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Posted By: High_Noon 1909 - 11/25/20
I found a pretty decent custom Oberndorf - a Peruvian 1909 in .270 WCF. Nothing fancy, just what looks like a competently done sporter. Condition is very good with some pluming evident on the receiver - some scratches and dents on the stock, but nothing bad. 22" barrel - don't know the make, flag safety. Price is a bit over $500.00.

I'm not familiar with the Peruvian 1909 - is it the same as the Argentine?
Posted By: Theo Gallus Re: 1909 - 11/25/20
No, it's not.

IIRC the bolt is funky somehow on Peruvian 1909's.
Posted By: z1r Re: 1909 - 11/25/20
The 1909 Peruvian has the same footprint (mostly) as the 1909 Argentine, it is a standard length 98 as far as action screw spacing goes. However, it utilizes an intermediate length bolt. The actions were very well made, quality on par with the Argentine.
Posted By: Theo Gallus Re: 1909 - 11/25/20
Originally Posted by z1r
The 1909 Peruvian has the same footprint (mostly) as the 1909 Argentine, it is a standard length 98 as far as action screw spacing goes. However, it utilizes an intermediate length bolt. The actions were very well made, quality on par with the Argentine.
You jogged my memory - shorter bolt, longer front receiver ring on the Peruvian.
Posted By: z1r Re: 1909 - 11/25/20
Originally Posted by Theo Gallus
Originally Posted by z1r
The 1909 Peruvian has the same footprint (mostly) as the 1909 Argentine, it is a standard length 98 as far as action screw spacing goes. However, it utilizes an intermediate length bolt. The actions were very well made, quality on par with the Argentine.
You jogged my memory - shorter bolt, longer front receiver ring on the Peruvian.


Yup, and High Charger hump, longer barrel shank, etc. But since it is already rebarreled.....
Posted By: Pappy348 Re: 1909 - 11/25/20
Any sound Mauser sporter is worth $500 IMO.
Posted By: High_Noon Re: 1909 - 11/25/20
Thanks Fellers. I always wanted a 1909 Argentine, but I'll give this Peruvian some thought.
Posted By: hunter13 Re: 1909 - 11/26/20
The Peruvian is much harder to find. An intermediate size action, it is perfect for a 7 x 57.

A large ring with a small barrel shank,, Tom Burgess would often grind the sides of receiver rings down to make a small ring action
Posted By: z1r Re: 1909 - 11/27/20
Originally Posted by hunter13
The Peruvian is much harder to find. An intermediate size action, it is perfect for a 7 x 57.

A large ring with a small barrel shank,, Tom Burgess would often grind the sides of receiver rings down to make a small ring action


Ironically, the Standard Length Oberndorf Sporters in 7x57 were highly prized for the ability to seat bullets out.

Yes, Tom would ovalize the receiver ring gives it a unique look and allows the stock and barrel to be thinner.

But it is a standard length action with intermediate length bolt.
Posted By: flintlocke Re: 1909 - 11/27/20
The FN contract Peruvians were properly hardened from the get go...occasionally some of the Argentines had soft receivers, usually discovered after the locking lugs imprinted.
Posted By: Hubert Re: 1909 - 11/27/20
A few years back I bought a 98 here that was started to be sporterized.. I dont know the model but I think it was a 24/30 3006 can anyone find the transaction I did? no problems just would like to know for sure.. the model# is covered up now.. and I would have to take it apart to verify it... thanks Hubert
Posted By: iskra Re: 1909 - 11/28/20
Can't help re CF Thread history locator, but alternative might be a bunch of good photos If not too extensively modified. Just guestimate suggestion for expert analysis! Also, such yet available nomenclature including serial numbers (semi as normally OK), Otherwise... Just an idea of what you're up against... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_Model_24_and_Model_30
And good luck!
Best & keep Safe!
John
Posted By: mark shubert Re: 1909 - 11/29/20
Can anyone put up the crests of the Peruvian, and Chilean, Mausers?
I have one, or the other in storage, but can't remember which !
Posted By: z1r Re: 1909 - 11/29/20
Chileno 1912 Steyr:
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Peruvian 1909:

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Posted By: z1r Re: 1909 - 11/29/20
And just in case you have a Peruvian 1935:

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Posted By: mark shubert Re: 1909 - 12/01/20
Thank you Mine is the Chileno.
I wonder how the quality compares to others.
Posted By: wa11 Re: 1909 - 12/01/20
my chileno's work as smooth as butter I would rather have a 1912 than a 1909 Argentines or a vz24 for a build
Posted By: z1r Re: 1909 - 12/01/20
The 1912 Steyrs were right there with the DWM 1908 & 1909's as far as quality.
Posted By: z1r Re: 1909 - 12/02/20
Originally Posted by flintlocke
The FN contract Peruvians were properly hardened from the get go...occasionally some of the Argentines had soft receivers, usually discovered after the locking lugs imprinted.


The 1909 Peruvians were not made by FN.
Posted By: flintlocke Re: 1909 - 12/05/20
Originally Posted by z1r
Originally Posted by flintlocke
The FN contract Peruvians were properly hardened from the get go...occasionally some of the Argentines had soft receivers, usually discovered after the locking lugs imprinted.


The 1909 Peruvians were not made by FN.

Oops, sorry, you're right...1935 Peruvian.
Posted By: Levitk Re: 1909 - 12/08/20
I have a 1909 mauser argentina and I can't find any ammo for it I might as well sell it unless eny one knows where I can find some 270 gibbs.
Posted By: CowboyTim Re: 1909 - 12/08/20
270 Gibbs is strictly a wildcat. ch has dies fire forming isn’t too bad on that one from 30/06 brass.
Posted By: elkhunternm Re: 1909 - 12/09/20
Quality Cartridge makes .270 Gibbs brass.
http://www.qual-cart.com/270%20cal.htm
Posted By: Trigger1963 Re: 1909 - 12/09/20
Just picked up a bubba 1909 engineer rifle has matching number bolt non drilled action original un cut barrel bubba stock,what should I do with it sell to a restorer?any idea what its worth?
Posted By: iskra Re: 1909 - 12/10/20
This & That...
The Mauser Oberndorf Factory considered their Intermediate action the perfect match for the 7x57 Mauser chambering and it was their exclusive chambering for such action in sporting application context. I'd consider that one heck of a recommendation even a century later!

Trigger: your 1909 action seems to be coveted for its bottom metal with hinged release floor plate. Such yielding nice custom sporters. Beyond, 'it' falling into a wider category of "tweens". Quality all matching milsurp barreled actions in hacked down stocks! Such as typically nowadays, costs of "restoration" exceeding the resulting value of product. Notably, "restored" differentiated from factory "original". I'm with a few nice, original milsurp barreled actions, original & matching, in just such category. Best retained as econo-Bubba sporters, aka "truck guns".

Below, my 1912 Steyr short rifle in original 7x57. A prior 'Bubba sporter' cleaned up to quality conversion! Set in a commercial Oberndorf factory sporter stock! A really nice rifle!

Best & Stay Safe!
John

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Posted By: z1r Re: 1909 - 12/10/20
My late war Type S 7x57 is made on a Standard Length Square Bridge action. While Mauser may have preferred to use an Intermediate bolt throw action for their 7x57, savvy sportsmen were requesting they be built on standard length actions. I'm lucky indeed.
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