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What good or noble thing can only be accomplished by a Christian?

Scripture says dead sinners simply sleep in the grave, till they be risen from the grave cometh judgement time.
NO knowledge, consciousness or awareness of anything as I understand it.

(Eclesiastes 9:10)
" Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom,
in the grave, whither thou goest".

(Eclessiastes 9:5)
"For the living know that they will die; But the dead know nothing, And they have no more reward,
For the memory of them is forgotten.


Jesus describes a dead Lazarus as being 'asleep'.(John 11:11-15)

That depends if we are talking OT or NT. Hell, or infinite punishment for a finite crime was not introduced until "gentle Jesus, meek and mild". Just another one of those inconvenient contradictions.

Unfortunately many christians confuse Hell/Hades with the lake of fire and an eternal punishment at judgement time,
yet they are not the same thing.

Revelations 20:14-15

14 "And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death."
15 "And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."


So, even the wicked humans thrust into the lake will not be tortured & tormented for eternity, rather
scripture indicates they will receive a final 'second death' and as result shall perish,vanish, be no more,
(ie; be total destroyed)...Logic & reason would indicate if one is non-existent due to having been totally
obliterated, there cannot be eternal torment to follow.

The only ones thrust into the fire for eternal torment are these three:

Revelations 20:10
" And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are,
and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever."

So, do you believe that any Christian who has sinned against God will be blotted out of His book....... or are you just a COT?

Uh, leading other great humans out of the clutches of death and to eternal life?

If scripture shows anywhere that the supreme God the father cannot exercise his divine option to blot any
christian sinner out off his Book, please reference the verse.

You and many other self proclaimed christians have no real idea if you even appear in the Book in the first place.
Theres nothing you can do to find out if you are in the Book , nor is there anything you can do to get yourself qualified
to be added to the Book, since it has all been long pre-determined by God.

God is not mandatorily required to offer his grace to any sinner, hence he can withhold it from anyone and everyone
in the Book, if he so wishes. Sinners have no claim or entitlement on Gods grace. According to God, the only thing
from God that all sinners truly deserve, is his wrath.

In the parable of the rich man and Lazarus, (another Lazarus I guess) he also states that the rich man is in "torment", and that a chasm separated the souls in "Abraham's bosom" vs those in hell, or the grave, or whatever you want to call it. Seems it was pretty hot as the rich man asked Lazarus to bring him some water to "cool his tongue as he was in agony in this fire". Evidently from this picture, we see two compartments in what is called sheol or "the grave". So in theory, a guy headed in the wrong direction at death could very well see what is traditionally called "hell".

Sinners do very well have a "claim or entitlement" to God's grace.....the blood of Jesus the Messiah which was shed for them. The entire New Testament stands in stark contrast to your twisted interpretation. Rather than cherry pick one scripture in an attempt to argue with someone who doesn't know which end is up, I suggest you start reading at Matthew 1:1 and keep going until you get to the end of the book.

Didn’t answer the question eh? You clearly do not understand the Word of God and are simply grabbing verses from here and there without having any idea of what they mean.

You also make numerous declarative statements that are devoid of meaning. Really, just non sequiturs. Psalm 36:2 is for you.

COT?

Here are a more for you: Psalm 56:5

You may want to look at: Proverbs 2:11-12

Or even Isaiah 5:21

You must be a Huguenot.There is no book on who gets in or not.If in your heart you accept Christ as your Savior accept The Trinity and accept you are a sinner and reform(that is what is required).Saying the words if in your soul you really don`t know, well means nothing.

First, for Starman the difference is body and spirit. And for AS, while the OT is perhaps not as defining, and typically not as familiar, as the New, God's wrath as a fire decending to the lowest hell in Deuteronomy 32:22 and everlasting burning in Isaiah 33:14 precede and agree with the admonitions of the Risen Lord as yet another inconvenient Truth he should consider reconciling prior to experiencing.

Ricky,

Where Deuteronomy was written post Babylonian Exile I interpreted the events in the story you quotes as God visiting his wrath upon the Jews following the new Zoroastrian beliefs. It describes God raining arrows upon them and burning their fields and fire consuming entire mountains. The intensity of this fire is further emphasized by it "burning to the greatest depths of hell". So when taken in content, God is just really mad and will send the hoards to burn everything.

As for Isaiah 32, again there's discussion about the destruction of Lebanon and Sharon and contrasting what leads to destruction vs. fields of plenty.

Again, in contest, these passage like most of the OT focuses on prosperity and sorrow in this life, not the next, where the NT focuses more on the NEXT life.

So nothing in this life??

Interesting little thread. I do find it interesting that the title was "For believers only" and immeadiately all the non-believers start chiming in. I'm reminded of when the disciples came to Jesus about the Pharisee's and he simply said "leave them alone, if the blind lead the blind they both fall into the pit".