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I'm loading mine with the 70-grain Hornady GMX seated close to the lands, and it feeds pretty well. But am guessing it would feed even better if it was a .22-250 Improved, since the 6.5 Creedmoor is essentially a 6.5/.250 Improved, and my RAR Predator 6.5 Creed feeds really well, with either the magazine it came with, or the one from the .22-250. But the tapered case of the .22-250 can indeed cause feeding problems even in other rifles with magazines designed for straighter-sided cases like the .243/.308.
Out of curiosity just checked the four websites where I order most of my reloading supplies. Turns out all had 6mm Remington brass, but only two had .223 WSSM's. Hornady's making both now, however, so real shortages of either shouldn't be common.
One of the reasons the WSSM's didn't do so well is they required special Browning or Winchester bolt actions, while the .22-250 and .22-6mm will work in any common action. The .22-6mm I had was built on a long 700 action, so had LOTS of room for bullet seating, yet fed perfectly without any tweaking of the standard magazine.
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Great information. Thanks all Most bang for your buck is an 8" or faster twisted 22-250. The Ruger American gets you there but you're going to struggle getting the UBER high BC bullets in that itty-bitty mag. That’s been one of the bigger takeaways from this thread so far, even if I was still trying to figure it all out. Thanks. There’s also the 22 Nosler, the AR15 factor (that I don’t care about), the rebranding of the 6mm by some loud group from Texas (never been too interested in those) the old 220swift rehash, and the new nonexistent 22 Creedmoor, among others. Maybe I need to go up in caliber instead of down? But it sure is fun, in any case. Pun intended Thanks for everyone’s replies. It’s interesting stuff
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How about a 22-06?
Sort of the .22 Newton 100 years later.
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How about a 22-06?
Sort of the .22 Newton 100 years later. I’m almost old enough to remember those old sabot accelerator loads. What ever happened to those?
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I'm loading mine with the 70-grain Hornady GMX seated close to the lands, and it feeds pretty well. But am guessing it would feed even better if it was a .22-250 Improved, since the 6.5 Creedmoor is essentially a 6.5/.250 Improved, and my RAR Predator 6.5 Creed feeds really well, with either the magazine it came with, or the one from the .22-250. But the tapered case of the .22-250 can indeed cause feeding problems even in other rifles with magazines designed for straighter-sided cases like the .243/.308.
Out of curiosity just checked the four websites where I order most of my reloading supplies. Turns out all had 6mm Remington brass, but only two had .223 WSSM's. Hornady's making both now, however, so real shortages of either shouldn't be common.
One of the reasons the WSSM's didn't do so well is they required special Browning or Winchester bolt actions, while the .22-250 and .22-6mm will work in any common action. The .22-6mm I had was built on a long 700 action, so had LOTS of room for bullet seating, yet fed perfectly without any tweaking of the standard magazine. The demise of Winchester/USRA didn't help the WSSM's cause. Nor did the numerous internet rumors about the 223 WSSM bores being shot out quickly, despite being chrome lined, and other rumors about the bores being over-sized because they weren't chrome lined, blamed on poor QC.
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How about a 22-06?
Sort of the .22 Newton 100 years later. I’m almost old enough to remember those old sabot accelerator loads. What ever happened to those? I have a box of those around somewhere, saw it a couple of months about when I sold 50 boxes of yellow box 284 125 grain ammo.
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How about a 22-06?
Sort of the .22 Newton 100 years later. I’m almost old enough to remember those old sabot accelerator loads. What ever happened to those? I have a box of those around somewhere, saw it a couple of months about when I sold 50 boxes of yellow box 284 125 grain ammo. I hadn’t honestly expected anyone to admit to owning them in this crowd. Lol
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How about a 22-06?
Sort of the .22 Newton 100 years later. I’m almost old enough to remember those old sabot accelerator loads. What ever happened to those? I have a box of those around somewhere, saw it a couple of months about when I sold 50 boxes of yellow box 284 125 grain ammo. I hadn’t honestly expected anyone to admit to owning them in this crowd. Lol I purchase a lot of odd stuff. I used to purchase the the sporting goods inventories of rural hardware stores that were going out of business, so you got a lot of the stuff that they couldn't sell, no matter how deeply discounted it was. I think that I must have 100 sets of NIB Weaver lens caps in black/yellow boxes somewhere in the storage unit.
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I figured deflave would opt for the 224 Clark....
One thing to point out, if building a torch it helps a little to use a cartridge with a long neck to preserve the throat a little better. Most of these cartridges have long necks.
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So far I am loving my little .22 Creedmoor. Yes,I realize its not much different than a 22-250 AI.....but thats not really a bad thing, right?
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I'm loading mine with the 70-grain Hornady GMX seated close to the lands, and it feeds pretty well. But am guessing it would feed even better if it was a .22-250 Improved, since the 6.5 Creedmoor is essentially a 6.5/.250 Improved, and my RAR Predator 6.5 Creed feeds really well, with either the magazine it came with, or the one from the .22-250. But the tapered case of the .22-250 can indeed cause feeding problems even in other rifles with magazines designed for straighter-sided cases like the .243/.308.
Out of curiosity just checked the four websites where I order most of my reloading supplies. Turns out all had 6mm Remington brass, but only two had .223 WSSM's. Hornady's making both now, however, so real shortages of either shouldn't be common.
One of the reasons the WSSM's didn't do so well is they required special Browning or Winchester bolt actions, while the .22-250 and .22-6mm will work in any common action. The .22-6mm I had was built on a long 700 action, so had LOTS of room for bullet seating, yet fed perfectly without any tweaking of the standard magazine. Yeah I can load the 75gr. HPBT in it but not the A-Max. I really had to stuff those A-Maxes deep so I gave up on the idea. I should have bought a WSSM back when they were giving them away. Every time I look at load data for one my eyes light up. Travis
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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Every time a WSSM comes up for sale, I almost pull the trigger.....for the exact same reasons as you.
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I found mine at Capital Sports (where else?) on the used rack. It's the stainless Model 70 with a synthetic stock, and the price was pretty decent. I decided to bring my borescope back and check out the barrel, and it turned out to be in decent shape. Ingwe was still working there then, and offered me an even better deal--on the condition that I never, ever bring the rifle back to the store.
Turned out it wouldn't shoot, groups averaging around 3 inches at 100 yards. I tried every bedding and handloading trick I know, and still no go. Sent it to Charlie Sisk for rebarreling with a Lilja, and he reported the threads on the factory barrel were so loose that was probably the problem. Dunno if that occurred with many other WSSM rifles, but it might have. The Lilja shoots great.
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Anybody interested in a 22-6mm shot me a message. My father had one made using a Remington 700 BDL long action. He passed before he could break in the barrel. I positive it has less than 10 rounds down the barrel. I think the barrel is a Hart heavy barrel . It has a 1 in 8 twist. Let me know if anyone has any interest in rifle.
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I've owned/used the 22-250 Ackley fast twist with Hornady 68 OTM, regular 220 Swift with 55gr Trophy Bonded, and the 22/6mm ( .224 TTH) with both the 64gr WW and the 75 Swift Scirocco. All were good killers on hogs, mule deer and Blackbuck antelope. I stopped hunting coyotes like I did and my travels to Texas slowed down a lot, so don't own a hot .22 anymore. My SIL has my Bushmaster Predator AR in .223 and I had given him a tricked out Remington Varminter in 22-250. I have access to those when I go prairie dog shooting. I was amazed at how flat shooting the hot .22s were, and the heavier bullets/fast twist sure bucked the wind well. Surprising really.
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