I was blessed with a batch of 180 gr E Tips from a old friend of Shrapnel's. Tried getting them to shoot from my old Remington and had fits, just terrible. Then sometime this past winter read where shooters were seating their VLD's deeper and getting good accuracy . Just a few weeks back I got out the E Tips and got to loading again. Bottom line was, in my rifle, bullets touch lands at OAL of 3.392, accuracy became quite good when seated down to 3.310. 7/8" out of my over fifty year old 725 is about as good as I get. In this shooting of around 90 rounds I did notice that I found 8 or 9 "bananas" in the dirt backstop. All other bullets recovered were perfect little mushrooms. Add me to the seat em deep crowd for these bullets. Load is 53 grains of 4350. Hope to test these on bear next week.