I went to Gander Mountain this afternoon, but they had none of the above that I mentioned. That's the problem I have with actually looking through them. I may drive 80 miles to Cabela's soon and see what they have. I've bought some Minox from Cameraland and didn't care for them either, but I may accept the invitation to give them a call tomorrow. And, I have done some research on the Tract optics and will give them some consideration. Thanks for the input so far.