Looking at getting a all numbers matching with paperwork from CMP with the crate and bayonet.
First time buying something like this can someone tell me what I'm looking at?

Some think less of H&R as they aren't of WWII vintage but it will be very rare to find anything outside a collector's vault that hasn't been rebuilt a number of times. I have one of the last H&R guns and really like it. Being mine was made after Korea, it is all original which may or may not increase its value.

What is something like this going in today's market?

I bought a 50’s H&R Garand a few years ago, excellent shape. It came with a handful of goodies, $1100 local FTF.

Just throwing it out there as reference, kinda an average-ish deal.

I had one, also. If I remember things right, it was a CMP Correct-grade, appearance was very nice.

For the time I owned it, it was what you could expect of a Garand, that is, very reliable and reasonably accurate.

Ended up trading it for a Carbine.

Is this an auction rifle?

Because that animal no longer exists at the CMP.

Closest you'll get is a Service Grade rifle w/ an H&R receiver.

As for the H&R's - they are late production and generally very nice.

Some like just H&R's, others like one of each manufacturer.

I have all SA Service Grades.


Pro Tip:

If it's Luck-of-the-Draw?

Buy several at once, keep the one(s) that sing to you, and then sell off the also-runs at or above acquisition cost.




GR

No idea what today's market is running, I would guess the above $1100 would be a good average for just the gun. But, then I may be off a fair bit in these times.

It's from a private seller 85 yr old vet down in Colorado Springs that says he has all the paperwork that came with it when he bought it from CMP.

Did you talk price with him? With inflation up, $$ in a bank account just goes backwards anyway. At least that’s part of my reasoning buying a few extra shooting irons. I know everyone has their ways to invest at an almost sure 15% a year, seem to anyway.

I have a near new H&R I bought at a gun show a few years back for $950. I was glad to get it. The H&Rs were once poo pooed because they were all manufactured post WW2. That has changed. They are now viewed as the most economical way to get a good condition, original rifle. That's just my opinion.

Mine is of good quality, accurate, and functions properly. I see nothing at all wrong with them.

I have a M-1 Garand made by Springfield. It is a National Match with serial # 6095640 in very good shape I have had it for several years and have only shot it twice with a 148 grain bullet powered by 47 grains of IMR 4064. It shot fine and reloaded itself fine. I have a gun nut friend pestering me to buy it. Did not get the paperwork but it was built in the late 50s I believe. I want all it is worth. What is the going price?

A “”6-million” numbered Springfield will run $1250 from the CMP - IF you could buy one directly from the CMP. Both stores are currently closed - the Talladega Shooting Park store is the only walk-in store open at the moment - and the stock changes by the week. When word gets out there’s been a restock - they get hit hard and fast. I looked at several 6 million Springfields there late last Fall - they’re nice rifles - mainly due to very few in that serial range being issued to the field, they were stored for decades.

Street price in the mid-East Coast is typically $200-500 higher than what the CMP price is - sometimes more if the right buyer is interested, and rifle is clean.

Just watched two Rack grade Winchesters sell for $1400 each, and they were beat up - only one had the WP barrel, but it was 3+, 4+ on wear. All other parts were other manufactured, and stocks were not marked, or had been sanded away.

At the OP:

IMHO - if it’s a single rifle crate - it’s a recent display case with NO historical value, it’s nice but not authentic WW2. James River Armory, the commercial Springfield Armory have offered “rebuilt” Garnds in the past twenty years with a display crate for the rifle.

“Numbers matching” generally means the receiver serial number and the barrel date are in alignment with the age of both. Everything else on the rifle has a drawing number that changed over time as mods were made - most parts had a manufacture name on them, but that doesn’t equate to “right” in all cases - as many times as these rifles were leased and sold - odds of a fully correct rifle are lottery winning high.

Thanks guys for the info

I’m just guessing, but probably 1200-1500 now?

Yea looks like 1700-1800 range. He has two.

That too rich for my blood. You might want to check completed auctions on gunbroker.

a $1500 M1 today is a $2000 M1 5 years from now. They aren't being made anymore. An H&R is a good rifle.

kwg

Do a check and confirm the rifle is a "real" issue National Match. I was thinking the 6 million serial number range was too high. Unfortunately, there are copies and forgeries for National Match rifles. If you have a real one it would probably add $500 to $1000 to the value. Not everyone is looking for a National Match rifle. If you find the right guy you could do well above $1000 more than a service grade rifle. Most of the National Match rifles I have seen set on a sellers tables for years and show after show because they are priced way out of line for what a person will pay for a service grade rifle.

kwg

The old doctor that gave it to me is dead now. He claimed to have the paperwork but mislaid it somewhere. His house was an unruly museum and archive. He told me he shot it in competitions. How do I tell if it is authentic? I really believe he at least thought it was.

Depending the paperwork, and the grade of rifle - it could be an average deal. You’re not going to flip one at that price, but you probably couldn’t build a Service Grade or higher for much less.

If the rifle is a Service grade - it’s a little high, if it’s a Correct grade - it’s at value, and an investment towards the future.

But without details pictures - it’s a guess only.

YMMV

I’d say 1000 to 1200.00. I have an all correct H&R, wouldn’t take less than 1200 for it.

Crate? When did they start coming in crates?

There are three general categories that you're looking at for "National Match" Garands.
The Type 1 National Match rifles were built by the Arsenal as a "National Match" Rifle and fired and sold at Camp Perry to competitors. They will be documented as "National Match" Garands by the CMP. They were produced and sold up to somewhere around 1959. They were basically hand fitted stock and parts and are fairly uncommon in original condition because in the hands of competitors, they were rebuilt, rebarrelled and upgraded over their lifespan.

