|
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 37,751
Campfire 'Bwana
|
OP
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 37,751 |
As it turned out, I shoulda kept two
"...if the gentlemen of Virginia shall send us a dozen of their sons, we would take great care in their education, instruct them in all we know, and make men of them." Canasatego 1744
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 4,648
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 4,648 |
My Springfield 30-40 Krag has a peep.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 37,751
Campfire 'Bwana
|
OP
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 37,751 |
OMG.... Ballistics in Scotland!!!! Anyone else remember this gentleman? Worked in Saudi..... I know he was around twenty years back on the Shooterstalk Forum, Here he is on the topic of aperture sights on Enfields.... http://castboolits.gunloads.com/archive/index.php/t-278356.htmlGood they are, particularly the Mk I sight.
From what I can tell, I do believe though that the British Pattern 13 (circa 1912) and the Pattern 14 (circa 1914) rifles led the way with a good aperture sight. The US 1917 derivative of the P14 also used the same sight, but calibrated for the US 30/06 ball round of 1906.
The British were certainly ahead of the rest of the world as far as rifle sights went in the first 40 years or so of the 20th Century with their early adoption of aperture sights placed on the receiver bridge. The US caught up in a hurry though with the design of the M1 Garand rear sight.
I think that is true, and the military aperture sight originates with the P13 trials rifle. There were problems of flash, noise, metallic fouling and erosion with its large .276 cartridge, but they have been long since overcome with rifles like the 7mm. Remington Magnum, and could have been overcome sooner if some idiot hadn't started a war, which made a change of cartridge undesirable. Whether anybody in the world has ever needed a better long-range cartridge than the .30-06 is very doubtful, though. It was a reaction to the Boer War of 1899, and nobody has ever fought another war in which the infantry rifle was the dominant weapon.
The No4 Lee-Enfield rear sight is less well protected than the P13, P14 and M1917 versions, between the receiver "ears". But Parker-Hale and Alfred J Parker made accessory micrometer windage slide to clip onto the No.4 version, and accept screw-in discs. They still appear (not cheaply unfortunately) on eBay.
"...if the gentlemen of Virginia shall send us a dozen of their sons, we would take great care in their education, instruct them in all we know, and make men of them." Canasatego 1744
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 37,751
Campfire 'Bwana
|
OP
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 37,751 |
From that same thread, sig line material.....
Careful if you are having a peeing match. Sometimes the wind changes, and it blows back on you.
"...if the gentlemen of Virginia shall send us a dozen of their sons, we would take great care in their education, instruct them in all we know, and make men of them." Canasatego 1744
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 15,289
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 15,289 |
My Springfield 30-40 Krag has a peep. Mine also, had it when I was a kid, it's been gone for about 60 years now.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 31,559
Campfire 'Bwana
|
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 31,559 |
My Springfield 30-40 Krag has a peep. Mine also, had it when I was a kid, it's been gone for about 60 years now. Like this one? The 1901 sight.
Founder Ancient Order of the 1895 Winchester
"Come, shall we go and kill us venison? And yet it irks me the poor dappled fools, Being native burghers of this desert city, Should in their own confines with forked heads Have their round haunches gored."
WS
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 25,682
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 25,682 |
My Springfield 30-40 Krag has a peep. Mine also, had it when I was a kid, it's been gone for about 60 years now. Like this one? The 1901 sight. Is this the Buffington sight? I have my FIL's old deer rifle in the safe. The receiver is marked "Remington model 1903" in 30-06 of course. It has this exact sight. I have shot it well at 200 yds. Plenty good enough to split a military helmet at that range and a good deal further. But it still pales when compared to the Lee Enfield JC with the precise ladder sight mounted on the rear receiver bridge.
People who choose to brew up their own storms bitch loudest about the rain.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 1,202
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 1,202 |
It was the Canadian Ross.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 10,324
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 10,324 |
My first peep sight was on a Daisy 25 BB gun in 1961, but they had been producing them since 1917.
There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self. -Ernest Hemingway The man who makes no mistakes does not usually make anything.-- Edward John Phelps
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 1,202
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 1,202 |
My Springfield 30-40 Krag has a peep. Mine also, had it when I was a kid, it's been gone for about 60 years now. Peeps on Krags are aftermarket.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 7,127
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 7,127 |
Not if you count the Buffington sight as a peep. GD
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 1,202
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 1,202 |
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 2,184
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 2,184 |
Watching a guy take a snap shot at a German with his No.1 Enfield in the movie “1917”....
Birdy, Not really an answer to your question, but my uncle Glen was up in the area near Hurtgen in the rugged and forested terrain just before the Battle of the Bulge (which he fought in), he said they had lots of skirmishes and he really hated the peep on the Garand. His concept of the ideal sights for snap shooting would have been the old Winchester buckhorn rear with a big gold dot front. He felt that the buckhorn was accurate enough for the close range, snap shots they were forced to take. He did love that the Garand was a semi-auto. He said that the rate of fire could pin down an enemy long enough to do them real harm.
“My horn is full and my pouch is stocked with ball and patch. There is a new, sharp flint in my lock and my rifle and I are ready. It is sighted true and my eyes can still aim.” Kaywoodie
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 15,457
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 15,457 |
I was thinking trapdoor Springfield as someone mentioned above.
NRA Life,Endowment,Patron or Benefactor since '72.
|
|
|
362 members (280shooter, 204guy, 29aholic, 10gaugemag, 1beaver_shooter, 16penny, 44 invisible),
2,256
guests, and
1,093
robots. |
Key:
Admin,
Global Mod,
Mod
|
|
Forums81
Topics1,187,724
Posts18,400,599
Members73,822
|
Most Online11,491 Jul 7th, 2023
|
|
|
|