DD, thanks, may have to look into that. ONly down side, they are not prefrag and don't work as well as Iv'e done the wolf stuff as I had some left over from rimfire AR days... Plain old subsonic stuff I have a fair stash of, enough to likely last my life. May have to go the route my buddy did, buy the form dies and HP the wolf stuff...
Dink- gunbroker likely, something like 60 for a brick maybe?
I googled the slower ones to get the number, then did a search and ordered some.
Normal CCI quiets show up at the Walmart fairly often. I don't buy them because they are not prefrag