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#2465259 - 09/29/08 Ask John Barsness Questions About "The .300 Weatherby"  
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Hi Folks:

This is the place to ask John Barsness (aka Mule Deer) questions about his monthly exclusive column for 24hourcampfire. This month's article is entitled, "The .300 Weatherby."

If you have not read it and would like to, you can SIGN UP HERE to receive John's column every month.

Thanks, John!


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#2469413 - 10/01/08 MD 300 WBY Article  
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First of all, I couldn't get to the topic, "Ask John about the 300 Weatherby" so am making this one. Finally someone has rediscovered the 300 WBY! Thank you Mr. Barsness. I must say I have never owned one, but have shot a few in the Mark V and Vangard, and also in a Winchester Classic. The Weatherby's have all been as accurate as John has said and IMO easy to shoot. I was actually surprised by the lack of recoil. The Winchester was borrowed to shoot a mule deer at approximately 200 yards in a high wind situation. Thanks again

#2469492 - 10/01/08 Re: MD 300 WBY Article [Re: Just a Hunter]  
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I own a 300 Wby barrel for my Encore. As you say it is very easy to shoot. It is highly accurate and not many critters escape its terminal knock-out punch. With its very effective muzzle brake it is like shooting a 7mm-08.


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#2469878 - 10/01/08 Re: MD 300 WBY Article [Re: Reloder28]  
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I truely have fallen in love withmy Vanguard 300 Wthby. A 200 grain bullet at over 3000 fps is an amazing hunting tool.


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#2469885 - 10/01/08 Re: MD 300 WBY Article [Re: Reloder28]  
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In my opinion, the .300 Weatherby cannot be beat.

Mine delivers 4000 foot pounds, has a point blank range of 300 yards with 180 grain Partitions, holds four rounds, shoots to 1.0 MOA, and weighs only 6 3/4 pounds plus scope and sling.

Nothing else--not a RUM, a .338, a WSM, or whatever--can do all that.

Recoil is acceptable if you work with it. I do not use muzzle brakes. My last eleven kills have each been 1-shot kills, ranging from 150 pound Impala to a 5000 pound Hippo (yes, the latter had been wounded with a .458, but died with the first Wby. shot).

I would not hesitate to use this rifle on Alaska Brown Bear with appropriate loads, or on African Cape Buffalo if it were legal.


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#2470132 - 10/01/08 Re: MD 300 WBY Article [Re: IndyCA35]  
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Just a Hunter,
What article are you referring to? I'd like to see it as well. Thanks.

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Campfire Newsletter I got as an e-mail.


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#2470195 - 10/01/08 Re: MD 300 WBY Article [Re: Kimber7man]  
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Guys:

I'm going to move this thread to the "Ask John" thread. I fixed the link. wink


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#2470219 - 10/01/08 Ask John column  
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Rick:

Thanks to both you and JB for this monthly column. It's great.

Just curious, and I have no complaints, but how come it's not on the home page with the other pieces? Or is this a new thing you're trying out? Or have you just given up on the regulars ever seeing the home page after having bookmarked the forum pages? smile

- Tom

#2470232 - 10/01/08 Re: Ask John column [Re: tjm10025]  
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We're working on a new set of articles for the Home Page. We're evolving the system and working on various options.


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#2470267 - 10/01/08 Re: Ask John column [Re: RickBin]  
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Rick,
If I have never taken the time before to say thanks for the campfire. More and more I find it is the place where I wind down after a long day of work.

I appreciate it.
Joel


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#2470291 - 10/01/08 Re: Ask John column [Re: CrimsonTide]  
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I tell you what...I read every word JB has to offer. Thanks for bringing him on and getting another monthly column out of him.


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#2470298 - 10/01/08 Re: Ask John column [Re: RickBin]  
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Rick, great start, thanks! Would suggest a broader range for the 'Ask John ..." column as not all of us are Wby devotees. shocked


Lord, make me fast & accurate... Let my aim be true. Grant me victory over my foes ... Let not my last thought be, If I only had my gun. And Lord, if today is truly the day that you call me home, let me die in a pile of empty brass. LTC J. Cooper
#2470303 - 10/01/08 Re: Ask John column [Re: Wildcatter264]  
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It's just the first. If anyone is in tune with the Campfire culture, it's John!

