I don't have either of the 2 you mentioned but I do have the guide jacket and it is rated water resistant but shed water very good during 3 days of rain in our 2015 Missouri deer season.

I am 6'2" and hunt at 205 to 210 lbs and had to send the XL guid jacket back because is fit ultra tight.

I have the 2X now and can wear a couple thin layers under it but no doubt couldn't get a puffer under it.

Kuiu must cut their clothing very very small because I don't own any 2X anything other than the jacket of theirs.

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