Anyone use this stuff. Supose to be invisible. I spooled 3 reela with it and have had 2 bite/break offs. It is stiff, but the 24# broke faster than I would have expected. Large Jack.

Some of my reels I just put 30 foot leaders on to use the line spools I have of mono. I had one cut that also.

Are there some downsides to using this stuff.

Hoppes9

I use the 50-60# stuff for leader for bottom fishing, it's all I use. I like SeaGuar the best

I use the heavy stuff for leaders, and 10# on a Penn spinning reel for clear water bass and crappie fishing. Works great. Caught 6 bass, 1.5 to 5 lbs in 30 minutes Sunday, using finess worms. Wish I had more time to fish.

I use Seagur for Salmon and Bill fish. It seems to make a differnce. If you fly fish, don't use it when fishing dry. It sinks too much.

My experience with the stuff shows it very poor in the abrasion resistance arena. I am not impressed with the stuff, at all.

I use it a lot , especially for tuna fishing. I also only use the seaguar brand . I use the 25# and 40 for bottom fishing and the 60 or 80 # for school tuna and larger for the giants. I have not had any break off issues though.I fish mainly circle hooks and have a line pusher on the boat when big fish are the target.I will say it is not as supple as some mono's but not that bad to deal with. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Is there a knot issue?? IE differing knots hold better than what one would be used to? I recall having to learn the palomar knot for best luck with tough line.

I tie uniknot, surgeon's knot, Palomar. None have come loose. I tie different weight flourocarbon leader to main line with a double uniknot.

I use Yo Zuri fluorocarbon line for leader material while salmon mooching. Works great and no knot problems either.

Yo Zuri

MtnHtr

I am of the opinion, reinforced everytime I use the fluorocarbon, the stuff sells only because it is so high-priced. Compared to Maxima it loses in every category, except price. I have been buying Maxima in bulk rolls and spooling a ton of reels for decades and it continues to amaze me.

The fluorocarbon has yet to impress, let alone amaze, me. Maxima leaders come up totally shredded but still hanging onto a hook regularly. The other stuff breaks far too soon to show any abrasion resistance.

I gave away the last batch I bought after finding once again how much I hate the stuff...
art

How in God's name do we know what fish see? And even if they do see line, how does anyone know that they can connect it to danger??? Geez, if fish were that picky, if they scrutinized their bait, how come they don't see the huge hooks I put in 'dines?

More than any one single thing, I think a fish's appetite triggers their greatest biting response. Then there is their natural instinct to bite bait fish. But I am sold on how bait reacts being the most crucial element in catching as opposed to merely fishing.

I just came back from two-day trip off the coast of Baja. Everyone on the boat got their limits of albacore. (I'm smoking about twenty pounds now.) I do not think anyone was using anything other than straight mono. When those fish came to the surface on the chum, we were talking about how there was no need for bait: They would have struck at a bare hook!!! As soon as bait hit the boil, albies were striking!

I do not fish fluorocarbon line; for the cost of a few spools I can book another fishing trip! I have had good enopugh luck tossing lively 'dines at hungry fish! Finally, I do not think there is such a thing as line-shy. In fact, I do not think fish pay any attention to line; they just aren't intelligent enough to connect the concept of line to danger. I think if you grab a lively 'dine and change your bait after a minute or two, you'll have all the advantage you'll need.


Good fishin',

Leon

Alot of fishing gear is designed to catch the fisherman's $'s in the guise of catching more fish.

I have seen the benefits of small dia braided lines when one is fishing in heavy tides, but asside from that, plane ole quality mono line is good stuff.

Leon
Well, amazing as it may seem, we can know what fish see. The light receptors in their eyes are designed very similar to humans'. We can know what it is possible for them to see based on the eye construction, but obviously we cannot know how they will process the information.

Always cracks me up to read a flyfishing rag and the guys are talking about matching wits with a trout! That tiny little swelling above the spinal cord and someone wants to brag about matching wits??? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

I always liked Lee Wulff's "Give 'em strawberries and cream in january" line.

Sending my addy by PM for a big ol' chunk of smoked albacore! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
art

Sitka deer,

I just took the stuff outta my King Kooker and, my God, is it delicious! In fact, I called King Kooker today where a woman there told me to use beer (5 cans of Coors Light) in the water pan. I used hickory chips and put a glaze of teriaki and sweet & sour sauce on it the last half-hour of smoking. Tender, moist, flavorful, and delicious.

I checked out www.hmlanding.com for today's catch. It seems like only long range boats are getting albies. Maybe in a couple weeks I'll go out again for two days.

I am going out this August for five days aboard the www.redrooster3.com. I am hoping we'll get into dorado. That stuff is to good to smoke.

How's the fishing up your way?


Good fishin',

Leon

SD,

I don't think this is any proof fluorocarbon line works any better but on the last two salmon trips (03 & 04) I limited out (2 Kings) in less than an hour while it took another 4-6hrs for 16+ others to catch their limit (with others helping too, grin). I was using Yo Zuri fluorocarbon for 6ft leader material attached to Berkeley Big Game (smoke) from Wal Mart (both 20lb test) Lamiglas rocks btw................

I did spool a reel once with Yo-Zuri but prefer Berkeley's Big Game as its really tougher stuff, less stretch for fishing down deep. But Yo Zuri seems to get more nibbles when used as leader material. Best of both worlds maybe?



I do use Maxima for trout, stuff rocks!

