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You have that VERY wrong! Heller clearly spelled out the meaning of the 2nd and the prep. clause... it defined the fact it is an individual right, there is NO argument now about what militia means! The absolute last thing needed or desired is allowing ANY changes.

You're correct... up until the time that another ruling comes down from SCOTUS changing the meaning.

Do you think Heller is forever? Nope. Just until there are enough liberals on the court to overrule it. There would be right now if Hillary had won. THAT'S how close we are.

Dude! While your math is fine, has it escaped you that the GOP controls the WH, House, and Senate and can't get crap done in a unified manner? I don't trust them in the states any more than in DC, and if they phouc up a CC we'd be doomed for eternity. No thanks!

So rather than fixing things, your choice is to be content to sit back and watch it continue to get worse - hopefully slowly, but with no trying to correct things because that introduces "risk"?

Thank goodness they didn't feel that way in 1776.

I'll go with the Convention. Both our states are already on board having passed resolutions to call for one, so I guess you'll just have to wait and see what happens. Maybe you can petition your state rep to try to boycott it if they succeed in calling one - but as I've said before, the chances of calling one is slim to none. The federal politicians have a history of caving under when faced with the possibility of states pushing amendments on them. They know their ability to pillage the treasury will be in danger if it ever happens, so the threat is enough to get them to behave for a few years.

How many federal politicians leave office being worth less than $1 million? Bet it's few and far between.. and the main danger to it is state's taking the power back.

It will be like the senate, nothing will happen when they have the chance,

No amendment to the Constitution is any better then the judges interpreting it.

When we loose the courts, we loose The Republic, regardless of anything in the Constitution or any other foundational document.

In the absence of the rule of law, you only possess those rights you can defend.

That is true to a large extent... but when the Supreme Court openly subverts the Constitution in an unambiguous way, that's a call for things to happen. The trick is to make sure that it's unambiguous in the Constitution.

I prefer our odds outside a convention to our odds inside one...It is a major event when the court reverses itself...

I don't support term limits.

If Americans want a certain person in a certain position they should be allowed to vote for that person indefinitely.

We get the government we deserve.




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Dave

as much as we all want to see that, it will never happen, such will bring civil war and there might be no more America.

Will not be done.

You mean like in 1971 when the Supreme Court ruled that same sex marriages were a state issue, and then in 2015 how same sex marriage was now a federal issue to be imposed on the states?

All of 44 years. Yay.

There is a big difference between a Constitutional Convention and a Convention of States.
A Constitutional Convention would be very dangerous and could result in the destruction of our American system of government.
This was all explained a couple of years ago by Mark Levin and Sarah Palin and I posted here.
We are not calling for a constitutional convention. We want a Convention of States.

A Convention of States is one of the two methods in Article 5 of our Constitution for proposing and ratifying amendments.
This does not have the power to propose a new Constitution or to change the Constitution.
An Article 5 convention would propose ideas for fixing our broken system -- a corrupt system caused by a Congress that can’t function.
A Convention of States only has the authority to propose amendments to the states to vote on.

This is called States Rights.
And thanks to the Tea Party mid-term elections we have enough states.
Get these terms right and know what the hell is being debated.

Agree with most of what you said, as I mentioned multiple times that any Amendments had to be ratified by 3/4ths of states just like a Senate proposed Amendment.

However, an Amendment by definition changes the Constitution. And there is no limit to how MUCH an amendment can change the Constitution.

Nothing crazy would come out of such a Convention, because there is no way you'd get 16 states fully controlled by Republicans to ratify it. Maybe in 100 years there will be enough Democrat states to push Amendments through, and that's fine.. that's how our country was built. But at this moment, the Republicans have the power to push through changes that we've been wanting for 100 years - or at least get a significant start on it. Not wanting to push those changes is EXACTLY the same thing that Republican politicians in Washington are guilty of - scared of change and happy with the status quo.

To sit back and whine about being scared of what "might" happen... cripes. We had FOUR Supreme Court justices vote against McDonald vs Chicago because even after Heller they refuse to accept that the 2nd Amendment applies to people. One more right then and Heller could have been overturned. We KNOW what will happen eventually, it's just a matter of a few decades before the Supreme Court likely has a liberal majority.

everything about the constitution is currently based upon interpretation, mostly by the courts but also by the other two branches having their impact on gov't, society and our ways of living.

noone who authored the constitution are now alive. only their thoughts live on, as interpreted by the powers that be.

change is inevitable. we've seen nothing but various rates of change since the ratification. nothing has changed in that regard, nor likely to do so.

if and when "progressives" capture the scotus, then we'll all be dead. and that means our descendents probably placed the progressives in power. change is a two-edged sword.