Originally Posted by APDDSN0864
Originally Posted by JGray
...If I were to pick one bullet for all of them (of the molds I currently have), the Lyman 457121PH (475 gr.), Lyman 457193 (405 gr.) or Lyman 457643 (400 gr.) all would work. The 457121PH and 457193 don't have a crimp groove but can be crimped in the top lube groove or over the top of the top driving band for the lever action. The 457643 was designed for lever actions and has a crimp groove. It also has a larger meplat which some feel make it a better hunting bullet....


Depending on the alloy, the current run of Lyman 457121PH molds throw diameters closer to .455 than .457/.458. I load mine in a Sharps with Holy Black, so they bump up quite nicely at 20:1. The old Lyman 457121 threw .457/.458 with that alloy.

]BTW, I'm not putting down the 457121PH, it's my all-time favorite bullet in my Sharps and will kill anything that walks the Earth.

If I were going to shoot one in both rifles using smokeless, I'd load up the 457193 and go kill stuff.

Ed


Been shooting lots of PH and 193's lately in my '86 Win 45/90 via BP and Blackhorn 209. The 121 is just fine on top of holy black but not so good with the BP substitute BH 209 or smokeless which incidentally shoots like crap.

The 193 does require a healthy crimp over the last driving band for OAL and proper feeding for the lever gun...I recently acquired the Lyman 643 with its shorter nose profile and crimp groove which shoots lights out.This will be my go to for the '86 Winchester since the design originally was made for the '86.

Hardly shoot greasers in the Sharps anymore just PP all the way with big hunks of smoothies doing what they do best.. grin

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