The Type 2 National Match garands incorporated evolving tech such as glass bedding and a hooded rear aperture. They were also arsenal built and sold at Camp Perry to competitors. The CMP would have the documentation of these as well.

The Garand collectors can tell you about the proper serial number ranges, the proper parts drawing numbers and inspector's marks. That's not me.

The third general type of garand would be those built by armorers. Included in these would be military team rifles, and civilian competitive rifles built by armorers. These, while interesting and often better shooting than the Type 1 and Type 2's are difficult to document and are probably worth the sum of their parts, unless the owner can prove that it was built by one of the legends of Garand accurizing like Don McCoy. Often times, they'll come with NM stamped barrels and/or sights, but those parts are plentiful enough that I could probably put one together like that tomorrow and peddle it to the unknowing for a pretty penny.

You could throw the Navy Garands into the same category of the Type 1 and Type 2 NM guns, but I'm not sure if they're documentable by the CMP.

How much are they worth? I'm not up to date of values...but when I checked about 10 years ago, Scott Duff was selling an unmodified Type 1 for somewhere around $2500.

For the OP, there's a whole sub category of Garand collecting for H&R. There's "arrow heads" and "postage stamps" etc. A couple of sources would be the Garand Collector's Association, and the CMP Forums. I'm not sure how active Scott Duff is anymore, but he has written some very authoratative books on Garands. FYI, None of my CMP Garands came with a crate or bayonet...not to say they don't do it now.

Here's a rabbit hole for you Hastings...!!!
https://www.americanrifleman.org/content/the-national-match-m1/

I believe there's a bona fide expert Garand collector that posts on this site. I'll see if I can get him to chime in.

Arrowhead is a designation of an IHC-made Garand, also. Fairly rare, I have one here.

oops...showing my lack of garand knowledge. I need to stop posting

I would start with contacting the CMP or the Garand Collectors Assoc. I belong to the GCA and they have some really smart guys who know all about all the versions of the Garand. Their email address is:
[email protected]

If you have a real National Match they might ask you if they can add it to their data base.

kwg

No big deal. Please keep conversing.

Garands are like any other rifle in that there is a multitude of differences to wade through and can become quite consuming, especially if someone is trying to restore one to "correct" for that serial number.

I've gotten to where I'm happy with a good, reliable shooter..

Just found out this M1 is a collector grade from CMP.
What should they going for in today's market?

2020 price list from CMP - and the prices are going up this year, haven’t seen new list.

HRA “Correct Grade” was $1800 from the CMP

IMHO - expect to add 15-20% for a private sale.

HC RG 750.00
IHC FG 980.00 RM1IHCF
IHC SG 1080.00 RM1IHCS
IHC SG Gap letter-4 mil 2000.00
IHC FG Gap letter-4 mil 1900.00
IHC Gap letter-5 mil 1500.00

SA FG 700.00 RM1Field
SA SG 750.00 RM1Service

HRA FG 700.00. RM1Field
HRA SG 750.00. RM1Service

WRA FG 850.00 RM1WRAF
WRA SG 950.00 RM1WRAS
SA 6 million 1220.00 RM1SA6M
NM Type 2 Service 2535.00
SA WW2 Correct grade 3020.00
HRA Correct 1800.00
Chrome M1 580.00 RM1Chrome

CMP Special grade 30.06
SA/HRA 1150.00 RM1Special
IHC 1250.00 RM1SpecialIHC
WRA. 1250.00 RM1SpecialWRA

CMP Special Field grade
SA/HRA Field Grade 30.06 950.00
SA/HRA Field Grade .308. 950.00

CMP Special .308
SA/HRA 1250.00 RM1308Special
WRA .308 1250.00 RM1308SpecialWRA
IHC .308 1250.00 RM1308SpecialIHC

Special Rack Grade
WRA RG 700.00 RM1SpecialRackWRA
SA/HRA 750.00RM1SpecialRack

Special FG WRA 1150.00
RM1SPECIAL 1150.00


M1 C/D
SA M1C SG 3105.00 RM1CSB
SA M1C FG 2305.00 RM1CFB

M1D SA SG. 1555.00
M1D WRA SG 1855.00

M1D SA FG 1255.00
M1D WRA FG 1555.00
M1D SA RG 955.00
M1D WRA RG 1355.00
M1D - Repro Parts 2320.00

1941Faux Sniper 2750.00

Tanker M1 1900.00

Bolt Rifles
1903a3 FG Dark Bore - 650.00 SG Shiny Bore - 770.00 FG S-Stock 670.00 SG S-Stock 770.00
1903 FG Dark Bore - 650.00 SG Shiny Bore - 750.00
1903 C stock SG 850.00 FG 750.00
1903 FG S stock 650.00
1903 FG Mark 1 650.00
1903 SG Mark I 750.00
1903 Mark I C stock - 850.00
1903a4 1300.00
1903A4 Clone 2750.00

M1917 SG 700.00 M1917 Chromed 335.00
M1917 FG 600.00 M1917

KRAG SG with X code 1250.00
KRAG FG with Y code 1100.50
KRAG RG with Z code 1050.00
Krag Chrome 500.00

Drill Rifles
Drill M1 380.00
Drill 1903/1903a3 350.00
Drill 1903A3 Welded 350.00

I have an H&R M1 and it’s a 52 receiver with a 54 barrel. It shoots 175 Rdf, 178 eld’s very will with 46.4gr h4895. It will not shoot 168 Hornady’s worth a chit. I think the ol girl needs a new barrel. I shoot it at the occasional vintage rifle matches.

Thanks for your help