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Doc,
I had forgotten about their bloodlines. They certainly aren't "beeves" that's for sure.

Different critters, different cultures, different opinions.

Ain't the world grand!

Geno

PS I wonder if some on here know what other cultures think of our North American and USA culture in particular. I've heard there are some cultures that think we are weird because we choose to eat rotten milk (cheese and yogurt and such). Among other things.

Bull wins!

Watched a Mexican one on TV while in Mazatlan a couple years back.

i was pulling for the bull.. he lost. Won't watch another

The Super Bowl later in the day was more to my taste. IIRC, my team lost there too...

i should probably rent me out...

I always grab myself a Beer, and give the bull a salute when the bull wins..

Especially when it damages the bull"fighter" for life.

I kill things. As efficiently and cleanly as I can. Chit happens sometimes, and I feel bad. I don't torture an animal to death deliberately.

If that is "culture", I'll pass. At least the meat is used.

As to the argument that if it wasn't for bullfighting, the breed would be extinct? So what? Extinction is the rule, not the exception. 99% of everything that has ever lived is now extinct. Extinction as a "bad thing" is likely over-rated. It makes room for further succession.

We will be too, in time, and leave about as much mark as the fighting bulls, magnificent tho they are.

Same with PH Gibson and his bull.

but some emotional types would prefer others feel down in dumps like they do about it.
then you have people like Crapstick who went down to the bottle rather than a bull.



If a person shot and maimed a game animal for a purposeful slow death, tortured and tormented it and posted
the video on 24CF for entertainment purposes and gave a few high fives in celebration at the end , I wonder
what the bullfight defenders would say.




Interesting, so its about foolish heroics?...do you carry a blade or firearm for self preservation?....leaving the gun at home
and neutralising an attacker with just a blade would get you more respect.... just your bare hands even more respect.

It's interesting to me that you can appreciate the bulls for what they are, not care whether they go extinct or not, AND condemn bullfighting all at the same time.

Humans process things differently. Higher thought is not consistent.

I agree the extinction of a species does not matter. So it goes. I agree the insignificance of the human and the Spanish fighting bull will probably end up about the same in the end. I agree when I'm hunting there is no room for prolonging the chase or the pain or the death. Efficiency is my goal.

However, the corrida is not a hunt. It's not a slaughter. Therefore the rules of the hunt do not apply. The rules of a slaughter do not apply. It's different. You can't compare a bullfight to a beef slaughter or to an elk hunt, and expect to understand the bullfight.





Apples to testicles. We'd condemn it all the same, but we'd also understand there's a difference between the two. A corrida is not a hunt. A Spanish fighting bull is not a deer. A matador is not hunter.


Most people can't separate a bullfight from a hunt from a stock slaughter. There are profound differences. Shooting at and possibly injuring a free range, wild cervid with a rifle is not at all the similar to cornering a mostly wild, injured, enraged bovine that has been bred to be ruthless towards humans.There are some parallels and comparisons like bloodsport as Rockinbbar has pointed out etc but by and large if you are looking at a corrida with the expectations of a hunt or a slaughter you are going to be appalled. YOU aren't understanding a bullfight.

Kinda silly to condemn bullfighting there when the Kardashians are popular here.

Fighting bulls are the only animal deliberately breed to kill a man, and it is the mutual life or death struggle that makes the corrida captivating. While the pagan aspect provides the proper cultural reaction, the other phases, receiving the bull to kill 'recibiendo, being beautiful with the muleta, purity in the cape work give the sport an art found no where else.

I dunno, if I was offered a piece of ass from one or the other I'd be at an impasse (assuming a disease-free, prime Kardashian and a healthy bull). A couple beers, or lack thereof would probably be the deciding factor.

Man, this is so confusing

I didnt mention anything in my post about deer, hunt or hunter.
read again what I posted:

"If a person shot and maimed a game animal for a purposeful slow death, tortured and tormented it and posted
the video on 24CF for entertainment purposes and gave a few high fives in celebration at the end , I wonder
what the bullfight defenders would say."

1. purposeful maiming -
2. purposeful torture -
3.purposeful torement.-

how do you get the peabrain notion I was talking hunting/hunters out of that?




Sure I do , its purposely maiming, purposely torturing and purposely tormenting an animal
for entertainment purposes. and calling it a bullfight doesnt make it anymore acceptable
than doing it to a game animal, domestic animal, or slaughterhouse beast.

Lol. If you can't even understand your own semantics then we can't even have a conversation.

Again, You made mention of hunting and hunters not me.
I am simply talking about:

Purposeful maiming
Purposeful torture
Purposeful torment

wild, domestic or slaughter house animal, makes no difference.
It seems you are OK with that sort of thing as long as its in the form of 'bullfighting'.

maybe you also have a different name for wife beating. or poaching or drink driving
or robbery or pedophilia that makes it acceptable who knows.

So I suppose a pack of wolves eating a pregnant elk cow alive is ok. Fun times for the sporty wolves.

Perhaps you should consider changing your screen name to "Strawman", as in straw man arguments. You are pretty good at those.

You might have read about the ranches testing bulls. They'll take young bulls and put them in a ring to determine how brave they are. Those that pass are put into breeding. Those that fail are shot. Once one has been tested, he will never be put in the arena, at least not by the reputable ranchers. They learn too fast. During the testing, they will learn what they have to do to get the matador and they're too dangerous after that. Fighting a previously tested bull will get you killed. I don't doubt, though, that there are disreputable ranchers who are greedy enough to sell them to small town arenas.

You're right, that kind of thing ought to be outlawed.

Wolves should know better than to target a pregnant cow.

Yeah, Geno, it's almost funny sometimes, reading the bullheaded (pun most definitely intended!) posts of many of our compadres here on the 'Fire. Starman's screed this morning, for example: no real attempt to engage AZ's position at all, he simply asserts and reassert of what he believes as if that is a form of argument. Similar to the Monty Python "I'd Like To Have an Argument" sketch.

Again, most of the anti-bullfight members fail to see the self-contradiction in their position. They are conservative, if not outright libertarian... they want government (and anyone who disagrees with them, to be truthful) to butt out of their business, but they have no problem butting their big ol' noses into somebody else's, especially if it's some damn foreigner's business. Murica, y'know.

If I was the sort of feller who wishes for stuff (as opposed to working for stuff, which is mostly how I go), I'd wish we would revamp our education system to restore old-school subjects like Civics (which would address the rampant ignorance of philosophy and Rule of Law in our society), hard sciences (which would quash the global warmists and anti-vaxxers, etc), and History (not just American, but World History), which would reduce the need to try to explain historical, cultural context on the 'Fire.

But then the 'Fire would likely be a lot less entertaining...