I'm with Grasshopper on that one. I have a H&R Buffalo Classic that I got pretty seriously hammered by just this past week. It is a 45-70, and with 405 gr Remmys and a case full of Benchmark, ten shots was enough. That colour case hardened butt platedoes NOTHING to soften the blow. Coupled with a large amount of drop in the butt stock, it lets meknow I've touched one off. A 405 gr at 1950 - 2000 fps ought to put the hurt on more than just the shooter.