MtnHtr

Leon
The fishing up this way sucks... They are all huge and incredibly tastey and I want pretty... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> Actually, the fishing could be a whole lot worse.
art

Big Game is a pretender! Get Maxima and you will not need to fool yourself. Repent sinner!

Hoppes:

Here's the fluorocarbon spiel:
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Compared to most monofilament lines, which are made primarily of extruded nylon, fluorocarbon is manufactured from extruded polyvinylidene fluoride. Although the extrusion process -- whereby the respective line material is pushed through a die to create different diameters and strengths -- is basically the same for both monofilament and fluorocarbon, that's where the similarities end.

Monofilament is popular as a line material because of its low memory and suppleness, which make it easy to cast and handle. Furthermore, mono boasts excellent knot strength and abrasion resistance, and has an inherent stretch that makes it forgiving when subjected to sudden strain. It's also fairly inexpensive. But stretch can also be perceived as a disadvantage of mono, since it may reduce the sensitivity needed to detect subtle strikes, as well as limit the angler's ability to set the hook solidly in certain situations, such as when bottom-fishing in deep water. Mono also absorbs water, and can lose as much as 15 percent of its rated breaking strength when saturated. Lastly, mono weakens considerably under repeated exposure to the sun's ultraviolet rays.

THE FLUORO ADVANTAGE - Fluorocarbon's biggest selling point is its low visibility. This is due to its refractive index -- the degree to which light bends or refracts as it passes through a substance - which can be as low as 1.42. That's nearly identical to the refractive index of water (1.3). The refractive index of nylon monofilament is higher than that of fluorocarbon, coming in at about 1.52.

Fluorocarbon also contains more material than mono, is non-porous, and has a harder finish. It's virtually a solid material that's denser than water. That means it sinks and doesn't absorb water, the latter quality enabling it to maintain its rated breaking strength whether wet or dry. Furthermore, it has a diameter that's comparable to or smaller than monofilament of the same strength, and also has very little stretch. Both features enhance fluorocarbon's sensitivity and hook-setting ability. Lastly, fluorocarbon is very abrasion-resistant and is less susceptible to damage from the sun and chemicals.

On the down-side, original fluorocarbon is much stiffer than nylon monofilament and retains a fair amount of memory. That's why fluorocarbon has excelled as a leader material, but hasn't been manageable as a fishing line. Another drawback has been price, since fluorocarbon leader material costs considerably more than monofilament. However, all that is about to change with the arrival of new fluorocarbon fishing line. Banking on the popularity of fluorocarbon leaders, several manufacturers have recently introduced technologically advanced formulations of fluorocarbon that are slightly softer and more flexible than the original material. Although these new fluorocarbon products retain nearly all the advantages of the leader material, they're intended for use as a primary fishing line. They're reasonably priced, and are already becoming quite popular with salt water anglers. Let's take a look at three current brands.

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We fish with all types of lines includingt wire.

From our experience the lighter the line and the thinner and the most invisble are the best to ensure strikes.

Bill Tibbe

Maxima Chameleon is simply the best for river fishing and trolling - hard to break the stuff. But fluorocarbon has its uses too. In Baja when we fish school tuna that are seeing baits day after day - fluoro works. Sometimes we have to go down to 20# fluoro but we often get fish when mono simply doesn't catch any. It may be different on the long range boats where fish aren't being baited every day.

Fluorocarbon also makes flies sink faster in deep or fast water. If you want to get to the bottom fast use a fluoro leader.

I just came back from a long range fishing trip out of San Diego all the way to the Cape and everyone used the stuff.
We stopped on a school of Bluefin tuna and they are line shy usually, but no problem getting hooked up with Fluor.
Same story on big Yellowfin and Albacore, Dorado. They cant see the line I quess. My motto is if the Japanese use it I use it.
-Doc-

I gave the fluor another test on trout with a 4lb tippet and caught several browns and brookies on the Kern River this morn. It sure works in clear water on spooky fish like native browns.
-Doc-

Maxima , maxima, maxima used it for years with great success. Now that I have tried several brands of Flouro I'll never go back unless its a specific use situation. Maxima is well under rated. If you compare line diameters maxima 10lb is equal to alll other brands 14-16 lb or more test strength. IMaxima also has a high percentage of stretch in its lines, therefore giving it alot of give on big strikes. Thisi why for the big fish on fly rods we tie in Rio's Shock gum on our leaders. If you wwant to learn about abrasion resistance then contact Excalibur and you can see the test results, and what makes a highly abrasion resistant line. Try catching fish on the top with any method and I think you will learn "line shy" very fast. Anyone here familiar with the Rainbow - bead/toothpick method. You have to put the bead/egg in front of the hook to even get a strike. If you just used and egg fly you wouldn't get any takes. Rio has a website with some good info and they have both mono amd flouro. I think you will be able to make a well informed decision on what fits your application best.

Another point is all lines mono or Flouro have better knot strength with a cinch type knot. Similat to what was posted above.......Blood,UNI,Palomar, Double surgeons. One other I always use is a Stealhead click knot. needs a tying tool but it clicks when it is tied correctly and has 100% knot strength. The click ensures you did it right. Because of flouro's stiffer compound it can and will undo itself on long fights when not using a good knot. The smaller the diameter the more prevalant it will be.

You really need to wet your knots with saliva if you are using Flouro. Otherwise knot failures are common.

Not if you use the double X Bob knot.
-Doc-