I think you'll like the next one. I have it in my possession, but wild horses ... wink


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#2470313 - 10/01/08 Re: Ask John column [Re: RickBin]  
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Where is this column? I must be missing it?

Thanks!

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#2470488 - 10/01/08 Re: Ask John column [Re: Calif. Hunter]  
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I look forward to these columns and I'm glad to have JB on the 'fire. Thanks

#2470538 - 10/01/08 Re: Ask John column [Re: Calif. Hunter]  
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Originally Posted by Calif. Hunter
Where is this column? I must be missing it?

Thanks!


Ditto. I went to the home page & couldn't find it.


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#2470545 - 10/01/08 Re: Ask John column [Re: WyoJoe]  
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https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbth...owflat/Number/2465259/page/1#Post2465259

Click on the link, and you'll find a link to the column.

rb


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#2478915 - 10/05/08 Re: Ask John Barsness Questions About "The .300 Weatherby" [Re: RickBin]  
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John, I've always been puzzled by the frequently published claims - not alluding to your writings - that the 300 Wby can drive bullets of equal weight and type to MVs equal to or higher than the 300RUM. Given the physics of the 2 cases, the same bullets at equal chamber pressures and barrel lengths would seem to dictate advantage RUM. We might argue lack of practical differences in game performance or trajectory, but IMO not absolute equality in measured performance. I've not tested this hypothesis as I don't shoot the Wby. Is this type of thinking off track?


Lord, make me fast & accurate... Let my aim be true. Grant me victory over my foes ... Let not my last thought be, If I only had my gun. And Lord, if today is truly the day that you call me home, let me die in a pile of empty brass. LTC J. Cooper
#2478932 - 10/05/08 Re: Ask John Barsness Questions About "The .300 Weatherby" [Re: Wildcatter264]  
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It probably arises from two sources:

1) Shooters who interpret the higher factory numbers of the Weatherby to mean it's capable of more velocity than the .300 RUM, when in reality the reason is the higher pressure of Wby. factory ammo.

2) Handloaders who feel for some reason the need to defend the .300 Weatherby, and hence load it pretty hot.

Other than that, I dunno. All the laws of internal ballistics say the .300 RUM should be a little faster when loaded to the same pressures.


John

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#2479004 - 10/05/08 Re: Ask John Barsness Questions About "The .300 Weatherby" [Re: Mule Deer]  
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Thanks, makes sense as usual.


Lord, make me fast & accurate... Let my aim be true. Grant me victory over my foes ... Let not my last thought be, If I only had my gun. And Lord, if today is truly the day that you call me home, let me die in a pile of empty brass. LTC J. Cooper
#2479170 - 10/05/08 Re: Ask John Barsness Questions About "The .300 Weatherby" [Re: Wildcatter264]  
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John, did you work on any loads with IMR 7828? I have no problem matching factory ballistics with published data in both of my 300s.

#2479252 - 10/05/08 Re: Ask John Barsness Questions About "The .300 Weatherby" [Re: Mule Deer]  
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Two questions:

1. Although I haven't chronographed them, Wby factory loads print higher on the target at 200 yards than does the same bullet handloaded by me with the maximum H4831 load in the Sierra or Hornady handbook. Is there any reason one shouldn't load the .300 Wby to higher pressures in order to duplicate factory velocity? After all, there is all that hype about the long freebore, the strength of the MkV action, etc.

2. Back in the early 1960s, Weatherby used to publish load data for IMR4350, since apparently H4831 was not yet available. I notice that this data is considerably hotter than maximum loads the handbooks publish now. Why?



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#2479450 - 10/05/08 Re: Ask John Barsness Questions About "The .300 Weatherby" [Re: MagMarc]  
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MagMarc,

I didn't try 7828 in this rifle, mostly because people have been asking for data for newer powders. I have used 7828 in the past and it worked well. In fact I believe at one time (maybe 10-15 years ago) that was the factory powder, at least with 180's.


John

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