I ran the hornady 300's with harvester crush ribs over 65 grains of AA2015. About an inch and a half at 100 yds. Optimum is supposed to be 67-69 grains, so I'll see what happens as I work it up. The crush ribs loaded pretty easy with .458's. Recoil went from mild with .250's over 5744 to pretty sharp with the 300's over 2015.