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I wish I could warm to the NF's but just cannot for some strange reason.


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Originally Posted by peeshooter
I wish I could warm to the NF's but just cannot for some strange reason.



Start using them hard, you'll warm up quick.

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Using SWFA's for the rough stuff and am more than happy.


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I'm going to have to get one of these NSX Compacts. I'm thinking a Model C483 (NXS - 2.5-10x42mm - ZeroStop™ - .250 MOA - IHR - DigIllum™ - PTL).

Let me know if y'all see a deal on one!


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Originally Posted by Jordan Smith
I get the opportunity to try a bunch of them, and have owned and used several, as well. Leupold makes scopes that do some things well (lightweight, hold zero once adjusted, etc), but I stand by what I said about the NF 2.5-10...


Have you tried the mark 6 3-18? I have buddies who use the nxs 2.5-10 and while a fine scope indeed my mark 6 hasn't given anything up. Yes it is a few hundred dollars more unless you get mil/Leo price as I do. But I also shoot in mils and ffp which limits what compact NF scopes/reticle I can use.

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Have you tried the mark 6 3-18? I have buddies who use the nxs 2.5-10 and while a fine scope indeed my mark 6 hasn't given anything up. Yes it is a few hundred dollars more unless you get mil/Leo price as I do. But I also shoot in mils and ffp which limits what compact NF scopes/reticle I can use.



Dozens. Incorrect adjustments values, off centered reticles, failure to return to zero, backlash, etc, etc.

As Jordan said, there isn't a Leupold made that competes with Nightforce when it comes to actually working.


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As much as I like Bushnell 6500 4 1/2-30X50, when I got the 6.5 Creedmoor and wanted to twist I bought a Nightforce 5.5-22X56. It is a joy to twist and have the group go where I want it. An interesting observation yesterday is the VX-5 3-15X56 beat my Nightforce by five minutes in the low light test on deer antlers 131 yards away.


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Originally Posted by RickBin
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You definitely need to include these Zeiss V6 in this discussion:

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I had a chance to wring them out at the FTW Ranch, and there was a whole lot to like about 'em. The teachers there are retired snipers, know their [bleep] cold, and EVERYONE was impressed with these things.

Made in Germany, all the bells, whistles and coatings on the optics, this model (3-18x50) has 103 MOA elevation, and, last but not least, repeatability was impeccable.

I will personally own one of these as soon as they arrive in US markets, which is slated for early summer.

These are the real deal.


Rick, any info if the build quality of these Zeiss are an improvement over previous models? Never owned one, but a very well respected and well know rifle builder told me he has had a ton of Zeiss fail on him and tries to stay away from them.

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I sure hope they are better than the Zeiss Conquest HD 5-26X50. I purchased one a couple weeks ago and returned it. The Bushnell 6500 4 1/2-30X50 beat it by 12 minutes in the low light comparison. I was hoping it would beat the 6500 because it is lighter. That means the VX-5 3-15X56 would beat it by 18 minutes!


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Originally Posted by Formidilosus
Originally Posted by peeshooter
I wish I could warm to the NF's but just cannot for some strange reason.



Start using them hard, you'll warm up quick.


I built this rifle in August 2016 and shot this deer with it in Oct 2016 and I never warmed up to the NXS.

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Yes, ,leupold does not make a scope that will do what NF will do. I guess I will buy another with the damn IHR


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For all the Leupold bashers, they supposedly have fixed the turret issue with the new HD's,,,has anyone put them thru a test yet ?

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Maybe Lupold should shoot some video with them beating up and remounting and shooting. They supposedly fixed it!


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Originally Posted by Bwana_1
For all the Leupold bashers, they supposedly have fixed the turret issue with the new HD's,,,has anyone put them thru a test yet ?



No they haven't.


I keep hearing this, where does/did it come from?

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For all the Leupold bashers, they supposedly have fixed the turret issue with the new HD's,,,has anyone put them thru a test yet ?



No they haven't.


I keep hearing this, where does/did it come from?


I read a review by a "famous" writer(can try to find it), that said they changed/redesigned the turrets to fix the past problems..."so no more worries about turret twisting" ....he claimed, something to that effect.

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Originally Posted by Bwana_1


I read a review by a "famous" writer(can try to find it), that said they changed/redesigned the turrets to fix the past problems..."so no more worries about turret twisting" ....he claimed, something to that effect.



Thank you. Nobody wishes Leupold would fix their stuff more than I, but no, the erector system is the same and they exhibit all the issues of every previous version.

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Bwana1, all scopes fail. Some fail more than others, I am not going into harms way with my hunting rifle, but you do treat them roughly at times, then further some just break when your shooting them or dialing them. The ones that don't break are well known and the ones that break are well known. While there are armchair quarterbacks that love this one or that one, statistically speaking your chances of getting a poor device is much higher with Leupold than with SWFA or NightForce. However I have been recently encouraged by John's (Muledeer) test of the toric 3-15 scope. I think a Leupold would last for a while on a 10-22 or a 223 if you did not twist it a lot. Past that I have no faith.


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It's a real shame Leupold hasn't figured it out yet. Weaver sorted out erectors years ago with their Micro-Trac. I was eyeballing the VX-5 1x5 for my 30-06, but if they have the same old erector problems i will need to pass.

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What issues with Leupold?

I would like to test mine.

I have spent enough time in light labs on the drilled and tapped metal bench, both at General Dynamics and Corry. I was designing missile course correction and night vision, but I know how to test things.

I am going to guess that the scope turrets have spring opposed right hand threads, and one could get backlash from going counter clockwise if the spring did not follow all the way.

My father put split gear adjustment in the M55 artillery design back in the 1950s so there was no backlash. I still don't see that on even the fanciest guitar tuning keys.


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Originally Posted by RickBin
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You definitely need to include these Zeiss V6 in this discussion:

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Hey Rick,
Can we include her in the deal too???? grin


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