Ok I used the Otis rip coard and I kinda prefer it to the bore snake ...they both work and clean about the same but the rip coard I can use while sitting in my little turkey chair..and save standing up and feeding the rope all the way down...the rip coard pulls through easier...shot about 600 rds of 223 and 250 of 222 and didn't have to hike back to the truck...