I appreciate the input. Then the question becomes where to get them? Just general junk here locally, so I suppose a call to the manufacturer off the Internet is my next step. Lots of coon trapping You Tube stuff on the Internet because they are hard to hold and hard on a live trap. Too large a box trap for rabbits though.

My other auto is a .45

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