against the standing breech over a larger area, thus, easing the "punch" against it a bit at the moment of ignition.

In fact and this is also due to the weight/balance aspects of various cartridges in combo guns, the old 9,3x74R, is THE overall "best" choice in a gun of this sort and mine will shoot "bugholes". A 286 NP starting at 2400 fps is MAJOR PEE against ANY animal in North America and the recoil is surprisingly soft compared with my .375s and .338WMs.

How are you liking this recent incarnation of the 24?

Those new Savages sure do offer "visual shock" upon initial viewing.

If that ain't a "Black Rifle," I don't know what to call it--a "Black Shotgun"?

There's good and bad. I'll start with the bad: The sights are terrible,and I mean awful, they're very cheap plastic, I wouldn't trust them to hold up to even the most mild abuse. (I haven't had it for long though,time will tell) and they required far too much work (sanding,filing and notching) to make it shoot less than a foot high at thirty yards. Also, I would love it if it were possible to separate the gun at the break to make it more pack able,unfortunately, it's doesn't seem possible with this design.

The good: the trigger is great. it has a light,clean break with zero slop. Overall,The gun is very light and carries great. It groups well with any ammo I've used, and the point of impact at thirty yards is damn close with both barrels.I think it's an ideal truck/canoe/camp gun.

I hope Savage addresses the sights or someone makes some aftermarket ones. And I hope they start offering more combinations. I would love to see a .357/12 .

Think of it this way; no amount of abuse can make them uglier.

Are they scopeable

Changed the mount and added a 2.5 Leupold to the BRNO. I think it's going to work.

Solid looking rig!

I think you have it pretty well sorted out.

Some to drop the scammer/spammer who posted his "kitchens" down a notch...









THIS NICE LITTLE RIG IN 16GA 2 3/4"...6.5x57R...AND 22WM NOW RESIDES IN TOWNSEND MT.

Tell me a little more about that 2 barrel sxs. Is that a sxs shotgun and cape set or double rifle barrels? What gauge and calibers? is that a Weaver 3x, what mount?

It's a pre-war better quality Sauer cape gun set in 12/12 and 12/8X57JR. It now has a 1-4 Leupold VX II in claw mounts on the cape barrel set instead of the Waever K-3 P&CH as in the photo.

Very nice, surprised to see it in 12ga.

That's one of those that makes me all swarmy. How are the shot barrels choked, full and full?
There are two things that could make that gun nicer. One, if it were up and down instead of sideways; and Two, if it were mine. Shucks, number two would be all it would need to make it fine.
The only problem with the 8x57 and 12 bore is that you really don't need any other gun. Nice one.
Bfly

They're M & F.

I can't shoot an O/U. It's too hard to can't it 90 degrees to get it all proper, then get onto the birds in time.

That's because you hunt those steep hills. The barrels on that sideways gun is really up and down when you shoot because the mountain is so steep, and you're looking at it from the side and the birds are flying downhill, and .... yep, way too much thinking. I just bring up my gun, clinch my teeth, tense all my muscles, shut my eyes and yank the trigger. Forgot to flip the safe off. Cuss, Cuss. Bird gone!
Bfly

You need Evil Twin's sweet Sauer 16/9,3X72R cape gun. The 16ga versions are trimmer and faster handling than this 12ga gun.

I placed a curse on him. He won't sell/trade it to me.

Here is my latest project. It is a un-named Zella-Mehlis drilling dated 1924 in 16x16x9.3x72R. Bluing is great, the action was nickel plated, a very thin was but is mostly worn away. Shotgun bores are mirror and the rifle has some pitting in the grooves just ahead of the chamber but the lands look good and it shoots well. The only info on the maker is are the initials of the person that struck the barrels Herman Schlegelmilch.

This is kind of a restoration to hunting condition. It is a well balanced and fairly light gun and will make a great pheasant/sharptail rig



The stock was in rough shape and I've put a lot of time in putting it back together, cutting new pieces and glueing everything back where it belongs. Finally shot it yesterday and all the repairs held up well. Someone in the past tried to repair it and did a vey shoddy job and it all came apart again on him and pieces were lost. Now to remove his odd colored finish and get it looking right.

This is the pic. of the stock before I started, the other side was just as bad.

Good for you!!! I like to see that wonderful old hunter repaired and back in action. Keep posting on the restoration, please.

Luv2, I figgered it wuz time to rattle yer cage a bit

Yup, the "EVIL" old bugger is torturing us again, the varmint!

I dunno about guys lucky enough to actually OWN a sound, useable "Cape Rifle" and then show we poor ordinary folks nice photos of it........

Sonofagun, probably a "closet" LIBERAL!!!!!

You're just d@mned fortunate to live far enough away to make burglary cost prohibitive.

WOW!! Throw out one line and catch TWO biguns!!!!