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I much prefer the .221 Fireball.


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There, you see, we have that in common. smile I've been shooting mine for about 25 years.


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Build yourself a 20 Vartarg with 1/11 twist barrel and use 40gr bullets! No recoil flat shooting easy on fur. Doesn't get much better!

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Originally Posted by okie john
As I've posted in another thread, I'm looking at getting into calling coyotes.

OF COURSE this means I'm in the market for a new rifle. Everything I have now is a 30-06 or 308, which will do for the time being, but I'd like for it to be a viable choice for deer also. 22 centerfires are illegal for big game in Washington, so I'm thinking 243, 6.5 Creedmoor, or 7-08 moving light bullets at warp speed.

Or should I just handload a super-light .308" bullet in an existing rifle?

Thoughts?


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John, in the 308 between 49-52g of Win 748 with a 125g Nosler BT simply drills bug holes, switch out to the 125g Accubond for deer. Varget also works in this combo. Speer makes a 130g TNT that is more explosive than the 125g Nosler that we found to be amazingly accurate, just detonates coyotes.

Don't forget the 125g Nosler Accubond, they kill deer very, very well.

Stay familiar with the same rifle, buy more components, and perhaps a custom barrel. Switching barrels is very easy, no kidding.

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Thanks for all of the tips. Headed home for Thanksgiving, but will return to this in earnest upon my return.


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If Montana had a standing army, a 270 Win with Federal Blue Box 130's would be the standard issue.
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There, you see, we have that in common. smile I've been shooting mine for about 25 years.



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Shot one once out the kitchen window at 0500. We had rented a farmhouse several miles out of town and with no near neighbors. A coyote trotted by about 200 yards out one summer morning. I was having coffee and getting ready for work. I didn't give it much thought, just opened the window, rested the Swift over the sill and let fly. My sleeping wife wasn't at all impressed with the shot. Go figure. Women can be funny sometimes.


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We lived on a cattle ranch for a few years, and the owner had a spot 104 measured yards from my kitchen window where he would drag dead critters and leave them in winter. Coyotes would sometimes eat a whole Hereford cow in 3-4 days. 5-7 coyotes on a dead beef was a normal morning and I think 9 was the most I saw there at one time. I would lay on our kitchen counter with the window open and shoot a coyote now and then with my heavy barrelled 6mm. Home entertainment system.

If you poke the muzzle well outside the noise isn't too bad inside the house. If the muzzle is inside the window, the noise is magnified. Our bedroom was on the opposite side of the house and my wife put up with the occasional noise.



I used to do the same thing except to draw magpies in. I'd leave a skinned coyote carcass about 50 yards out from the garage and use a 22 to snipe them. I only killed three birds the first winter and after that they wouldn't go near the carcass. Smart birds.The next year I moved it out to 200 and used the Swift or a 222. They still smartened up after three or four.

I did have the muzzle outside the window on the coyote shot but it was midsummer in eastern Washington with no AC. All the windows were open including the one next to our bed.



Yep, back during Desert Storm I had a deer carcass in a field corner about 170 yards from the house. One morning while getting ready for work I looked out and saw a coyote on the bait. Slid open the kitchen door and put him down with the old M99 250-3000 using 75 gr Sierra hp. The angle of the shot put the barrel at an extreme angle to the house, right back by the daughters bedroom. Thought Saddam had invaded there for awhile.

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My first coyote rifle was a 220 Swift and 55 gr bullets. Works great, but then the hogs moved into my area (central TX), so I moved up to the next size I had, which was a 260. Nosler 100gr BTs were the bullet of choice, but then I decided (testing, so to speak) that the 120 gr BTs were better on hogs and deer and just as good on coyotes.

But, just for coyote shooting, that 40 gr Nosler BT is amazing in my 223. Love that little bullet, but it isn’t very effective on hogs, and i’m Not shooting a deer with it. It will, however, put a coyote down so fast that you might think you missed. All I can figure is that the bullet dumps all its energy in the coyote, and not in the dirt on the hill behind the coyote.

For the OP, based on my 260 shooting, i’d Get the 6.5 Creedmore. So many bullet choices.

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Originally Posted by Prwlr
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I wonder how many die hard predator callers use a Remington 788 in 22-250


I don't but do use a 788 in 6mm with 75 VMax.


I use a 788 triple-deuce, many a dog with that rifle.


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Originally Posted by Okanagan
With the parameters of legal for deer in WA, factory loads and no need to save fur, I'd go .243 or 25-06 with a 2-7 scope mounted as low as possible. The low mount is to keep the bullet path as close to line of sight as possible for medium range and close shots through small holes in your wet coastal brush. 2-7 gives a pretty good sight picture from close to more than 300 yards for the open clear cuts. Once in awhile a coyote will be too close to focus on with 2 power but they die the same when blurry. For factory coyote bullets with no concern for fur I'd go with light, fast and frangible.

If you are a long ranger, make it a 6.5 Creed with a 6-18 or higher 50 or 56 mm scope with a bipod-- and kick the close ones. laugh

Added: as said by others, start calling now with the .308 rather than wait for a more specialized rifle. It is prime time to call, with naïve young adults just now blundering about on their own. It was my experience shooting coyotes with 30-30, .22 and 30-06 that led to my choice of a heavy barreled 6mm for coyotes that would also be good for deer. It is.


Okie, years ago I lived in Vanderhoof. A 6mm Rem is what everyone used for Coyotes, and their bigger brothers, the wolf.

It's funny that you mention shooting out the window. I had a rancher friend in the Vanderhoof area. Lived about 50 km south of town in the bush. They did the same thing with the exception that they had built a "tree house" to shoot from. Took a lot of fur that way.


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If you are not saving fur then your options are wide open. suppose next question is where will you be finding your shot opportunities. Will your shots be close or far and will there be others to be considerate of in regards to muzzle blast & ricochets bullets. My first coyote this year was taken w my deer rifle a 6.5 Grendel bolt action at 50 yards or so. I have been very partial to the 6.5 Grendel for Going on 3 years now. Quietest lowest recoil outfit I have used yet that is very adiquit for everything up to deer sized game.




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Your 30-06 and 308 with 130 gr or 110gr HPs will work beautifully. If you ass-end a runner the big caliber HPs will turn him inside out. That way you will be more proficient for deer. Next in line would be a 243. Thirdly get an accurate AR that shoots 1MOA and use 55-65gr bullets that won't splash on a shoulder hit.


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Any updates from the OP?


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6.5 Creedmoor, you can deer hunt with it also.

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Legal there, and viable for deer & up - 243 or 6mm is a good place to be.
If deer were out, 223, 22-250, are good choices - although I have a great fondness for 204 smile (it's in my truck most of the year)


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